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Megathread Cancel Culture Discussion

Audiobook

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I think it's garbage to start canceling people just because we don't agree with everything they have to say.

Like sorry, I don't have to agree with everyone. Or agree with someone based on identity politics.

I can also still read Harry Potter and not be a bigot. Like staph lol.
 

JessFR

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I think it's garbage to start canceling people just because we don't agree with everything they have to say.

Like sorry, I don't have to agree with everyone. Or agree with someone based on identity politics.

I can also still read Harry Potter and not be a bigot. Like staph lol.

Here's the thing. The right to free speech is highly misunderstood (I speak from an American perspective here).

What free speech provides is you have a right to say pretty much whatever you want provided it's not a threat or slanderous against other people (and isn't rhetorical hyperbole or some other exception) without fear of the government coming and harming you either via life or properly.

It in no way guarantees you that the rest of society has to cooperate and participate in providing your megaphone, or in helping you get an audience.

If private companies don't wanna be associated with your speech because it's that repugnant, you don't have a right thay protects against that.

That's my view anyway. You have a right against legal repercussion, you have no right against social repercussion. If your horrible attitudes ostracize you from your peers, too bad.

And hey if you wanna argue that private enterprise has too much power. Fine, I can get on board with that, but the solution isn't letting them keep their monopoly and trying to regulate it, it's either to break the monopoly, or create a state alternative.
 

alasdairm

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indeed.



alasdair
 

Audiobook

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Here's the thing. The right to free speech is highly misunderstood (I speak from an American perspective here).

What free speech provides is you have a right to say pretty much whatever you want provided it's not a threat or slanderous against other people (and isn't rhetorical hyperbole or some other exception) without fear of the government coming and harming you either via life or properly.

It in no way guarantees you that the rest of society has to cooperate and participate in providing your megaphone, or in helping you get an audience.

If private companies don't wanna be associated with your speech because it's that repugnant, you don't have a right thay protects against that.

That's my view anyway. You have a right against legal repercussion, you have no right against social repercussion. If your horrible attitudes ostracize you from your peers, too bad.

And hey if you wanna argue that private enterprise has too much power. Fine, I can get on board with that, but the solution isn't letting them keep their monopoly and trying to regulate it, it's either to break the monopoly, or create a state alternative.
I never said anything like anyone has to listen to me or provide me a platform...or anyone a platform...so yea...

What I am saying is that when people start saying, “oh this person is totally bad and you should not interact with their stuff ever,” I question it. Because I think we all have a right to read what someone has to say and think for ourselves.

If people don’t wish to associate with me or interact with me fine. I don’t particularly want to interact with people who do not wish to interact with me anyways.

The same goes for everyone. No one has to interact with you or agree with you if they do not want to. No one owes ANYONE anything for the most part (like if you have kids you owe it to them to make sure they are taken care of for example, but that’s one of the few times).

I just don’t like people telling me who or what I can read or interact with. That’s what I am saying.
 

Audiobook

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Also Twitter and Facebook can of course ban whoever they want lol...I never said they could not.

Obviously they are private companies.

I’m not that stupid lol.
 

JessFR

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I never said anything like anyone has to listen to me or provide me a platform...or anyone a platform...so yea...

What I am saying is that when people start saying, “oh this person is totally bad and you should not interact with their stuff ever,” I question it. Because I think we all have a right to read what someone has to say and think for ourselves.

If people don’t wish to associate with me or interact with me fine. I don’t particularly want to interact with people who do not wish to interact with me anyways.

The same goes for everyone. No one has to interact with you or agree with you if they do not want to. No one owes ANYONE anything for the most part (like if you have kids you owe it to them to make sure they are taken care of for example, but that’s one of the few times).

I just don’t like people telling me who or what I can read or interact with. That’s what I am saying.

Ok that's reasonable. I'm not clear on how anyone was really telling you who you can interact with though. This was about Amazon and other private organizations refusing to work with an entity that they feel doesn't reflect their values.
 

Audiobook

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Ok that's reasonable. I'm not clear on how anyone was really telling you who you can interact with though. This was about Amazon and other private organizations refusing to work with an entity that they feel doesn't reflect their values.
On some platforms some people feel that they can tell others who to interact with or not.

That is what I am referring to.
 

Audiobook

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it seemed implied in "we all have a right to read what someone has to say".

who confers such a right?

alasdair
I never said someone has to allow it on a platform. Banning is of course valid if someone owns a platform.

People will find other platforms to say what they wish to say.

And what right do you have to tell me what I can and cannot read?

Maybe in some cases like child porn sure.

But other then that, what right do you have to restrict what I can and cannot read? Seems to me someone who is going to tell me that (I am more talking about an individual or a group of people) wants to control me for some reason.
 

JessFR

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it seemed implied in "we all have a right to read what someone has to say".

who confers such a right?

alasdair

Is that right not implicit by the right to free speech? I mean, if I can't choose to read what someone has to say, has their right to speech not been infringed then?

That said, we of course have no right to have that discourse in a specific place. And have no right to have a private party pay to facilitate it.
 

alasdairm

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i'm just trying to understand your position.

i think your question was, more specifically, "not you personally, buy you a company like twitter, what right do you have to tell me what i can and can't read?" is that correct?

well, i'm not telling you what you can and can't read. i'm telling you that you can't read it here.

alasdair
 

Audiobook

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i'm just trying to understand your position.

i think your question was, more specifically, "not you personally, buy you a company like twitter, what right do you have to tell me what i can and can't read?" is that correct?

well, i'm not telling you what you can and can't read. i'm telling you that you can't read it here.

alasdair
Ok. I never said I had a right to read it from any particular place so......yea.
 

JessFR

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Wow really intelligent response as usual... I guess you're generally in favor of tech giants having a monopoly on who gets to say what on the internet?

What happened to believing private businesses have the right to decide who they do business with?

That used to be a widely accepted belief among the right.
 
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