amanitas I think is the last drug (other than various obscure and newer RCs) other than iboga(ine) and datura (and neo-traditional ayahuasca / not counting other than DMT and a pharmaceutical MAOI) that I didn't do when I was in the mode of gotta try them all; notice a bit of commonality, I was always a bit intimidated by plant drugs due to their inherent unpredictability of dose, etc. (I wasn't really that fond of psilocybe spp. "shrooms" either although I did have some nice experiences particularly combined with MDMA, but I infinitely prefer synthetic psilocybin or esters or analogues, some of which I genuinely really enjoyed.)
amanita spp. also from the trip reports I've read (although it was a long, long time ago since I read them; ca. turn of the century Erowid I think) didn't sound all that appealing although some people seemed to enjoy it, but "some people seem to enjoy" just about anything and everything.
tbh I am vaguely considering trying a psychedelic (it would be probably an asymmetrical psilocybin analogue) again but I'm quite sure it would bring up a lot of "stuff" for me some of it quite traumatic and dramatic, fortunately I have plenty of abort buttons available although those drugs are so light I can't see getting into trouble at reasonable doses. 2C-Me (2C-D) I might try again, too. dunno if I'd try acid again, I kind of feel like it's battered wife tbh
Can't blame you for that, a lot of the reports online definitely don't make them sound that fantastic, and I agree that the dosage variability is somewhat of a concern. I should say too that for me Amanita muscaria is miserable, way too physical in a way that totally detracts from the experience at any sort of significantly psychoactive dose. Amanita pantherina, however, I actually love. My only complaint about it is the nausea at the beginning, but it's not unlike plenty of psychedelics I would still gladly use in this way. After that passes I have no side effects on it at all except sometimes a bit of a heart rate increase and tremors again not unlike a psychedelic, and the trip is much stronger than the muscarias have ever been able to push through to for me.
If you ever get a chance to try it in a good set and setting and all that, I would definitely recommend it, with a reasonable dose of course. Be aware that it is quite powerful, even for someone with hallucinogenic experience. The danger mostly seems to come from the fact that the headspace is both very manic and trippy like a psychedelic and also very anxiolytic and delirious like alcohol, there have been times on it where I definitely felt like I was a lot more normal than I actually was, though I've never been not aware of the fact that I was tripping on it so far. The sensory experience it provides is also somewhat in between alcohol and psychedelics for me, as it does provide some spins but they are in no way uncomfortable like they are on alcohol, they actually continue to increase until they start breaking reality into colorful patterns between them, and in the meantime there is also some patterning on surfaces and bits of synesthesia here and there, though notably they tend to be slightly different from psychedelics, things like more like tasting colors as opposed to seeing music (a very basic comparison but I think you get what I mean), and the closed eye visuals can actually be quite complex and structured. As for the type of euphoria they provide me, I would say that it's most like the feeling that psychedelics give me that also overlaps most with a strong opioid high, if that makes sense, and it does have a bit of an analgesic effect as well. Honestly, I think of it as one of the greats, though if I had the option I would definitely still go with pure muscimol instead, particularly in the hopes of avoiding that nausea.
Did you have any particular tryptamines in mind? Not to a push a totally new substance on you, but 4-HO-EPT is a good old asymmetrical psilocybin analogue that I honestly have a hard time picturing ever getting particularly dark. Even though at the higher dose I've taken so far there was a bit of a scattered mind in the come up, once the peak hit it was totally relaxed again, no confusion or disorientation or anything, just peaceful meditation and great closed eye visuals. The peak doesn't last very long either, and afterwards there's a good bit of relaxed euphoria that starts to kick in. Of course, since barely anyone has taken this one yet, my one opinion may not necessarily apply very much to people in general, though I know that TheAppleCore found it to have some of these same properties.
Yes but does taking more present some physical or otherwise non-avoidable terror causing phenomena or is it simply where it takes you down the rabbit hole? I ended up doing 100mg+ in the span of two hours so it's not like I didn't go far out effects wise, it was pretty damn strong. But again, the reports of it had me expecting some kind of sinister vibration effect to take hold and cosmically shake me down or something. Instead I was simply taken to a whole new level of insight into the reality of the phenomenon we call human beings. Seeing that who we believe ourselves to be is a total and complete fabrication, that we are controlled and bred just as we breed cows, etc etc. Total realization and unplugging from the Matrix. And that in itself is a terror. I watched my entire life and idea of being disintegrate - watch being incorrect, as I had to push, see, accept, push, see, accept - along with any illusions of society and existence in totality. But you can understand. So is that it?
1.5hr later edit: I'm finding it next to impossible to fall asleep. It's been 6.5 hours since I last ingested DPT so I know it's not side effects. What I've seen tonight is so deeply troubling that I just literally cannot fall asleep. I laid in bed the past hour and a half, even did some self massage - which holy shit, I need a real one, it released so much - and it's just not coming. Never before have I been unable to fall asleep for this reason. Everything is changed forever for psy997.
I've definitely known some people to describe a psychedelic-atypical feeling of fear on DPT at doses that weren't even hallucinogenic yet. Perhaps some people are simply sensitive to this effect while others are not, as with all things. I've also known many people to take massive doses equivalent to a DMT breakthrough and describe them as nothing but entirely smooth and euphoric.
Of course, what you described I could certainly see some people describing as dark or sinister. To me it just sounds like the truth.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Hope it doesn't rob you of sleep for too long.
It's nothing more than a sensory descriptor for me, not implying either good or bad. I wouldn't trade it for any other taste.
Anybody have any good muscimol experiences lately?
