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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

electronDegenerate

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Now that you have elaborated I can conditionally agree with some of your points.
Many people tend to physically over exert themselves, and yeah, mix other things in which would be huge
contributors to a comedown. I always considered the next few days as all part of the comedown.
But yeah, used exactly like you describe I would not expect to feel acutely bad after using molly.

However, if someone else took the same dose as me and said they had a comedown, while I didn't, which has happened,
I don't feel like I would have any ground to deny them. I certainly wouldn't try to discount that what they had was molly,
but the fake molly thing apparently wasn't nearly as bad where I am, at least not in my circle at the time.
 

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Now that you have elaborated I can conditionally agree with some of your points.
Many people tend to physically over exert themselves, and yeah, mix other things in which would be huge
contributors to a comedown. I always considered the next few days as all part of the comedown.
But yeah, used exactly like you describe I would not expect to feel acutely bad after using molly.

However, if someone else took the same dose as me and said they had a comedown, while I didn't, which has happened,
I don't feel like I would have any ground to deny them. I certainly wouldn't try to discount that what they had was molly,
but the fake molly thing apparently wasn't nearly as bad where I am, at least not in my circle at the time.
It would be so hard to really fathom this out properly now without properly standardised pure product. You are right though, you can certainly experience a comedown effect.

Of the many hundreds of times I took MDMA, and I over exerted extreme, comedowns would vary more between different pills, vs my own condition, and was the same in all of us, I made some extensive observations so I guess this is coming from my subconscious, thinking aloud almost, which LSD has a tendancy to make me do.

My last point.....I’ll just let you hear it lol!
 

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Proper MDMA doesn’t have a comedown. If you have a comedown you either don’t have it, or there is something separate going on with you to make you not feel great.

Many people experience an abnormally low mood a couple of days afterwards. This was even reported sometimes back when MDMA was uncontrolled and easily available in pure form. MDMA causes serotonin depletion, so it's no mystery why. It makes me feel a lot more drained afterwards than methylone does.
 

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Many people experience an abnormally low mood a couple of days afterwards. This was even reported sometimes back when MDMA was uncontrolled and easily available in pure form. MDMA causes serotonin depletion, so it's no mystery why. It makes me feel a lot more drained afterwards than methylone does.
Yes I agree, I’m very aware of that. Apart from cognitive decline, impairment and long term serotonergic changes, that days later emotional dip, or rollercoaster if you really went nuts on it, was the only really bad thing about MDMA.

I was trying to distinguish between this type of comedown, due to serotonin depletion and chemistry rebalancing, and the type of nasty acute, physical, immediate comedown as amphetamine wears off for example.

I haven’t made my points very clearly, very wasted on acid still. I myself underestimated how powerful LSD really is. The way that 300 ug hit me yesterday (36 hours ago now), I really was in a fairy land. I only took 50 ug extra about 10 hours ago and I feel like I’m pretty fully up on the acid still. 36 hours from 350 ug and Iknow I’ll have a powerful afterglow for a few days too.

Strong drug.
 

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I forgot I was yearning to play this one track on CD just now, collecting my scrambled head. If you don’t it it’s another great one from that wise man of sparkling light:

 

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25 ug is a strong buzz you know. I take huge trips, but still, I don’t take 25 ug (I still do) and think- this is nothing.

I agree with that. I've had meaningful and entertaining experiences from low doses. And on the other side of the spectrum, also some pretty anxious and uncomfortable ones, tripping in inadequate times/situations thinking that 25 µg would be a "microdose". I learned quickly that it was not, lol.
 

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Ah right, well in that case then we are in agreement. :)
We often are I feel, once we needle though the cracks and apparent incongruities, on many things, while still having our own differing and passionate views on much else.

But pure sense is pure sense. I once said “I co only make sense to those who can understand sense.”

Still one of my favourite quotes ever, as well as a spontaneous remark I made on 300 ug, preparing for Saturday night barn rave.

A “Dutch bird”, her nickname, older than 25 me then, slightly neurotic. Scuffling insecurely with her hairdo in mirror, she blurted openly to the room- “can you get me a hairdresser?”

At like 7 pm sat night.

Day in holy, peaceful lotus like position, no milliseconds thought, I spurted and so naturally electrically Humourously....”I can get you a reincarnater!”

Onters in the room, Tony said...”that’s a pretty Maaaad thing to say”, emphatically.

Steve imedaietely said...”yeeahh! That is a pretty mad thing to say!” Almost in disdelief to have even heard it uttered in the style, moment and context.

Immediately following but obsciously observing, nice Big Gluck Man Floyd, chucked in pure joy and said...hmm hmm, you kill me Alexis! (Me real name, here to recount the full fast flowing script and humorous dramatic reaction on the consciousness.

People actually used to say to me every day- you kill it. He kills it etc. My natural sense of humour was so sharp and imaginative,
 

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I agree with that. I've had meaningful and entertaining experiences from low doses. And on the other side of the spectrum, also some pretty anxious and uncomfortable ones, tripping in inadequate times/situations thinking that 25 µg would be a "microdose". I learned quickly that it was not, lol.
Yes, at times, I still have a 4 hour quite intense ride before it settles down to my favourite bit of pure peace and timelessness.

And I’ve said around, sttrangley, 1000ug doses are more pleasurable, easier in ways, than 200 to 300 ug.

And in a way, smoother and more instantly blissful than 25 ug. Strange. Im am actually not all all daunted by a 1000 ug dose. Maybe a fave of mine actuallly in the right moment and setting.

No gripping, thinking, letting stress release etc.

25 ug is sure no microdose. 20 ug maximum, ideally 10 to 13, 15 ug g max.

But even those doses I notice too, so this sub perceptual thing obviously varies between people and harnessed intuition.
 
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Took 160mgs Methadone, 800mgs Cimetidine, One Shot of Fireball Whiskey and im sipping my first Red Stripe Beer from the six pack I grabbed on the way home. Combo should make me feel nice and toasty about to heat up a bubble bath I got soaked today on my ride home from work but I couldn't afford ubers both way cuz I bought new Television yesterday. Things are going much better for me guys since I quite the hard drugs, needless to say having my girlfriend back is the best thing that could have happened to me. I love that woman so much and strive to make her proud of me, im gonna be moving into a bigger place soon a One Bedroom with Living Room, Kitchen of my own and im pretty stoked about that, getting outta the studio and no roomates a place of my own. Hopefully my girl will stay a few nights a week to keep me company but she wants to hold off on moving in completely, and it's okay if we take things slow I just want her to be happy. She is a really special person and means the world to me.
 

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Friend of mine ran a marathon today. I'm jealous of the sleep he's getting right now, can't imagine many better nights of sleep.
I'd like to know for sure, but it sure is a lot of effort :S
 

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Going to try write 6 pages today. Really need to try focus. Have a short break coming up by the end of the week. will probably trip half in the day time and enjoy nature. Need to get more LSD for more microdosing though.
 

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I bet he's in pain right now but imagine the runner's high from a marathon!

Took 160mgs Methadone, 800mgs Cimetidine, One Shot of Fireball Whiskey and im sipping my first Red Stripe Beer from the six pack I grabbed on the way home. Combo should make me feel nice and toasty about to heat up a bubble bath I got soaked today on my ride home from work but I couldn't afford ubers both way cuz I bought new Television yesterday. Things are going much better for me guys since I quite the hard drugs, needless to say having my girlfriend back is the best thing that could have happened to me. I love that woman so much and strive to make her proud of me, im gonna be moving into a bigger place soon a One Bedroom with Living Room, Kitchen of my own and im pretty stoked about that, getting outta the studio and no roomates a place of my own. Hopefully my girl will stay a few nights a week to keep me company but she wants to hold off on moving in completely, and it's okay if we take things slow I just want her to be happy. She is a really special person and means the world to me.

That's awesome man, I'm so glad things are moving upward for you. ♥️ Just remember how you feel right now any time you want to return to hard drugs.

Friend of mine ran a marathon today. I'm jealous of the sleep he's getting right now, can't imagine many better nights of sleep.
I'd like to know for sure, but it sure is a lot of effort :S

Being able to run a marathon takes some serious training and dedication. There was a time in my life I could have done so with a little more training, when I was in cross country, I got to where I could run 10 miles without too much trouble, of course races were 3 miles on average and you push yourself to the limit for those, but for practice, we'd do 10 mile runs at less than maximum speed and it wasn't too hard, I probably could have done 12-15 at the time. I could still run well for many years after that, but I'm too old now and my knees aren't good enough for it, running fucking hurts. Hell, walking uphill hurts. It sucks. It hurts to stand up from sitting down, not really bad, but it pinches something in my knees every time, especially my left knee.
 

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running is really bad for human health tbh. It destorys your body long distance running and the free radical damage from the oxidative stress on the body aswell increases the rate of aging cancer etc. Exercise is good in moderate amounts but everytime somebody runs a marathon they are fucking themselves over.
 
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