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Are doctors with or against helping people continue their drug use?

Flynnal

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and one important area of harm reduction is preventing people being caught up in the legal system!

A doctor who allows that to happen would be a bit of a cunt but I’ve heard of it happening.

Yes, because this is Australia. Arrogance is the part'e de forte here with many doctors, law enforcement, you name it. Anyone in a position of authority here is just as likely to be as bad as anywhere in the world...just because. Is it psychopathic traits? I could never know what goes on in the mind of someone who does this to another human being, but perhaps these people were hurt as children and want to pass that hurt on to others, but maybe they are just naturally cunts - nothing surprises me any more.

I would not at all be surprised if the doctor who caused my recent mental breakdown would be more than happy to let that happen to me as well. After all, these things tend to go hand in hand. If they do something to hurt you in one way, they'll likely do something to hurt you in another way, too. But I don't care if I exposed the fact that I had Nembutal and she somehow finds out about it. She'll also find out that it got flushed, too.

Be careful.
 

Flynnal

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Did you speak to any doctors about your breakdown or are you dealing with it completely by yourself?

When I was in Gosford Hospital I did mention what had happened to the doctors/nurses that I saw. I'm not sure if they documented it or not, and they haven't followed up on it, and it's been nearly a week now. Perhaps they are just overwhelmed with other patients and I would also say the mental health side of things is also likely overwhelmed due to the COVID19 situation.

As I was about to be discharged, they did let me know that they wanted to send a mental health team to speak to me but it was up to me if I wanted to or not, but as it happened I'd already arranged a lift to get back home and do some food shopping, so unsure of what was to happen there.
 

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When I was in Gosford Hospital I did mention what had happened to the doctors/nurses that I saw. I'm not sure if they documented it or not, and they haven't followed up on it, and it's been nearly a week now. Perhaps they are just overwhelmed with other patients and I would also say the mental health side of things is also likely overwhelmed due to the COVID19 situation.

As I was about to be discharged, they did let me know that they wanted to send a mental health team to speak to me but it was up to me if I wanted to or not, but as it happened I'd already arranged a lift to get back home and do some food shopping, so unsure of what was to happen there.

you mentioned that you were having a mental health crisis - do you feel you want or need professional help with that? Usually the state hospital mental health teams send a nurse rather than doctor in the first instance. In my experience the nurses are quite caring and will give you a good listening to.
 

Flynnal

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do you feel you want or need professional help with that?

Perhaps, but I wasn't sure if this would ultimately help to ensure that no other patient would ever have to go through what I went through with that particular doctor, because that is where it all started. I don't know what relationships these people have with each other.

As for professional help, I'm not entirely sure if I can trust that they won't schedule me and I will be trapped somewhere I don't want to be. That is one of my fears. It was why I didn't tell that doctor at Wyong Hospital just how bad the situation was because I was terrified of being locked up and blowing what I thought was my only chance.

It's a tough situation.
 

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Perhaps, but I wasn't sure if this would ultimately help to ensure that no other patient would ever have to go through what I went through with that particular doctor, because that is where it all started. I don't know what relationships these people have with each other.

As for professional help, I'm not entirely sure if I can trust that they won't schedule me and I will be trapped somewhere I don't want to be. That is one of my fears. It was why I didn't tell that doctor at Wyong Hospital just how bad the situation was because I was terrified of being locked up and blowing what I thought was my only chance.

It's a tough situation.
You would only be scheduled if thought to be at serious risk of self-harm or harm to others. It’s actually pretty difficult to be scheduled involuntarily in NSW.
 

Flynnal

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You would only be scheduled if thought to be at serious risk of self-harm or harm to others. It’s actually pretty difficult to be scheduled involuntarily in NSW.

Hence why I was too scared to tell the doctor at the Wyong ED what would happen in the worst-case scenario. I was afraid she would not only refuse to treat me at all but that she would have had me sent to the psych ward. In hindsight none of that mattered and maybe I should have. I noted this for the next time a doctor fobs me off about something that could cause serious and permanent damage. Next time I won't hesitate. I learned my lesson.
 

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That's the thread similar to mine situation. I tried to convince my doc to provide me prednisolone but he refused.. He knew how badly I felt then but he refused anyway. And I suppose all people who were rejected by their docs weren't able to stop it, so weren't I. I've checked onlinevgraaustralia.net and ordered some more. But I try to use it less then ever before. It's just helping me to quit slowly.
 
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That's the thread similar to mine situation. I tried to convince my doc to provide me prednisolone but he refused.. He knew how badly I felt then but he refused anyway
Really? Refusing Prednisolone? Which sickness did you have at that time if I may ask?

JJ
 

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You would only be scheduled if thought to be at serious risk of self-harm or harm to others. It’s actually pretty difficult to be scheduled involuntarily in NSW.
That's really true, @Atelier3, just if you could harm yourself or others and this means also threatening or something the can get you to a Psych-Ward. I have that problem with my neighbour. She is totally crazy, calles the police because I would torture my cats with the hoover and she sent me the Firemen 2 times because my flat would burn. Nothing burned!!! I could tell you thousand things I cannot do anything against her. So why should you be sent to a Psych-Ward?

JJ
 

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Switch to plugging, or tell your doc about the nasal issue without mentioning drug use. Fuck having drug use on your medical record, I wish we had that opt out option in the US.

I would only tell a doc about drug use if it was absolutely critical knowledge to have in order to save my life. Or if I knew the knowledge would never leave the doc's office.
Here in Austria we have the opt-out-option since years and I did it immediately when it started, so no doctor knows because of your card what you are getting prescribed.

JJ
 

JoEhJoEh

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When I was in Gosford Hospital I did mention what had happened to the doctors/nurses that I saw. I'm not sure if they documented it or not, and they haven't followed up on it, and it's been nearly a week now. Perhaps they are just overwhelmed with other patients and I would also say the mental health side of things is also likely overwhelmed due to the COVID19 situation.

As I was about to be discharged, they did let me know that they wanted to send a mental health team to speak to me but it was up to me if I wanted to or not, but as it happened I'd already arranged a lift to get back home and do some food shopping, so unsure of what was to happen there.

Why should they follow up a mental breakdown? Everybody can have that also non-druggies. The psych-wards were full with people when they "just" have that diagnose. I had one physical and mental breakdown too, a few months ago and now I told my GP I want to go to a psychosomatic rehab which he appreciated. But YOU are free to decide in that case.

Don't fear them - this diagnose is totally normal for them - it happens every day to billions of people.

JJ
 

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I would rather dr it out myself or just call it quits for ROA.

Don't metion drug use to a dr, except incase of an OD and such.
Please always tell the doc about drug use otherwise he can't help you properly or harm you unpurposely! The are not allowed to talk about that to others and there is no way they send you to a special treatment or something.

JJ
 

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It felt wrong, and I felt violated when I basically had to yell "I'm ON ANTIPSYCHOTICS!!!" to 2 other people in the room. Yet he has a point, I knew he could probably fire me if I couldn't stay awake at work. So luckily I was able to quit before they fired me. Miss that job, mostly the people and amazing benefits and pay.

From the law you don't have to tell anybody what mental problems you have or if you are on antipsychotics. Every third colleague of you probably was. It is YOUR thing and there is no law that forces you to tell anybody your mental problems.

JJ
 

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Will that occur in your new Dream Job? Any updates??
Sometimes it helps to tell your boss BEFORE you get other meds. You will not believe how many are really nice and thank you for your honesty. If then really something happens during working time like sleeping away or something then he knows it is because you have new meds and you will not get problems.

JJ
 

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Sometimes it helps to tell your boss BEFORE you get other meds. You will not believe how many are really nice and thank you for your honesty. If then really something happens during working time like sleeping away or something then he knows it is because you have new meds and you will not get problems.

JJ
True, and I knew that, yet I had no other option. He was basically saying I was getting high before work... (which was true)... but I had to say something in that situation. I would have been fired either way. The guy was the ultimate asshole.
 

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if i go visit a doctor and tell her i possibly built up a scar tissue on my upper nasal cavity, preventing absorption of meth, and if theres something she can do to fix it

idk if shell be like "oh well your doing a drug, and there for i cant help you"

or if she will?

has anyone tried this let me know
Of course she will. She has to. And she can help you much better if she knows what's going on. Believe me.

JJ
 

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if i go visit a doctor and tell her i possibly built up a scar tissue on my upper nasal cavity, preventing absorption of meth, and if theres something she can do to fix it

idk if shell be like "oh well your doing a drug, and there for i cant help you"

or if she will?

has anyone tried this let me know
I’ve a good friend who’s a Plastic Surgeon. He fixes noses, along with other body parts, for a living. We’ve discussed this very topic.
I don’t know where you’re located, but here in the US if you want a surgery to remove scar tissue from your nose, but your breathing is not being affected, and you are not experiencing other medically significant symptoms, your intranasal revision would likely be referred from an ENT specialist to a Plastic Surgeon for revision. It would also be considered not medically necessary and you’d have to pay out of pocket.
My friend does his fair share of intranasal revisions, usually as the result of previous nose jobs or damage caused by drugs. He occasionally has mentioned taking a bit of cartilage from the ear and rebuilding a nasal septum due to destruction as the result of coke abuse. And I’ve no room to talk, I did coke from 2000-2010.
 

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I'm moving this to Drug Culture. It's not really a Harm Reduction issue. In the United States, a doctor will most certainly not help you in such a way just because your favored route of administration is busted. They will fix a deviated septum, but they wont respond in the way you're hoping them to.
 

Fiori di Bella

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Myself being a prime example. I could have lost my life. That's how fucking bad this problem is and it needs to stop.
Flynnal,
I’m going to say this because for awhile I have been reading your story and posts and I think it’s time to speak up and say I feel you’re grossly misrepresenting your situation.

First, no decision that the doctor at the ER made endangered your life. You made that decision that if you lost the hearing in one of your ears you would commit suicide. Again, let’s be 100% clear, your life was never in danger, except by your own hand. And you claimed the ER doc did everything wrong and should have known better. I suspect your medical knowledge was not obtained at medical school. I’m sure that ER doc didn’t make her decision lightly and hey, what do you know? Your hearing improved based upon her decision-making and prescribed treatment regimen!

Furthermore, as a urology nurse having tended to hundreds, and possibly over 1,000 infant circumcisions at this point in my life, the main reason infants cry inconsolably is due to being put on the circumcision board and having their limbs immobilized with Velcro. They hate lying flat as they’re used to being swaddled in blankets and being curled in their mother’s (or father’s) arms. Doctors use either a local nerve block, lidocaine gel, or a combination of both before any circumcision is undertaken. Thus, your statements about trauma about “having witnessed extreme abuse against an infant” are absolute bullshit in my book. You undoubtedly saw an infant screaming during the course of a routine infant circumcision, or perhaps a bris, which happens to millions of baby boys in the US every year. And guess what? They’re all screaming, until they get back into the arms of a loved one.

Flynnal, you’re choosing to be a victim and spend inordinate amounts of time and energy on this ER doctor’s supposed malpractice issue and your trauma from “witnessing extreme abuse” from an infant undergoing circumcision.

I replied to your “My Story” post in TDS because I thought your complaint might have real merit. But it quickly became infinitely clear, after seeing your comments here and more recently on different threads over the past few weeks, that you don’t seem to wish to move on and are instead choosing this victim mentality. If you wish to continue with this, don’t expect people like your parents to understand and be accepting of your views. Utilize your energy to move on, I implore you. You will be infinitely happier in the end. All this bad energy can’t be good for you!
 
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