Coming off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v3

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Invega sustenna recovery/tianeptine

I'm 2 months out from my last injection and I feel just a little bit better. Still extremely bad, but I don't feel like I'm necessarily dying anymore. I thought I was dead a month and a half ago. I even started writing letters to family members for them to discover after I died. Caused heart problems, sinus problems, 0 energy, and a feeling I can only describe as what dying would feel like. There were many days where I didn't even get out of bed to eat or drink. Thank God, literally, that I made it past that phase. I read some peer reviewed medical journal studies about this stuff being used in kids, and how small of a percentage reported adverse effects. Definitely rigged studies. They are torturing kids and they know it. Autistic kids, kids who act up too much etc... I stopped donating to autism speaks because they support using this stuff on autistic children. Pure evil.

A number of you also received injections for whatever reasons. I noticed only 1 or 2 said they started to recover. How are you all doing now? How many months/years out are you?

Anyways, I'm getting some tianeptine soon to see if that will help. I'm still non-functional. Can't work, go to school, and barely even play with my kids. At this point, I just want to feel good again. Nothing works. Kratom was helping a little bit but it is not working anymore. I was thinking about trying etizolam but opted against it because I don't want an addiction when this is all over with..

Has anyone tried tianeptine for recovering from neuroleptic depot injections? Does anyone know if the pleasurable effects of tianeptine will work with the neuroleptic in system still?
 
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Autism speaks are a terrible organisation. A lot of autistic people have spoken out against them, but they just steamroll them and ignore them.

If nothing else, it's wildly inappropriate for one of the most well-funded autism awareness orgs to have a board that doesn't have a single autistic person on it.
 

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NOtoInvega start taking fish oil and jog 20mins 3 times a week, also take a multi vitamin and high dose magnesium, I'm looking forward to your recovery, please keep us updated.
 

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NOtoInvega start taking fish oil and jog 20mins 3 times a week, also take a multi vitamin and high dose magnesium, I'm looking forward to your recovery, please keep us updated.
I am no where near able to get out and jog, even on good days. I take a multi inconsistently.

I haven't been posting for a while because the kratom stopped working. If I don't take anything, a stim or kratom, I can't do anything but lay in bed. Even standing up to clean up is nearly undoable. When I take them, if I haven't taken them too often, I can sometimes feel somewhat baseline.

I'm getting desperate. I day-dream about going back in time knowing what I know now. It was a spirit of confusion, not a biological disorder. God's angel told me and showed me how to avoid letting it confuse me again. Sometimes Satanic spirits come around still, but they don't trick me anymore. The thing about them is that they are SO good at confusing you and controlling your thought patterns that anyone victimized by them would think there is absolutely no way to stop them (what they might have been told are neurobiologically caused voices and delusions). But there is. First is to know what they are, fallen angels, and second is to remember that no matter what God gives a Spirit of peace and will act for you if you persevere. The problem is until you get got one good time, you don't know how strong they are and how good they are at getting you to doubt what God said.

Anyways, now that I fell into this Satanic trap (the spirit of confusion even said "don't worry, everyone we do this with goes through this" on the way to the hospital) and have this life-destroying dopamine/serotonin-blocking drug from Johnson and Johnson (to see how evil those rich people at J&J really are see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlX3fLQrEc 33 minutes 35 second mark - they are extremely rich and extremely evil - extremely).... I am looking for any substance that will bring any measurable amount of euphoria and energy.

I can't believe how hard it is to think and compile a post. They are so evil they pushed the industry to give this stuff to autistic kids of all things, as if those kids don't have it bad enough already.

No wonder psychiatrists are taught to medicate people with "schizophrenia" and "bi-polar" for life. Each injection costs 600-1000 dollars.

The dopamine hypothesis is straight up fraudulent. They made that up to justify using neuroleptics to chemically subdue people with troubles - and get paid for it. Some people CLAIM neuroleptics help them when not under duress (anyone saying that in a psych hospital is completely under duress - and they will use that for studies), but I have a strong feeling they are being tricked into thinking they help.
 

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Look how they work, this was the worst one:
First thing they do))
"Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden '?" - Playing dumb to cast confusion

The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"

Second)) cast doubt
The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!"

Third))
Sell the lie with truth mixed in.
5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Now you might wonder how this worked... They also mess with the way you feel. They make it so you can't think straight. Worse than being completely drunk. One of them convinced me he was God because he kept telling me what was about to happen and then he would make it happen. I knew the Scripture and knew God gives a Spirit of Peace and not a spirit of confusion or fear. And that is the process they used to trick me. Same one Satan used in the garden. They still come around trying to trick me sometimes but now I just remember - God gives a Spirit of peace not fear not confusion. I remember that God says what He means and means what He says - always. Still, they are SO good at what they do that until one of them gets you, you don't really have much of a fighting chance. It's like being in a gun-fight for the first time and your attacker has been murdering people since the first humans.

You might have noticed that a lot of humans act just like fallen angels. Satan's children (Jesus said not everyone is God's child - some people are children of Satan who speak their natural tongue when they lie while being unable to understand the truth: the truth is a foreign language to them). Many of them right over there at Johnson and Johnson, lying 24/7 while thinking they are wise.
 
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No wonder psychiatrists are taught to medicate people with "schizophrenia" and "bi-polar" for life. Each injection costs 600-1000 dollars.
WTF? Are you for serious? As in, that's your out of pocket cost for your medication?

Are you in the US? I'm boggling!
 

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WTF? Are you for serious? As in, that's your out of pocket cost for your medication?

Are you in the US? I'm boggling!
No it's not out of pocket. I was referring to the profit margins. I don't know how much each shot costs Johnson and Johnson, but I imagine it is less than 50$. I wouldn't be surprised if it is less than 10. Add in the fact that TONS of people are coerced or outright forced to take them, and you can see the incentive. They tell people that they have an incurable biological brain disorder (0 proof and plenty of evidence it is not the case) that will require them to be on neuroleptics for life, and even convince judges of this. Say the profit is 500$ per month per person (conservative estimate imo), see that this is an international market with a steady stream of new customers that will grow as fast as the population grows....

Anyone know about the tianeptine?
 
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tianeptine takes away the extreme restlessness and akathisia. No euphoria, even at high doses, but still useful. I recommend it for the ones who are struggling with this. It is cheap, too.
 

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So many people look for solutions to drugs in other drugs. The truth is a version of an old saying: one is too much and a thousand is never enough. Your body will heal best if it heals naturally.
 

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So many people look for solutions to drugs in other drugs. The truth is a version of an old saying: one is too much and a thousand is never enough. Your body will heal best if it heals naturally.
The effects of invega sustenna are extremely debilitating and akathisia is common. Outside of a miracle, drugs will be necessary to compensate. Check out the thread on coming off invega sustenna. You actually posted in it.
 

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No it's not out of pocket. I was referring to the profit margins. I don't know how much each shot costs Johnson and Johnson, but I imagine it is less than 50$. I wouldn't be surprised if it is less than 10. Add in the fact that TONS of people are coerced or outright forced to take them, and you can see the incentive. They tell people that they have an incurable biological brain disorder (0 proof and plenty of evidence it is not the case) that will require them to be on neuroleptics for life, and even convince judges of this. Say the profit is 500$ per month per person (conservative estimate imo), see that this is an international market with a steady stream of new customers that will grow as fast as the population grows....

Anyone know about the tianeptine?
Oh, phew. I was thinking, "No wonder they're so keen to get off this stuff!" I pay a lot for my medications, but some of the costs in the US... I honestly don't know how people with chronic health conditions manage to buy food or pay rent.

Working out the profit margins on a pharmaceutical is a bit tricky, because there's all sorts of factors involved that aren't readily transparent. They have to pay for research and testing (retrospectively) and royalties and any buyout of other companies (for example, the hep C medication that's making a lot of news at the moment was purchased from another company at an astronomical rate, and then priced very expensively to recoup the cost within a year). Then there's distribution and licensing - profit is only on top of that + a bazillion other costs.

I'm not implying that the pharma companies aren't making extreme profits off our backs, but there's a lot of people to be paid before it becomes pure profit.
 

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Well, when you look at neuroleptics like invega you have to consider that they are basically repackaging the same thing. Paliperadone is what resperidone metabolizes into. And all neuroleptics do the same thing basically. Not too much R&D going on there, I would imagine.

They are more than profiting. They are some of the most evil people to have ever lived. People like the Johnson and Johnson family are the reason 1 billion people live in destitute poverty and 22,000 kids will die of thirst or hunger tomorrow. The Earth is abundant in resources and overpopulation is not even a problem. The problem is some people took everything and don't want to share. Everyone on the planet could live like middle class Americans but that would be called "socialism" by the extremely rich people who call themselves Christians. In reality, they view it as all philosophical and couldn't care less what Jesus thinks and said He will do. Bush, for instance, said "we all pray to the same God, we just have different routes of getting to the Almighty." The exact opposite of what Jesus said. He said He is the ONLY Way anyone comes to the true God. They have never been baptized with the Holy Spirit. You are going to have to bare with me here (I know ur an atheist, but just entertain me so you can get a perspective). Now, He is very merciful, and I was directly told by an angel not to speak of His judgments and to speak of His mercy. But keep in mind, the people who get paid all that money to torture children with neuroleptics (they are making enough to feed every hungry person on the planet off of just that alone) constantly claim they are Christians (followers of Christ). And this is what the Holy Spirit ACTUALLY said (the Holy Spirit, who wrote the Word, IS the Spirit of Jesus):

Psalm 9:12
For He who requires blood remembers them; He does not forget the cry of the afflicted. (God requires blood for sin and always has: Jesus paid my price)

Proverbs 28:27
26He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But he who walks wisely will be delivered.27He who gives to the poor will never want, But he who shuts his eyes will have many curses.

Proverbs 21:13
13He who shuts his ear to the cry of the poor Will also cry himself and not be answered.

Luke 16
19“Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20“And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22“Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23“In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24“And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26‘And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

(All from the NASB - most accurate translation)

Now, put this in perspective. Over a billion people are living in complete agony while a tiny tiny group of people (less than half a percent of the US population) hoard EVERYTHING. They are enjoying every moment, drunk with power, and even taking the name of Yeshua Christ in vain while doing it. Look at Kenneth Copeland. He teaches that poor people are at fault for being poor because they are "opening the door to Satan" and that is why God does not prosper them. He teaches that we are all literal reincarnations of Christ, as in God on Earth. He lives in huge mansions and flies around in private jets while people are living in complete AGONY every single day - claims to be God on Earth - and then says the people in agony only have themselves to blame. He is Satanic in every aspect.

Christ is VERY merciful, and I don't want anyone to come under God's judgment, but some people just refuse to show mercy to others, to not condemn them, and to have compassion. And they do it all while claiming to follow Christ.

They say all those people suffering have themselves to blame, they don't lift a finger to help them when they could pull ALL of them out of suffering (children we are talking about here, you know, like the ones they get paid to torture with neuroleptics), they condemn them, judge them, and show no compassion. In fact, when it comes down to it - most of the time they CAUSED the suffering by pillaging them.

And they claim to follow Christ.

Well, here is the truth:

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned." - Luke 6:37

Christ is full of mercy. And it is true:
16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

But anyone who truly believes in Him CARES ABOUT HIM AND CARES ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING.

Here is what Christ said about personal responsibility:



I know, enough to write a thesis on right?

We were all born in sin, and no one chose to be. He literally died and went to Hell for 3 days to save us from sin! He is extremely merciful, He is extremely compassionate, He is extremely forgiving, and He Always Tells The Truth.

So considering what God's Word says, entertain the thought that Christ is real and His Word is true. How is this going to play out for people who have no regard for mercy when God is himself merciful, no regard for compassion when God himself is compassionate, and no regard for the suffering of the poor when God himself loves the poor enough to die for them? No regard for the cries of the poor and afflicted (around a billion) when God hears every last one of their cries?

That's right - they are not Christians. They are some of the most evil people to have ever lived. They are flying around in private jets they bought with money they made rigging studies so they could get paid to torment autistic kids with neuroleptics. Don't think they are that evil? Think again. Christ Himself said Satan is the ruler of this world. A fallen angel got control of it at the fall, and there is a war going on.

Sorry for the italics. I couldn't figure out how to undo it. Anyways, the people who own the major pharmaceutical companies (like Johnson and Johnson) completely ignore the cries of the poor. In fact - THEY ACTIVELY OPPRESS THEM!
 

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btw, the tianeptine is helping A LOT! Anyone going through this needs to get some. Just make sure to cycle to avoid addiction
 

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btw, the tianeptine is helping A LOT! Anyone going through this needs to get some. Just make sure to cycle to avoid addiction
thats good to hear.. ill be meeting with my doctor soon to talk about ect therapy... its been a little over 5 months since ive taken invega and while i dont feel as bad as i did 5 months ago im still messed up. Hope everyone else is improving
 

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The effects of invega sustenna are extremely debilitating and akathisia is common. Outside of a miracle, drugs will be necessary to compensate. Check out the thread on coming off invega sustenna. You actually posted in it.
Not. Your religiosity is only contrasted by your simple proclivity towards drugs.
 

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Hi Ho-Chi-Minh, when were you injected with Invega, and how many months did it take you to recover? Thanks! By the way, does any one have word how Notoinvega is holding up?
 

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It takes a while to recover from APs man. Everybody wants to know how long it takes, with good reason, but nobody is going to be able to answer you. You should see some improvement at 6 months another at 9 months and should feel signigicantly better after a year. Some people it takes longer than that. I'm almost a year in to my withdrawal from zyprexa and am beginning to come around. I still take seroquel though but am taking a break from withdrawing for a couple months. It was hell for almost a year. Hang in there buddy, you will get better, don't listen to anybody that will tell you otherwise. It just takes time.
 

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Thanks- jammin83 for your reply. Having a bit of a problem here- was injected march (117, 156, or 234), no longer having physical side effects - assuming akathisia, parkinsonism etc. but currently dealing with a matching set of symptoms to depersonalization/derealization since april- this has been the toughest on me considering 24/7 the world looks like a LSD trip and I'm losing a sense of identity, emotional comprehension etc. I am not sure if Invega directly caused this or Clonazepam acute withdrawal (since I was given that to calm the akathesia- only took 15 tabs) but it's pretty bad- pretty much detached from myself, detached from world. Any one has experience similar to this where an AP + Benzo combination triggered this type of psychological response?
 
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Don't take GABAergics in AP withdrawal. Some of the worst things you can take really. Just ride it out, as hard as it is. You will get better, it's natural to want to medicate the feelings it causes, but the best thing you can do is not use drugs. Magnesium and B12 helped me significantly. I will always supplement with magnesium from here on out. It gets hairy, I know, but just know you will get better. I doubted it, after a while, but I am improving. It just takes a long time.
 

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I found out too late. I took Benzos while going off Invega (was ill informed and didn't do enough homework because i was distraught). Not taking any currently now. - I think it triggered the depersonalization/derealization that I'm experiencing at present.- because of this condition it's hard to figure out whether or not i recovered from the Invega. I had been dp/dr'ed since April- almost all of the matching symptoms described:

http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/index.php?/topic/32446-dpdr-daily-symptoms/
[url]http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/index.php?/topic/44491-100-recovered-25-years-now-your-turn/

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