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JackARoe

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^ Good deal TZ. Life really is about wrestling the bull to the ground and controlling it. Meditation is like exercising the mind. The mind roams worse than wild horses as the sages say. Controlling the mind is harder than taming wild horses. But practice is the name of the game. I mean to sit and meditate, my body and mind give me the finger when I try and control them. lol But practice is needed and it gets easier. However I don't think meditation even comes close to the quickness of psychedelics. but both are tools. Controlling the mind as well as psychedelics can help with growth.

This is the way I feel about the whole meditation vrs psychedelics. I think Nature gave us an advantage by giving us natual psychedelics to break through the illusion. Terrance McKenna has that story of a spiritual devote that practiced meditation hard for 40 years in order to cross the river through mind control and levitation. So after hard practice for 40 years he did it. Then he went up the the Buddha and said look Master, it took 40 years I can cross the river now. And the Buddha said you could have taken the ferry for a nickle. (something like that). ;)

Meditation, add some breathing exercises in. And practice with discipline. Do some physical exercise and live on the Earth for a while. :) I do believe it is a chosen journey by us.
 
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Stanislov grof books his trip report of 5 meo dmt is so amazing so here it is for people to read who don't own it.

The beginning of the experience was very sudden and dramatic. I was hit by a thunderbolt of immense power that instantly shattered and dissolved my everyday reality. I lost all contact with the surrounding world, which completely disappeared as if by magic. In the past, whenever I had taken a high-dose of psychedelics, I liked to lie down and make myself comfortable. This time, any such concerns were irrelevant because I lost awareness of my body, as well as of the environment. After the session, I was told that after taking a couple of drags, I sat there for several minutes like a sculpture, holding the pipe near my mouth. Cristina and Paul had to take the pipe from my hand and put my body in a reclining position on the couch.

In all my previous sessions, I had always maintained basic orientation. I knew who I was, where I was, and why I was having unusual experiences. This time all this dissolved in a matter of seconds. The awareness of my everyday existence, my name, my whereabouts, and my life disappeared as if by magic. Stan Grof … California … United States … planet Earth … these concepts faintly echoed for a few moments like dreamlike images on the far periphery of my consciousness and then faded away altogether. I tried hard to remember myself of all the existence of the realities I used to know, but they suddenly did not make any sense.

In all my previous psychedelic sessions there always had been some rich specific content. The experiences related to my present lifetime – the story of my childhood, infancy, birth, and embryonal life – or to various themes from the transpersonal domain – my past life experiences, images from human history, archetypal visions of deities or demons, or visits to various mythological domains. This time, none of these dimensions seemed to exist, let alone manifest. My only reality was a mass of radiant swirling energy of immense proportions that seemed to contain all of existence in a condensed and entirely abstract form. I became Consciousness facing the Absolute.

It had the brightness of myriad suns, yet it was not the same continuum with any light I knew from everyday life. It seemed to be pure consciousness, intelligence, and creative energy transcending all polarities. It was infinite and finite, divine and demonic, terrifying and ecstatic, creative and destructive - all that and much more. I had no concept, no categories for what I was witnessing. I could not maintain a sense of separate existence in the face of such a force. My ordinary identity was shattered and dissolved; I became one with the Source. In retrospect, I believe I must have experienced the Dharmakaya, the Primary Clear Light, which according to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the Bardo Thödol, appears at the moment of our death. It bore some resemblance to what I encountered in my first LSD session, but it was much more over whelming and completely extinguished any sense of my separate identity.

My encounter with the Absolute lasted approximately 20 minutes of clock time, as measured by external observers. As far as I was concerned, during the entire duration of my experience, time ceased to exist and lost any meaning whatsoever. After what seemed like an eternity, concrete dreamlike images and concepts began to form in my experiential field. I started intuiting fleeting images of a cosmos with galaxies, stars, and planets, Later, I gradually visualized a solar system, and within it the Earth, with large continents.

Initially, these images were very distant and unreal, but as the experience continued, I started to feel that these realities might actually have objective existence. Gradually, this crystallized further into the images of the United States and California. The last to emerge was the sense of my everyday identity and the awareness of my present life. At first, the contact with the ordinary reality was extremely faint. I recognized where I was and what the circumstances were. But I was sure that I had taken a dose that was excessive and that I was actually dying. For some time, I believed I was experiencing the bardo, the intermediate state between my present life and my birth in the next incarnation, as it is described in the Tibetan texts.

As I was regaining more solid contact with reality, I reached a point where I knew that I was coming down from a psychedelic session and that I would survive this experiment. I was lying there, still experiencing myself as dying, but now without the sense that my present life was threatened. My dying seemed to be related to scenes from my previous incarnations. I found myself in many dramatic situations happening in different parts of the world throughout the centuries, all of them dangerous and painful. Various groups of muscles in my body were twitching and shaking, as my body was hurting and dying in these different contexts. However, as my karmic history played out in my body, I was in a state of profound bliss, completely detached from all these dramas, which persisted even after all the specific content disappeared from my experience.

- Stanislav Grof, "When the Impossible Happens: Adventures in Non-Ordinary Reality." (2006)

The czechs are really on another level with psychedelic thepary a must watch movie learnt a few things about how to anchor back into reality after many intense trips.

Do you ever find 5-meo scary or terrifying? Or is it beyond that?
 

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I woke up this morning feels kinda crappy, and I just got a call from my band's drummer, he tested positive for covid and feels like ass. Gonna go get a test in about a half hour. My girlfriend is consumed with anxiety right now, she's been super scared the whole time, I feel bad for her.

I hope I don't have it, but part of me hopes I do, because she is going to be extremely resistant to me continuing to have band practice if I don't have it. We just got a new bass player and have a ton of work to do to get him up to speed so we can play some shows and do an album release event as soon as it's possible... so we can hit the ground running. She's already saying to me "see, I told you that it was a bad idea to see anyone until covid is over".

My bandmates and I all knowingly took the risk. We wear masks at practice, but were willing to risk getting it for the sake of our music. And I just am not built for isolation, I did it for the first few months and my mental health suffered so bad. I ended up in the ER for overdosing on GHB, was drinking heavily almost every day, going on long stimulant binges. I do feel bad because my girlfriend has no problem isolating, she's not very social anyway (though she works in a factory, I'm actually surprised she didn't catch it already). But neither of us has any contact with anyone at risk. The reality is, the chances are overwhelmingly high that we would have mild cases. Sure hope so.
 

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Do you ever find 5-meo scary or terrifying? Or is it beyond that?
It's the most scariest thing ever done tbh because before full release while your ego could still be holding on making for a tough ride.before you can even exhale you literally die once full release and everything has dissolved within seconds or if you hold on longer its intense peace and love in that white void of god. It's the most intense experince on earth. As long as you have a proper guide it will be not scary. The eurphoia on 5meo transcends all drugs some people report the eurphoia like mdma times a million. Its just beyond all things
 
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JackARoe

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^^ Yeah Xorkoth feel better. Keep in mind 9 out of 10 people just get mild symptoms. I believe I had this when it first came out. Had a chest old and fever after going all over in Canada including a few times to a seedy casino for my FIL. lol And if you do have it yeah you can cross it off your list.

I think isolation is causing more deaths than the damn virus. The media does a good job teaching us how to walk around and be afraid. Sort of pisses me off. My wife was is scared too, but I think she had it too right after me as she was in a nursing home recently filled with it for a week and didn't come back positive. Common sense says be careful with germs. But I just watched the nursing home that my FIL was in be careful as hell and half the place got it anyway. And honestly, he was dying of organ failure so the last thing that hit him was Covid. Almost like a blessing. Took him nice and quick. I mean 3 days earlier he could smile still. Then slept and passed.

We need more antibody tests that work. I think we are over the hump with Covid though. But just before the media had Covid to use to scare the hell out of people we had vaping. It was killing people.
 
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Well the thing that concerns me the most is the loss of taste and smell... a few people I know who are around my age got it some time and and still can't taste or smell much, months later. My cousin (who denied the virus was even real until he got it) says food tastes weird/bad and eating is not enjoyable anymore, and it's been like 5 months since he got it. I don't want that to happen.

A half a million people have died in the US, but it's mostly the elderly and people with underlying conditions. The medication I take puts me at higher risk of serious disease, it's a once monthly biologic medication and I just took my monthly dose on Friday. Doctor told me that if I do get it, to not take the medication until it's over, and to even time it so when I get vaccinated, I am supposed to time it so it's as far away between doses as possible. So that kinda sucks.

Also, I know more than one person who has gotten it twice, although the second time was much milder.

But in any case, I'm not built to isolate for a long time, so it is what it is. I just got back from getting the test. Weirdly, the place used to do rapid tests but they said they don't do them anymore so it will take up to 7 days for results.

I think if the message to us had been "it's not a big deal, don't worry too much", a lot more people would have died so far, so I get it. I'm certainly not living in fear, but my girlfriend is, it sucks for her.
 

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Covid deniers confuse me. I mean there is something getting people sick. Not some large elaborate scheme from a deep state. (I know wrong forum) My aunt and uncle denied it until there son (my cousin) got it. But I think even all news started reporting correctly. My cousin recovered in a few days, no lingering issue thankfully.

Common sense seems to be missing these days with a lot of people. Masks do reduce the chances, like over 95% less chance. And a mask will help with otherr germs too.

Damn if everyone in the world quarenteened, I mean really quarenteened we have knocked this out in 4-5 weeks back last March. But that would be tall order. So many people did not have to die. But to show how different people are when my FIL died with (not of, with) Covid I felt it took him home and was a compassionate thing by Nature. There was another guy in the other room, fully demented, terrible shape without covid, old, the family took him out of the nursing home and put him in the hospital which was dumb. But when he died in the hospital his daughters (all 7) were yelling at the nursing home "you killed my father".

The thought of another year with no live music or gatherings is a scary thought. But I too am not sure of the balance for being careful and being too careful. I wonder what the stats have to be to open up society again.
 

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Hope things are okay for you xorkoth. Isolation itself takes a toll social interactions are by far the most important thing to good health to keep us away from drugs and been trapped inside our own minds thoughts bouncing off the walls in the house.

So my uni doesn't not even have the NMR machines anymore due to covid delaying the installation of new ones. And the old one is broken. Seriously they could of at least told us before we all enroll into these courses. I was surprised at the lack of class / teacher contact in post graduate studies everything is mostly prerecorded and told to do reports / assignments and to read these reference papers. its that we really pay money. No wonder the state of science in NZ is the way it is.

But suddenly things are coming back to fast knowledge deep down in the brain jump started tbh from what i remember this is not really that much above what i learnt in my bachelors plus work gave me all the practical skills i needed just i forgot all the theory behind most things.

its been so fucking hot at the end of summer 30 degree Celsius days.
 

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I woke up this morning feels kinda crappy, and I just got a call from my band's drummer, he tested positive for covid and feels like ass. Gonna go get a test in about a half hour. My girlfriend is consumed with anxiety right now, she's been super scared the whole time, I feel bad for her.

I hope I don't have it, but part of me hopes I do, because she is going to be extremely resistant to me continuing to have band practice if I don't have it. We just got a new bass player and have a ton of work to do to get him up to speed so we can play some shows and do an album release event as soon as it's possible... so we can hit the ground running. She's already saying to me "see, I told you that it was a bad idea to see anyone until covid is over".

My bandmates and I all knowingly took the risk. We wear masks at practice, but were willing to risk getting it for the sake of our music. And I just am not built for isolation, I did it for the first few months and my mental health suffered so bad. I ended up in the ER for overdosing on GHB, was drinking heavily almost every day, going on long stimulant binges. I do feel bad because my girlfriend has no problem isolating, she's not very social anyway (though she works in a factory, I'm actually surprised she didn't catch it already). But neither of us has any contact with anyone at risk. The reality is, the chances are overwhelmingly high that we would have mild cases. Sure hope so.

The thing I love about Her, is that she seems so normal, no mental disorders, nothing, and she does not use drugs or even alcohol (I think she drinks like a few times in a year)
She is too good - I told her about my psychosis, drug use and all, but didn't tell her how much I drink nowadays. Her last boyfriend was an alcoholic, and they broke up because of it.
Fuck. I want to stop drinking though, and she could be one of the reasons I do it.

I was reading our facebook chat history and lol, I met her in 2012. I was so young haha. And she was 17. I was madly into her then too, but seems like I just didn't care anymore about an year or two later? Feels bad, but maybe it was meant to be.


We have really similar lives. She lived most of her life in the same neighbourhood, we went to same schools and all, I really like her.
 
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Managed to get it drilled into my mates head not to mix weed into his lsd upcoming trip he has never mixed cannabis and acid and his last acid trip was in 2017 on 7 tabs. Hes going to take 210 ug. Took me a hour to finally get him to back off on doing the weed in the coming weekend.

Im still surprised he never had any issues with LSD since his first degree relative has schizophrenia yet i seen him eat 7 150 ug tabs and not freak out or fuck out. I still question the so called main stream narrative on that point about relatives with it usually its only a few % increased risk.

Trying to regain the ability to cook all the drugs impacted each area of my life over the years and now trying to just relearn how to be a human every day. I should not of taken 50 tabs in a space of a year that might of the been the most tripping i did ever. Or the strongest amount of tripping alot of high doses. Still do not know how people in the 60s managed to take 300 ug on the weekly biweekly for years on end though i heard leary never expected so much people to get burnt out from LSD.
 

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Been taking this 2-FA almost daily for like a couple weeks now. I actually think it's on par with 2-FMA for functionality, but the only downside is the short duration (~3 hours). I've been taking 25-30mg at a time and usually redosing once a day. The one day I took three doses was like a week ago and after that I woke up in the middle of the night shaking, over the next thirty minutes it progressed into what seemed like a low-grade seizure. Sort of scary, but I ate some yogurt and the shaking completely stopped in like five minutes. That sort of makes me think it was low blood sugar, but since I've never really had anything like that, I can't help but wonder how much the 2-FA contributed. Haven't had any issues since and I took some F-phenibut for like the first time in a month last night—it really blended nice with the 2-FA and made the experience much more recreational.
Oh geez, thanks for sharing! I was reluctant to try 2-FA because of the concerns over halogenated amphetamines and serotonergic neurotoxictity. When it started to look like 2-FA and 2-FMA had limited serotonergic activity, I gave them a whirl. I actually find the two to be great, but quite different. 2-FMA produces a long lasting somatic sensation of stimulation--it gets me off my ass, but the stimulation doesn't make it to my thoughts all that much. 2-FA is a much nicer, cleaner, almost transparent mental stimulation. I'm sad that it seems to have disappeared completely, but side-effects like that make me wonder if that might be a good thing after all. :cry:
 

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Managed to get it drilled into my mates head not to mix weed into his lsd upcoming trip he has never mixed cannabis and acid and his last acid trip was in 2017 on 7 tabs. Hes going to take 210 ug. Took me a hour to finally get him to back off on doing the weed in the coming weekend.
It is SO freaking hard to get people to accept and internalize that mixing cannabis and psychedelics is much riskier than taking either separately. Almost every case of serious freakout that resulted in lasting trauma and months of struggle to integrate that I've personally witnessed has come from that combination. Obviously plenty of people can and do combine the two without incident and really enjoy it, which makes it that much harder to get people to take the added risk seriously.
 

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I really hope all drugs become fully decriminalized sooner than latter, just so cryptocurrencies can lose their usefulness. Shit is out of control. I was reading yesterday that should BTC ever reach the million dollar mark, it would emit more CO₂ than the entire USA. I didn't verify the claim, but I have no trouble believing that projection. We're already at the point where the BTC network spends more energy than Argentina.
 

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I really hope BTC fails, but at this point shit talking bitcoin is pissing into the wind.

Why would you hope it fails? BTC is funding a lot of really cool projects, considering the kinds of people who got into it early.

Not to mention, it's the masthead for decentralized currencies, a potentially hugely beneficial advancement for humanity.
 

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Indeed, what a puzzling post, seems to have been made entirely out of spite, it's not too late to jump aboard just yet!

I had one last disappointing hurrah with 3-MMC last week, using 3 grams. I think it's gonna be banned in NL soon, I've been browsing through some of their forums and it's filled with teenagers and people under 18 massively addicted. Bizarrely most people seem to get it from dealers as well. Quite some media coverage too.
Interestingly, I believe there are two synths of the drug, both result in crystals of course, but one is much easier to crush than the other, and this is the very mediocre one (all effects are less pronounced) and the harder more crystally to crush is quite amazing and especially euphoric and ''''''empathogenic''''''. From what I can tell out of two years of semi regular use (once=binge every 2-3 months) is that both are equally prevalent but the latter seems much harder to come by recently. Especially this, is quite puzzling to me since it seems to be main one getting everyone hooked.
I actually believe that it is more addicting than mephedrone (at least the newer mephedrone) due to the stronger dopamine rush and less serotonin which makes you somewhat less inclined to redose, while on good 3-MMC this is extremely hard. 4-MMC is much more epic though, an explosion of serotonin, visuals inducing.

I am done for real with this poison for the mind though, and with that all stimulants (I was already doing this admittedly but I smell a ban), well at least searching it out, I'm not one to refuse free cocaine or something. Responsible use of any stim is way behind me and they fuck too much with my mood.

Also, I'm sorry for polluting the psychedelics thread with something like 3-MMC =D
 

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@psy997 because it's atrocious for the planet and mega inefficient. @blistersinthedark is correct about it currently using more energy than Argentina. Its energy usage corresponds linearly with its price, with a fair amount of lag as miners need time to set up and respond to compete for the rising incentive, so if its value doubles, so does the energy use, over time. Bitcoin is a hungry ghost.

Besides the environmental toll which is a dealbreaker if you ask me, it's a terrible currency. Transaction times are 10mins +, and cost over $25 usd right now.

@Buzz Lightbeer no it's not spite, I'm really concerned about the cost to the earth. We're so quick to turn a blind eye as soon as there's some money to make. It should be common knowledge but no one wants to talk about this right now because, well, it's a bull market. It's going up to 70k for sure. Well, maybe that is spite, you tell me. If it is, I'm ok with it.

ps: I think 3-MMC belongs here, doesn't it? It's not precisely a psychedelic, but tangentially it qualifies..
 
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i wish elon musk could keep his fucking mouth shut everything he says is fucking insider trading they need to fine that bastard billions of dollars fucking over his shareholders and everybody holding crypto.

On a different note i was hoping they would of given those enrolled in university discounts for gyms because at these prices i simply do not have the budget to go to one. I do have my own basic weights and could just run some loops around the place.
 

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Energy consumption is huge I agree

But this lightning network should do wonders for transaction times + fees, didn't know fees were up to 25$ already LOL, must be really busy these days
 
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