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Heroin The use of other drugs to get off heroin

Erik b

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I was recently speaking to someone, he stated he used meth to get off heroin a few times. He claimed he locked himself in a room with enough of it for 5 days and came out good as new. I personally have never liked speed, however if this claim is true it could be very helpful. Since I spoke to him I kind of pushed it off as nonsense. Until 4 days ago, a friend who hasn't done crack for about 15 yrs tried some. Since that day he has been buying a pack with his heroin daily because he said he's literally using about 1/3 of the amount of heroin he normally uses. So that would seem the first guy may be in to something. I know my friend very well and if he was just using 1/3 his normal he'd be puking. So the crack had to be doing something. I personally haven't used crack in over 20 yrs, and again only used speed a couple times. So both would be low tolerance. Has anyone else used a similar method? I just can't see how any of that can stop the withdrawal. For me it comes on very heavy at this point, don't want to say what my dailys are, but high is an understatement. 12 hrs I feel like crap, 18 hrs I have the double vision and heavy head really bad. 24 hrs I'm nauseous, limbs feel like they weight a ton, by 36 hrs I'm violently puking. Depending on how I was eating, I sometimes also have diarrhea. The vomit is the number 1 for me, plus the pain since I started using after leaving a pain clinic. I've had 13 back surgeries. Still I'll deal with the pain for a clean slate. I just really need to get through those 5 days of vomitting in a better state. The best I've made it in the last 9 years is to day 4. And could take it anymore. And FYI Suboxone for some reason doesn't work with me. I have tried many times with the doctors help at the clinic to do induction . We tried 2 hr intervals each time. So we took the first at 8 hrs, then next time 10 hrs, and so on up to 48 hrs and each time it makes me way sicker than I already was. It also adds an insane body anxiety that I don't get without it. He said we may have to try methadone, but the daily dose at the clinic really turns me off. Sorry for such a long post, but if this is truly a viable option is possibly a life saver, literally. Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this, I hope to read you comments and experiences
 

Opieguy12

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Yes this can work ..has worked for swim in the past nd am currently using crack to lower my dosage of H..started yesterday nd so far am doing half the dose of H as before...one keyy point it has to be good crack that makes yu feel calm and numb ..speedy stuff wud do more damage than good..but anytime swim needs to cut his dosage he usually turns to crack for a few days to help him out...again,,,MUST be good stuff!
 

JTemperance

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This is a time-honored junkie tradition going back many decades, but I do think there's something to it.

I've seen a few detox regimens from respected doctors that include conservative doses of one stimulant or another (methylphenidate, dextroamphetamine, modafinil) for at least some portion of the kick, usually towards the end when the worst physical symptoms are over but lethargy and fatigue are an issue. So I think there's probably some objective basis for the cautious use of stimulants in people who can tolerate them without terrible anxiety or comedowns.

Personally, I have found that taking amphetamine in my medium-high range (~25mg d-amp) substantially reduces my withdrawal symptoms while it's working, provided I'm not in full-blown withdrawal, and improves my mood greatly. Since restlessness is already a problem, it sometimes feels better to just run with it. I also find it is good to pair with gabapentin/pregabalin, which greatly reduce withdrawal symptoms and also have a stimulating effect on me. It does tend to aggravate the diarrhea, though, so loperamide (in regular therapeutic doses) is necessary.

The comedown is, of course, more unpleasant than it would be outside of opiate withdrawal, but I haven't found it too unmanageable except when staying up for too long from the combination of withdrawal insomnia and amphetamine use. So avoiding the temptation to redose is crucial, I think. Personally, I wouldn't take more than a mild dose of any stimulant if I didn't have some kind of sedative drugs on hand -- at a minimum, clonidine (the classic withdrawal aid) plus the gabapentin/pregabalin mentioned above, but ideally a benzo as well. (It's also much more palatable if you are on some kind of opiate taper and take your main dose for the day during the comedown.)

Unfortunately, I've learned first-hand that it's all too easy to end up replacing the opiate addiction you are supposedly kicking with a new upper/downer habit that is even more of a problem, especially if you rediscover your taste for alcohol along the way.

It seems like cocaine/crack would be especially difficult to use for this purpose in a responsible way. Methamphetamine would probably be easier to control, but only if you take low doses (by mouth or nose) and don't spin yourself out too much, since IMO the emotional comedown is worse than with amphetamine/Adderall and it's longer-acting, so sleep deprivation and soul-crushing comedowns are more of a risk.
 

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP

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This is a time-honored junkie tradition going back many decades, but I do think there's something to it.

I've seen a few detox regimens from respected doctors that include conservative doses of one stimulant or another (methylphenidate, dextroamphetamine, modafinil) for at least some portion of the kick, usually towards the end when the worst physical symptoms are over but lethargy and fatigue are an issue. So I think there's probably some objective basis for the cautious use of stimulants in people who can tolerate them without terrible anxiety or comedowns.

Personally, I have found that taking amphetamine in my medium-high range (~25mg d-amp) substantially reduces my withdrawal symptoms while it's working, provided I'm not in full-blown withdrawal, and improves my mood greatly. Since restlessness is already a problem, it sometimes feels better to just run with it. I also find it is good to pair with gabapentin/pregabalin, which greatly reduce withdrawal symptoms and also have a stimulating effect on me. It does tend to aggravate the diarrhea, though, so loperamide (in regular therapeutic doses) is necessary.

The comedown is, of course, more unpleasant than it would be outside of opiate withdrawal, but I haven't found it too unmanageable except when staying up for too long from the combination of withdrawal insomnia and amphetamine use. So avoiding the temptation to redose is crucial, I think. Personally, I wouldn't take more than a mild dose of any stimulant if I didn't have some kind of sedative drugs on hand -- at a minimum, clonidine (the classic withdrawal aid) plus the gabapentin/pregabalin mentioned above, but ideally a benzo as well. (It's also much more palatable if you are on some kind of opiate taper and take your main dose for the day during the comedown.)

Unfortunately, I've learned first-hand that it's all too easy to end up replacing the opiate addiction you are supposedly kicking with a new upper/downer habit that is even more of a problem, especially if you rediscover your taste for alcohol along the way.

It seems like cocaine/crack would be especially difficult to use for this purpose in a responsible way. Methamphetamine would probably be easier to control, but only if you take low doses (by mouth or nose) and don't spin yourself out too much, since IMO the emotional comedown is worse than with amphetamine/Adderall and it's longer-acting, so sleep deprivation and soul-crushing comedowns are more of a risk.
Also another problem with stim use is weight loss. You're already going to be struggling to eat from the withdrawal... make sure you force yourself to consume food lol. Otherwise, people will question why you lost 10 pounds in a week.

Your heart is already going to be stressed from the withdrawal symptoms. So I don't recommend coke/crack. I mean, I can't ever recommend crack though for anything. Lyrica/gabapentin DEF helps noticably. Cocaine affects the heart a lot more haphazardly than amphetamines. I believe because it causes the heart to pump more while restricting blood flow to the heart itself.

Honestly meth is highly addicting in its own right and some people struggle with that addiction more than heroin that's for sure. As long as you're not intending to replace one addiction for another (which addicts notoriously do), if you actually have discipline whatever helps pass the horrid times by. Stims during wd are a double edged sword. The crash is totally awful at some points unbearable, but the up makes things feel okay. You really just have to get past the first week.. of course symptoms last longer than that, but the horrible part is sooner than later.

I don't think it's HR to smoke a lot of meth to get past the withdrawal lol, I'm sorry I'm being a kill-joy.
 
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Erik b

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It all sound viable. First if I had amazing self control I wouldn't be a 15 yr addict. My saving grace there is I hate speed and always have. I've got to be honest and say in response to your comment about never being able to recommend crack, free baseing coke in any form is a much purer way to take cocaine. Yes it's more addictive, but you are also not getting all the crazy cuts that these idiots are dumping into the garbage they call coke these days. If I was buying from a person I don't have a great relationship with, I'd trust thier crack over their coke any day
 

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP

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It all sound viable. First if I had amazing self control I wouldn't be a 15 yr addict. My saving grace there is I hate speed and always have. I've got to be honest and say in response to your comment about never being able to recommend crack, free baseing coke in any form is a much purer way to take cocaine. Yes it's more addictive, but you are also not getting all the crazy cuts that these idiots are dumping into the garbage they call coke these days. If I was buying from a person I don't have a great relationship with, I'd trust thier crack over their coke any day
Alright haha. I wasn't trying to be snarky at all though. It's just I've never met someone who smoked crack who didn't want to continue smoking alot more crack. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think meth is a better choice for getting past opiate withdrawal. The feeling has way longer legs while crack has such an obscenely short half life. I don't condone either crack/meth personally for anyone but if you're going to insist on using heavy stims I'd think that meth is a better option for this situation. Crack would force you to constantly redose to not feel the withdrawal and it'd be sooo much money.

All in all heroin is a beast and in my opinion it is the most addicting substance on the planet. However, I have to say that in order to overcome heroin addiction it takes a ton of trial and error and throwing yourself into misery. It's gonna take more self-control beyond just getting past the withdrawal to stop.

I myself used adderall to get out of a withdrawal. It got the job done and is less potent than these other stimulants--but it wasn't fun. Out of curiosity are you against things like suboxone, methadone, and vivitrol? It's important to have backup plans if you truly want to get clean off of heroin because it's ruining your life, because many people have exit strategies for opiates and it's all too easy to just return back to being a daily user.
 
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