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I can't handle stupid people anymore

madness00 said:
You're right, i was totally off base.

Didn't think anyone would take it seriously, but i understand you wanted to make a statement out of it, for the record.

Very reasonable points, @JessFR.

But wouldn't you say in order to tolerate one another, one must be the bottom, and another the top? Someone has to "wear the pants". And when it comes to god, I'M on top. I AM the god. And i'm wearing MC hammer 'cuz my nawts don't fit.

This isn't extreme, all or nothing, black and white thinking, this is just how we all are. Do you really share the pants, @JessFR? Do you share your pants? How about you, @CoastTwoCoast. Do you share the pants, or like being on bottom?

I think these are all important questions we must ask ourselves.

In order to get off with each other.

Right, @Captain.Heroin and @mal3volent?
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Oh, so you're actually acknowledging my existence now? Funny. I'm over this whole conversation. People will believe what they want. That's fine with me.
 
Everyone likes to say that fundamentalists are the problem, and they are; but fundamentalists live in a world of enablers. Unless you're a a religious person speaking out against other religious people who violate your faith, then you are part and parcel with the problem. The religious stand by silently while their ideological brethren commit horrible atrocities in the name of their god.

Religion is fundamentally violent, especially the Abrahamic faiths. Extremism can't exist where there is no ideological support, and the Bible is full of it. So is the Quran. People like to distance themselves from fundamentalists while claiming they are an aberration, when the doctrine can be twisted to support bad behaviour. I attended a Catholic mass in a rinky dink small town in August, and even if that mundane, relatively benign town, the mass contained divisive language that separates people into us vs. them. In that you have the seeds of ideology that could readily justify violence.

The spiritual values that religion espouses are above and beyond religion. Religion didn't invent them so it shouldn't be taking credit. Those are innate values to our spiritual nature in the cosmos. You had prophets who embodied divinity and then you had politically driven (and perhaps well intended) humans who tried to create a system to replicate those prophetic values, and failed miserably. When they failed, they doubled down and used violence to try and twist humanity's arm into listening -- and now here we are.

The core of humanity is good and divine, but religion is a system that necessarily subdivides and conquers. It can't not be that way. So when people blame fundamentalism I just kind of roll my eyes. Religion itself is fundamentalist if you look at it within the context of spirituality as a whole.
 
I'm not into the whole religion thing. Other people bring religion into it as a way to make being a believer a bad thing.

Extremists who kill themselves and others for their religion are obviously bad.

I don't consider myself religious at all. Just a believer in Jesus Christ. That simple.
 
It's pretty clear that the vast majority of posters are heavy drug users. Most employ defense mechanisms that are immature at best. They think they are comfortable posting daily inventories of poly drug abuse or 3 page narratives of 30 hour drug trips. But they are not comfortable practicing a faith or participating in a faith community. And even if they wanted to, with their present lifestyle, they cannot. So I take the neurotic arguments and factual mis-statements about religion and practicing faith posted here as shedding light not on religion, but on the drug user's lack of introspection and self awareness.
 
Ah I see you're referring to me with the 3 page/30 hour trip narrative comment. Why does it have to be that I'm a deluded and immature drug user who lacks introspection and self-awareness, rather than I have had my own spiritual journey, began in the Christian faith, and ultimately came to a different conclusion? I don't tell you that you lack introspection and you have immature spiritual beliefs that were just told to you by others instead of discovered through your own explorations. Because I respect that you did arrive at your conclusions through introspection and your own experiences. Why do you have to go there with me?

This is what bothers me about religious people a lot of the time. Obviously not all of them are like this, but all too often there is such an arrogance about the way they communicate with others. Like if someone arrives at a different belief system, it's because they haven't thought about it and are making excuses and rationalizations. It's arrogant. Respect that other people have different experiences. Respect that you COULD be wrong. I know I could be wrong. I say it regularly and I respect when someone else has a different belief than me because I realize I could be wrong.

Also who the fuck cares if I want to write a long story about my trip I recently had that was impactful to me, or if people on here are heavy drug users? Get out of here with the judgment, this is a drug website.
 
Xorkoth said:
Ah I see you're referring to me with the 3 page/30 hour trip narrative comment. Why does it have to be that I'm a deluded and immature drug user who lacks introspection and self-awareness, rather than I have had my own spiritual journey, began in the Christian faith, and ultimately came to a different conclusion? I don't tell you that you lack introspection and you have immature spiritual beliefs that were just told to you by others instead of discovered through your own explorations. Because I respect that you did arrive at your conclusions through introspection and your own experiences. Why do you have to go there with me?

This is what bothers me about religious people a lot of the time. Obviously not all of them are like this, but all too often there is such an arrogance about the way they communicate with others. Like if someone arrives at a different belief system, it's because they haven't thought about it and are making excuses and rationalizations. It's arrogant. Respect that other people have different experiences. Respect that you COULD be wrong. I know I could be wrong. I say it regularly and I respect when someone else has a different belief than me because I realize I could be wrong.

Also who the fuck cares if I want to write a long story about my trip I recently had that was impactful to me, or if people on here are heavy drug users? Get out of here with the judgment, this is a drug website.
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Where's your trip story? I'll have to find it. I don't take psychedelics. I firmly believe people are risking encountering dark forces, but that's just me. It's interesting to see other people's experiences though.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Where's your trip story? I'll have to find it. I don't take psychedelics. I firmly believe people are risking encountering dark forces, but that's just me. It's interesting to see other people's experiences though.
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It's labeled DOPr (that was the drug), it's on the first page of the Trip Reports forum. My guess is you'll think it was demonic but if you're curious, please feel free to read it. Actually while it was happening I was remembering your comments about rock musicians selling their soult ot he devil for skill. In my trip I felt that I was in a shared consciousness space with my friends and that something was teaching me how to play new stuff and have better technique through my body. I still have those skills afterwards. There was no deal made or any communication with this force though, we just tapped into something. it was a very profound experience. It also could have been just myself, too, and I was tripping. But either way it was amazing for my music playing.
 
mal3volent said:
Fuck judgment. Fuck prohibition. Fuck the upper class. Fuck religion. <3 ✌
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Fuck judgment and fuck prohibition, absolutely.

Fuck the upper class... naw, there are a lot of good people who have made a really good living for themselves and become wealthy, and are just living the way they think they're supposed to but are good people to others. There are company owners who are great bosses (my dad, for example, owned a machine shop, slowly went out of business, and in the last 2 years, took no pay whatsoever so he could lay off as few people as possible because he believed (correctly) that he had a responsibility to them since they made his success possible. But absolutely fuck the leech super upper class who purposely screw over the people and society that makes their success possible, who destroy everything to attain even more wealth. Fuck those people.

Fuck religion... no, I disagree. Many people use religion in a good way and it enriches their lives, and they don't impose it on others. I believe in freedom of beliefs, freedom of thought. But I don't appreciate when people use any -ism or anything else to assert moral and intellectual superiority over others, or when people try to force their beliefs on others, or when people use an ideology for social control.
 
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Fuck the upper class is more of a motto, not to be taken literally to apply to every single person. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.

I'm not willing to budge on religion though. Religion is a construct separate from one's personal spirituality. It is inherent within most of the major religions for followers to proselytize. Because religion, unlike individual spirituality, is all about control. That's it's only purpose.
 
What a load of bullshit. It's people like you that are annoying. You make everything about "religion". I have been on a spiritual journey. Religion has nothing to do with it.
 
@Foreigner initially was about how stupid the world is, don't blame the world after all, these are just thing that surrounds and completes our environment ( Seasons, Mountains, Flowers, Clouds so on ) blame the human brain. Life without imagination will be nothing, life without hobbies would be nothing because what you basically are, it's flash and bones not much, but people do not value this, nah, they do not. Order can't exist in a place where the actions are unconscious, it's the basic principle in life to conduct a melodic viable dialog with someone. Anyhow or I should say, more or less? Or I should just say shut the fuck up because you bore me? Well I did that and? What we got? we got people talkin about religion on a drug forum, nothing bad, after all it's a community, right? At least that what the lower section of the forum says, now we all know why people belive in Gods, Ghosts, other dimensions/worlds, etc, and as a bracket - '' Hideo Kojima, it's a designer, director and producer. Regarded as an auteur of video games'' this dude right here, most of his creations except Silent Hill, didn't make any fuckin sense, no logic. So even himself says that he doesn't understand what he creates, now where did I wanted to go with this? Most people in this thread are Hideo Kojima, having fun in their own little digital world, and their brain cannot be snapped to reality. The irony it's huge, so huge, haha.
 
Awwe

Letter from God by Bo Lozoff
from Paul Harvey, Good Day


My Dear Children (and believe me, that’s all of you),

I consider myself a pretty patient Guy. I mean, look at the Grand Canyon. It took millions of years to get it right. And how about evolution? Boy, nothing is slower than designing that whole Darwinian thing to take place, cell by cell and gene by gene. And I’ve even been patient through your fashions, civilizations, wars and schemes, and the countless ways you take Me for granted until you get yourselves into big trouble again and again.

I want to let you know about some things that are starting ticking me off.

First of all, your religious rivalries are driving Me up a wall. Enough already! Let’s get one thing straight: These are your religions, not Mine. I’m the Whole Enchilada; I’m beyond them all. Every one of your religions claims there’s only one of Me (which, by the way, is absolutely true). But in the very next breath, each religion claims it’s My favorite one. And each claims its bible was written personally by me, and that all the other bibles are man-made. Oh, Me. How do I even begin to put a stop to such complicated nonsense?

Okay, listen up now: I’m your Father and Mother, and I don’t play favorites among My Children. Also, I hate to break it to you, but I don’t write. My longhand is awful, and I’ve always been more of a “doer” anyway. So all your books, including the bibles, were written by men and women. They were inspired men and women, remarkable people, but they also made mistakes here and there. I made sure of that, so that you would never trust a written word more than your own living Heart.

You see, one Human Being to me — even a Bum on the street — is worth more than all the holy books in the world. That’s just the kind of Guy I Am. My Spirit is not an historical thing, it is alive right here, right now, as fresh as your next breath.
Holy books and religious rites are sacred and powerful, but not more so than the least of You.

They were only meant to steer you in the right direction, not to keep you arguing with each other, and certainly not to keep you from trusting your own personal connection with Me.

Which brings Me to My next point about your nonsense: You act like I need you and your religions to stick up for Me or “win souls” for My Sake. Please, don’t do Me any favors. I can stand quite well on my own, thank you. I don’t need you to defend Me, and I don’t need constant credit. I just want you to be good to each other.

And another thing: I don’t get all worked up over money or politics, so stop dragging My name into your dramas. For example, I swear to Me that I never threatened Oral Roberts. I never rode in any of Rajneesh’s Rolls Royces. I never told Pat Robertson to run for president, and I’ve never ever had a conversation with Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, or Jimmy Swaggart! Of course, come Judgement Day, I certainly intend to…

The thing is, I want you to stop thinking of religion as some sort of loyalty pledge to Me. The true purpose of your religions is so that you can become more aware of Me, not the other way around. Believe Me, I know you already. I know what’s in each of your hearts, and I love you anyway with no strings attached. Lighten up and enjoy Me. That’s what religion is best for.
What you seem to forget is how mysterious I Am. You look at the petty little differences in your scriptures and say, “Well, if this is the Truth, then that can’t be!” But instead of trying to figure out My Paradoxes and Unfathomable Nature — which, by the way, you never will — why not open your hearts to the simple common threads of every religion?

You know what I’m talking about: Play nice with one another. Love and respect everyone. Be kind. Even when life is scary or confusing, take courage and be of good cheer, for I Am always with you. Learn how to be quiet, so you can hear My Still, Small Voice (I don’t like to shout). Leave the world a better place by living your life with dignity and gracefulness, for you are My Own Child. Hold back nothing from life, for the parts of you that can die will, and the parts that can’t, won’t. So don’t worry, be happy (I stole that last line from Bobby McFerrin, but who gave it to him in the first place?)

Simple stuff. Why do you keep making it so complicated? It’s like you’re always looking for an excuse to be upset. And I’m very tired of being your main excuse. Do you think I care whether you call me God, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Wakantonka, Brahma, Father, Mother, or even The Void or Nirvana? Do you think I care which of My Special Children you feel closest to — Jesus, Mary, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed or any of the others? You can call Me and My Special Ones any name you choose, if only you would go about My business of loving one another as I love you. How can you keep neglecting something so simple?
No I’m not telling you to abandon your religions. Enjoy your religions, honor them, learn from them, just as you should enjoy, honor, and learn from your parents. But do you walk around telling everyone that your parents are better than theirs? Your religion, like your parents, may always have the most special place in your heart; I don’t mind that at all. And I don’t want you to combine all the Great Traditions into One Big Mess. Each religion is unique for a reason. Each has a unique style so that people can find the best path for themselves.
But My Special Children — the ones your religions revolve around — all live in the same place (in My Heart) and they get along perfectly, I assure you. The clergy must stop creating a myth of sibling rivalry where there is none.

My Blessed Children of Earth, the world has grown too small for your pervasive religious bigotries and confusion. The whole planet is connected by air travel, satellite dishes, telephones, fax machines, rock concerts, diseases, and mutual needs and concerns. Get with the program! If you really want to help Me celebrate the birthday of My Son Jesus, then commit yourselves to figuring out how to feed your hungry, clothe your naked, protect your abused, and shelter your poor. And just as importantly, make your own everyday life a shining example of kindness and good humor. I’ve given you all the resources you need, if only you abandon your fear of each other and begin living, loving, and laughing together.

Finally, My Children everywhere, remember whose birth is honored on this day you call Christmas, December 25th, and the fearlessness with which He chose to live and die. As I love Him, so do I love each one of you. Now, I’m not really ticked off, I just wanted to grab your attention because I hate to see you suffer. But I gave you Free Will, so what can I do now other than to try to influence you through reason, persuasion, and a little old-fashioned guilt and manipulation? After all, I Am the original Jewish Mother. I just want you to be happy, and I’ll sit in The Dark. I really Am, indeed, I swear, with you always. Always. Trust In Me.

Your One and Only,
GOD
 
JessFR said:
Why should burning in hell even be a possibility unless God's a total asshole?

Sure seems like God only wants us to have free will so he can act out his wrath on people for using it.

The Bible, and especially the old testiment, is full of examples of God acting like a total asshole.

A choice made under duress is not a free choice. Therefore, burning in hell for lack of belief makes belief a choice made under duress. How is that giving us free will?

God is basically like an abusive parent. Telling us it's our fault that he hurts us.
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This is so accurate.the guy they call god is a total fucking asshole.beleive in me or I'll send u to be tortured is his motto.total control freak.total asshole in every way.if he was a physical person who actually existed and he did things like sacrifice his son and exact vengeance on sinners he'd be sentenced to serious prison time as a violent offender who has psychiatrists labeling him a dangerous psychopath with narcissistic tendencies who should not be granted parole.
 
JessFR said:
God, the abrahamic God anyway, reminds me a lot of the abusive drunk husband. Getting drunk then attacking their wife. With believers and the angels who didn't rebel against him acting as the abused spouse.

"you don't understand, he loves me, he only hurts me when I make him mad, I brought it on myself".
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Yeah deep down he really loves you.
that's why he hits you.
 
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