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Opioids Can anyone give tips on how to sleep during opiate/opioid withdrawal?

Xorkoth

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Clonidine helps with the RLS quite a bit. I don't find it as miraculous as some do but it certainly helps. Gabapentin, for me, is miraculous, though. Or even better, pregabalin (Lyrica).
 

OpiumWDsoldier

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Try high dose macuna pruriens and fo-ti. macuna gives you all the dopamine you need to stave off the RLS while fo-ti prevents the breakdown of said dopamine. anything added on that like those meds mentioned above or even kava and theanine will completely relax you and you wont be feeling the RLS.
 

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The RLS is the worst symptom to me by far (worst physical symptom anyway, the depression/anxiety/anhedonia are probably the worst). Never thought to try that. Also never heard of fo-ti, gonna look it up.
Yeah, the restlessness is terrific but dopamine indeed helps a lot. While depression is bad, I at least can just wait for the time to pass but when restless seconds turn into hours and at some point would do just everything to stop it which then of course leads to relapse.. Dopamine agonists help too, pramipexole also helps sleeping in higher dosages. Mucuna pruriens or L-DOPA must be similar. Fo-Ti is new for me too, the Chinese have quite a few interesting herbals. Recently tried polygala tenuifola (wu-weizi, contains a triple reuptake inhibitor and NMDA antagonist) but was disappointed, did absolutely nothing, will try higher doses to check it out.

A quick DuckDuckGo for Fo-Ti showed me the usual suspects of pseudoscience websites telling that it would be liver toxic specially in high doses and when used for long time, that the traditional use includes insomnia and fatigue, but nothing about the real mechanisms - do you know more @OpiumWDsoldier?
Also why do seemingly all of these interesting herbs come with hepatoxicity risk? With kava kava it's pretty clear that it wasn't the kava itself but impurities yet when sourcing lesser known herbals I don't know how to be sure that they are of good quality. Even with the RCs seemingly drug test agencies have problems identifying all the lesser common impurities and herbals are much more complex..

Edit: Can only confirm again that low-dose stimulant can be of great help for (minor) withdrawals or post-acute shit. Not for sleep obviously but to be active and then sleep naturally or with some other sleeping aids. Can't say whether this just defers PAWS though or if you can get away with the correct timing.
 
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You know, just in case the shit hits the fan and I gotta quit sooner than expected.
Imodium / Loperamide is an opioid, active at the 1mg dose level, and affordably available in 100×2mg bottles (CostCo is where I got mine). Please be aware that although Loperamide is an opioid, it is unable to cross the "blood/brain barrier" as is needed to cause activity at the μ-opioid receptors of the brain that affect the mind. But it is also quite effective at activating the μ-opioid receptors (and also some δ-opioid receptors) in the human gut that need some love to ensure that they remain useful for moving miniscule amounts of materials through at a slow speed, as well as limiting the nausea, bile production, and general inhumanity resulting from sudden cessation of availability of generally available Opioid agonist ligands!
also sip ice water slowly. Have a caretaker who cares about your well-being!
 

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Loperamide does cross the BBB but it's actively transported out of that by P-glycoprotein which makes it centrally inactive below extreme dosages like 20-60mg but be aware that while some indeed used it to get high, there is unknown toxicity and unknown, individually variable dosage window.

It's effective against some peripheral withdrawal shit, primarily diarrhea.
 

Junkhead89

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Currently going through withdrawal myself, and pregabalin (lyrica) has been an absolute lifesaver. That and clonidine taken about an hour before bedtime. I was amazed at how well I felt. I was highly skeptical, but damn lol it works miracles for me. Oh, and the occasional edible or a bowl helps while you're waiting for the nightly clonidine to kick in.
 
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FunctionalJnkieGrl

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just to respond to title
just work yo ass off until ya cant do no mo
wear yaself out physically

take a shower, fap (if ya can) and lay down. kinda works for me sometimes ymmv
Yep. I don't know what it is about withdrawals that makes my sex drive so insatiable that I'd rub myself raw. It wasn't a pleasant horniness though. It felt more like a compulsion. I guess that explains why I sleep-fondled myself during withdrawals after taking Ambien. If withdrawals make you horny somehow, then I guess Ambien will put your body on autopilot and let your innermost thoughts take the wheel. I guess I pulled a Roseanne Barr, blaming it on the Ambien and all. XD
 

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By the way, how long does it normally take before y'all start feeling the withdrawals creeping up? For me it's 24hrs after my last dose--probably since I only dose once every 24hrs.
 
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hylite

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Loperamide does cross the BBB but it's actively transported out
Now that I think about it (duh) Loperamide helped me through many times.

It is like an untold secret. And depending on the dosage it can be a godsend HOWEVER you CANNOT (BBB) take too much. Loperamide will never be a replacement. Just relief control.

Good luck it's easy !
 
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