Zopiclone with Meth. combo sensible?

[40713]

Zopiclone with Meth. to decrease anxiety?

Hi,

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first, sorry, now before Submit'ting to post, I noticed my whole post got a bit well long..guess most wont bother reading all that, which may not be too important or relevant anyway, so heres a shortened/ TL;DR version to hopefully cover the essentials I think:

Is Zopiclone and Methamphetamine generally safe to combine, and if possible to what degree?
Zopiclone to relieve anxiety while smoking meth., good idea? Then 5-15mg Zopiclone may be fine, what about more if increased anxiety demands it.. bad idea and certain amnesia so should be avoided?
Worthwhile using Zopiclone as an anxiolytic in the first place like this, in lack of other options (proper benzos)?
I think so, from my little testing so far, but unsure if I got better for other reasons than the Zopiclone (doubt that though)..
so I'd like to continue using Zopiclone/Imovane for anxiety-relief while smoking meth, if that should work and be fairly safe, atleast aslong as I don't dose the Z too high and get those common undesired side-effects like doing crazy stuff and getting amnesia....
Would apprecciate any input regarding (any) stimulants + Zopiclone (brand name: Imovane) combination, Zopiclone for panic-/anxiety in itself, or anything related or what whoever feels appripriate to add..
THanks in advance anyway for any input!
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I think Im bothered by different types of anxiety (?) when smoking meth lately, resulting in that Im overly focusing on my breathing somehow, not sure if its shortness of breath or something.. for apparently randomly occuring periods I just have to sit focusing on each of my breaths..
not sure if that can even be called "anxiety" but..
another thing is that I may be overly aware of and fearing of my heart and pulse, and also think I feel strange sensations and pains in my chest and head some times, and just get really nervous of stroke or heart attack or something (Im using alone in secrecy so Id be in trouble if such happened..).. hopefully unfounded and stupid anxiety though, but its ruining my high as I often unavoidably end focusing on and worrying about such things.

I currently dont have any proper Benzodiazepine drugs to try alleviate such. However I hope to get that soon, then I'll hopefully be experimenting with 0.25 - 1 mg. Alprazolam (Xanax), or Etizolam, in combo with meth, which sounds much more promising. Or anyone else know something that should be even better? I mean not for the comedown, but During the meth-high, mostly to quench what I suspect is anxiety.
Also considering Diazepam, Clonazepam, Etizolam, Flunitrazepam, or even Quetiapin (Seroquel) to help with different aspects of comedown or possibly bad situations like anxiety, as Ive heard they all have some nice benefits in different ways... I don't really know much at all about these drugs tho, just lately reading a little about them in places such as here on BL.
I think I read somewhere that Alprazolam (Xanax) should be a very good all-round pill, mostly and perhaps best of those options for anxiety, but also effective for sleep, and may cover most of what I need and be my best choise.

Lately using meth at all hasnt been very pleasurable at all, as I frequently for most of the time or atleast long periods become bothered by anxiety instead of enjoying the high, and ends up just wanting it to end asap and be able to sleep and regret I ever dosed.. Hopefully Alprazolam/Xanax can aid with this in the future then, if I stupidly continue using meth and just suppress these signs as Im sure I should listen to.. may just try a break/quit because of it actually, but until then I'd love some relief like this, if it works as I hope.


But for now I only have one "benzo-like" pill that I think may work to some degree for atleast reducing anxiety to some degree, but is unsure of whether its worth playing around with too much, even for the possibly low anxiolytic effect it may have. It's Zopiclone , brandname Imovane , in 5mg pills.
It may be the same or similar to what's called Lunesta (eszopiclone) in the USA.

It's a "Z-drug" I think I read somewhere altho personally I duno what that means.. and that it's mainly a hypnotic that is usually prescribed for insomnia.
(not really a "benzo", but "cyclopyrrolone" according to Wikipedia).
I have tried it a few times the past days in low dose (~2.5 - 7.5mg), and it was quite pleasant the little while that I was awake on it before sleep and it definitely helped me sleep quickly and seems very good for that use.

Over the past hours now Ive taken half 5mg pills 3 (or 4.. ) times, so a total of about 7.5mg (or 10mg, if i remembered wrong.. unsure) of Zopiclone while smoking Methamphetamine.
May worth adding that I earlier today ate a Grapefruit & Pomelo fruits which apparently may inhibit the CYP3A4 enzyme from metabolizing Zopiclone to some degree and actually lead to me having higher dose than what I think.. not sure about this tho, and even if or to what degree this affects Zopiclone.
I read on the english Wikipedia page for Zopiclone and it didn't mention CYP3A4 metabolism, but on the Norwegian Wiki-page for Zopiclone it does, and says Zopiclone is metabolized by CYP3A4.. Not sure if to trust this or not, as it seems weird not included in the main english page.. here's a google-translate'd version of the Norwegian Wikipedia page for Zopiclone (it says under Interactions)
And while not completely alleviated, I think the Zopiclone I have taken so far did help for my anxiety and I can enjoy the anxiety-free high and continue dosing the meth again now it seems..

Ive read several places discussing its use for anxiety, where most discourage it for different reasons.. often because its mainly a hypnotic, meant for sleep, and can easily cause the user to "sleep walk" and do crazy stuff and suffer amnesia, and also induce hallucinations/visuals. But I think that's usually only a problem in fairly high doses (I mean compared to doses Ill take, for anxiety)
Wikipedia page for Zopiclone also lists "anxiety" as one of the 'less common' adverse reactions which made me a lil hesitant.. but not sure if applicable to my use, and hoping it will still have anxiolytic effect on me, as I want to abuse it for.

I also found a post or two somewhere on BL where someone used it to "take the edge off" when using Cocaine, and have read that it is indeed an anxiolytic, but a weak one at that..

so I guess it has the potential to help with meths anxiety and is a safe combo, aslong as I dont take too much of it..


Have anyone else ever experimented much with this drug Zopiclone (brandname Imovane in my country (in north Europe)), especcialy interested if in combination with any stimulants or to treat anxiety? It seems finding exact combo of Zopiclone and Methamphetamine may be hard/impossible, but I guess reports of combined used of Zopiclone/Imovane with other amphetamine or cocaine is more likely and should hopefully be just as valid..

Also if anyone know what "max" dose I should stay away from to avoid "sleepwalking" and amnesia, if even possibly to guess what would be for most people, it'd be nice.. altho subjective, hopefully is some kinda rough limit.. for now Ive set mine to a maximum of 15mg Zopiclone for anxiety-relief (considering taking another 5-10mg for sleep,if I really need that then), so if I get more anxiety from continuous use of Methamphetamine.. I'll continue upping my Zopiclone dose to reach 15mg total in my body, hoping that will help, but thinking it will have to be my limit for now anyway as I fear doing something crazy and amnesia and all, and guess I can't go any higher without that at big risk... or maybe even 15mg will be too much.. but hopefully not...


from 7.5mg or 10mg of Zopiclone (after grapefruit/pomelo which may have some interaction..) Im pretty dizzy and I think my legs feel heavy and all.. not sure of mental state, but it seemed that I could talk without others noticing im on something, so far atleast. Im just wondering if Im even having some slight or starting visuals from this just recently... a little maybe, or starting..mayb.

Im not even sure the Zopiclone was what stopped most of my anxiety now really.. or if it just naturally dissipated for some other reason. I don't think so though, I think the Zopiclone did help.
So I got some more ready here while smoking meth incase I need more. Hopefully it'll be pretty safe with this combo, and trying to find a "max point" where Ill have to limit myself anyway to hopefully avoid the amnesic sleepwalking, if possible,while just maximizing its anxiolytic potential


was just hoping anyone had any input in any way, regarding this combination, Zopiclone/Imovane and/or Methamphetamine or other stimulants, anxiety,panic, or anything in between. Been googling and searching around in different ways and didn't find much on this yet despite Zopiclone having been around awhile and is popular. Guess its a stupid thing to use for anxiety like this but.. it's all I got for now and would like to use if possible as its the only somewhat of an anxyolytic I have available now anyway.. and hopefully if using it further like this, to do it in the safest way possible with least risk then.



also in the end..offtopic but- isn't it better to generally use the real chemical names (such as Alprazolam) instead of brand names (such as Xanax) when commenting on them where people from different places discuss, as brand names change from country to country while the chemical name seems international and always the same? Just wondered.. seems easier if everyone just think of the chemical name (if thats what it is?), instead of the ever-changing brand names!?



Thanks in advance anyway.. sorry for alot of text and possibly some incoherent bad foreign english full of typos... 8(

cheers, thx again in advance for any replies and input anyway, and happy holidays folks

 

[bunge]

Im prescribed zopiclone and im dependent on them, which I cant stress enough is not a situation you want to end up in. its a.very subjective drug and some people get great effects (me.lol) while others hate them. I find its a very powerful anxiolytic and will definately take the edge off your anxiety but the problem is when your body gets used to this, which takes a surprisingly small amount of time, you will get bad rebound anxiety as the drug leaves your system. Which you will take more zopiclone to combat and the cycle begins. If your getting these problems with stimulants then its your bodys way of telling you to take a break, masking this with hypnotics will not help you in the long run and infact can leave you with lasting mental problems. I know this from bitter experience. diazepam would be better all round for the anxiety but is still highly addictive. However if your goring to do the zopiclone then stay at 10mg or less a day to minimize unwanted side effects. Hope this helps!

 

[shreddedlettuce]

You are just building a tolerance to the Zopiclone, and when you do want it to work....it won't.
Would you consider taking the meth orally?
It eliminates the jittery feeling you are trying to avoid by taking the Zopiclone.

Smoking meth is fiendish as it is, having the zopiclone to help you is just making you smoke more (you take it, it calms you, but now you want that rush again, and the cycle continues).

I must be honest, I didn't read your whole post, but I do know both meth and zopiclone very well.
I don't do meth anymore, but I do use zopiclone to help me sleep,
I take one 7.5mg if I can't sleep and it works every time.

Please try to stop smoking meth and try it orally if you have to use it at all.
If you need to take a downer to help you smoke, it's kinda telling you that smoking isn't comfortable for you. But that is just my take on the situation.

 

[blight12]

Those Z drugs where more addictive and damaging/dangerous to me then meth ever has been. Combining the two really does not seem beneficial in any way, and having much experience with both I cant see anything positive coming from it, but I dont have any specific experience with it so...

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

There are many indications that, even though they were originally marketed as "non-addictive", the z-drugs are just as addictive as the benzodiazepines they were intended to replace...

 

[motiv311]

I have had issues with combining Ambien, or Sonata with Adderall in the past... Yes they combine well... and yes its generally safe (untill you either get addicted to them, or do something stupid and recklas)

 

[40713]

hey, thanks for your answer!

Not sure how many and much I started with, maybe 7.5-10mg earlier today that I all consumed within short time (few hours), I think all in half-pill increments- in small doses, but within short time (I guess 30-120 min in between), before I reached desirable effect in regards to the anxiety I had felt, that had then mostly dissipated and made me dear smoke more meth.
Maybe it seemed weird taking such small dose increments (half 5mg pills, 2.5mg doses..), but I was just afraid of its undesirable side-effects that supposedly can happen fairly easily with Zopiclone, and that its a hypnotic and not really anxiolytic, it's just one of its "side features" I think, wasnt sure it worked sufficiently for it like this., and just wanted to reach the point where my anxiety for bearable, so started with just a half 5mg pill, which wasnt enough.. and kept increasing. I think its easy to notice the increases as each dose quickly made me a little more dizzy and different every time.
At first I didn't consider using more meth either as I was already too bothered by anxiety, and would just be happy to be done with the anxiety with this. But as pretty much all anxiety disappeared and this seemed to work well, I decided to smoke more meth.. and this didnt seem to cause a problem with more anxiety.. atleast not yet, so Ive kept toking happily without noteworthy anxiety any more :D

But thats many hours ago I first started with now, and that initial dose(s) is prolly partly out of my system or much weaker by now, but Ive been taking further half of 5mg pills every few hours or so since, starting shortly after I first got anxiety-free and started smoking more meth , just with more time in between...not really required as I havent been bothered much more with bothersome anxiety really, just kinda to keep the anxiety at bay and hoping to prevent it coming back..
Now Ive just taken another half 5mg pill (so just about ~2.5mg per dose) every few 1-4 hours or so, hoping its enough, a good idea, and that anxiety wont return.. while Im smoking my meth. I get a touch of anxiety now and then actually.. but very little and not too bothersome so far atleast.. afraid of taking too much Zopiclone and think Ive already taken a good bit in total, even tho spaced over many hours, so wont dare ingesting a big dose again within short period to properly rid of all anxiety either. I mean a dose as I initially required (10-15 or so)..
Not sure if such tiny doses at once as Ive been taking is even worthwhile, lol, as I needed 10-15mg initially to stop my anxiety.. But I imagine it gives me atleast some anxiolytic effect continuously.. maybe some buildup even, totalling more than what I think too,maybe.. but seems to keep anxiety away (if its even for this reason..) without having to take bigger doses. Maybe I should space out taking these small doses even more to avoid it becoming a too big dose due to potential risk of build-up if I unknowingly take them too frequently....

Hm, think I'll actually stop taking any more such small doses now.. atleast until anxiety eventually get really bad again and Ill feel forced to take more to stop the potential anxiety, presumably 10-15mg will be well enough for me then, as it did the first time earlier today. And if happens, will probably take that dose to benefit sleep and just goto bed then., incase Id have a undesired high buildup of the drug from these previous doses througout the day or something incase I could be nearing a risky amnesic dose then, as Im so afraid of.. - dosing in secrecy, but living with a parent who's unaware of my drug-use, so Im very nervous of doing some crazy,dangerous,embarrasing, bizarre things, or even something dangerous, suddenly and which is out of my control and that I wont remember:x lol
Hopefully im just overly paranoid and exaggerating the risk though.. could be.. I havent taken all that much anyway I think..
May be Ill just try a tiny dose(s) again to start with if I get more anxiety then, and slowly build up.. at expense of suffering some anxiety before reaching goal.

Hoping to just get as much anxiolytic as I need from this without crossing that scary line and get a blackout, which apparently is quite easily crossed even without huge doses with this drug, according to some reports.. hopefully being careful (?) and waiting 1-4hours atleast between tiny doses should be enough to never reach such high concurrent build-up.. afraid to rather take repeated bigger doses (10-15 mg. (+?)) even if spaced out more, hoping many small ones could be better like that, if its enough.. really no idea whats best, or if these small doses stretched over long time is even worth it!

Or think it'd be better to just wait until anxiety become strong again and the anxiolytic effect weakening off, then take 10-15mg more at once?.. and just wait till next time that becomes an issue (hopefully atleast 6-12 hours between those happenings.. and unlikely to be a problem at all as I may sleep before that) I mean instead of taking many small doses spread over time..
Maybe stupid but, usually before another hit of meth Ive just taken a lil dose now and then at fairly irregular times when I expect/fear anxiety or think I feel a little of it, in fear that its emerging and getting worse..
seems to have worked decently so far atleast, if its even that taht did it=P no overwhelming anxiety atleast all this time while smoking lotta meth, and Im enjoying the meth as I used to so far.
Not too bothered by Zopiclone's sideeffects either, tho it's quite pronounced I think.. not sure how to realize and define the mental part of it much, if its much affected even, but otherwise Im pretty dizzy/drowsy and my body feels pretty heavy.. and this taste in my mouth, but I dont think its all that bad as Ive read many complain about. Not really bothered much by any of it right now though as Im just sitting still infront of the computer and playing games between smoking meth and taking these Zopiclones occasionally now%)


I''ll try take your advice and stay away from it most of the time, or much at all, and avoid getting anywhere near regularly, then.
Will just keep dosing some more for this session as needed, possibly continuously (no sleep) for a day or two taking 2.5mg-5mg every few 3-4+ hours or so, maybe.. depends. Or maybe Ill take advantage of these pills real intention and go to sleep tonight instead just letting the meth weaken off a bit first and that should work, even tho I when doing that rarely sleep for very long or anything.. unless Im on strong meth anymore I should atleast fall asleep easily with this
I love going to bed after having taken these pills, especcialy when sober (just thses pills) to notice it extra much- very pleasant state, and just closing my eyes and before I know it Im asleep, even if I didn't really feel all that sleepy. Really fast sleep onset I think, very nice for that!

I don't really need these drugs (or anything else) normally/medically though, for insomnia or anything else.
Just became easily available to me somehow, and in lack of benzos took advantage of their nice sleep-inducing effect after using meth, which helped a good bit some times. I recently read more about them and found out about this little anxiolytic effect in them.. at the same time meth started giving me unbearable anxiety every time, so figured I'd try use these like other benzos for their anxiolytic effect, as I had no other drugs with any anxiolytic effect, hopefully avoiding the apparently common amnesia/blackouts that may occur in more or less high doses with this one, if I just use them sparingly.. and seems to have been a success and worked well for me atleast, and very happy it worked so well and all=)
I guess these sideeffects, drowsiness,heavy bodyload and prolly a bit different some ways arent That bad.. and a nice payoff to still use stimulants without the unbearable anxiety I used to get lately. Atleast seems nice so far, and think Ill remain positive for this as a backup-solution in lack of other alternatives to suppress anxiety, aslong as I continuously manage to avoid blackout and crazy stuff that apparently can happen easily with this drug.....
Im not sure how much it matters or influence eachother, but I'd guess a severely sleep-deprived messed up state if being up for many days on meth. could be a really bad thing in combination with high doses too.. with strong visuals and messed up state from the meth and lack of sleep alone..while dosed long on such a hypnotic.. I guess I shouldnt stretch it too far this time in fear of doing something stupid or something in that state, especcialy if I were to have such a "blackout" ontop of that.. don't really know what its all about but, would guess it could be pretty bad lol8(


And thanks for warning,
Will try hard to resist dosing more if I get rebound anxiety then.
I dont have school/job or anything atm, so I think that should go well.. if anything I'll just suffer thru it then, I think I'd manage.. knowing I can't give in to the craving to just take more to rid the anxiety, as itd surely just get even worse later?, and that its just temporary, if I get thru that or few days I'll hopefully be back to normal afterwards then..
Maybe Im just lucky with some weak kind of anxiety, Im not even sure its really anxiety its just from stuff Ive read online, so I don't know how eventual other people's anxiety would compare either.. but I never had something completely debilitating and constant thru the whole day.. usually just something Im forced to focus on for 10-30min or so that seems to happen randomly, and disappear suddenly, not sure if I can "forget" it if I find something to distract myeslf with or.. how it works.. but atleast for me, luckily, my anxiety is probably not the worst kind in the first place either, just becomes very annoying at times as Im just focusing on that over long periods, and recently it seems to be triggered, and a strengthened when using meth.
Hopefully wont ever get that bad, so think I'll manage and will just expect it and push myself thru some bad days at the worst then.. hopefully this fun time with meth and dosing Zopiclone so many times to prevent anxiety will have been worth it then..


Hoping for sessions with meth like this to be very rarely (if at all) in the future too, and then hopefully with proper anxiolytic benzos, although I still havent nor see any of those in sight.. so for now atleast its these Zopiclons.. hopefully I can continue taking advantage of its little anxiolytic part while Im smoking meth without seeing any its other unwated sideeffects like amnesia and crazy unconcsious sleepwalking or such, which is what I fear the most8(
Hopefully only small 2.5-5mg dose increments every few hours or by need will be enough, and rest of the night to keep anxiety at bay, and wont ever be too much to make me do some crazy stuff and forget all about it that Im so afraid of (guess its hard to imagine how that is like, or when to know Im near stepping into that territory.. but sounds scary, and possibly dangerous and also embarrasing in some situations that I really really wanna avoid happening..

Just talked to another guy who said he knew Zopiclone/Imovane, and said aslong as I keep below 30mg I should be fine (in regards to blackouts).. dont think Id ever take that much at once atleast anyway, and hopefully my small dose increments will be enough for the anxiety for rest of the session now and wont "build up" in some way while feeling much weaker..

But atleast in the start when I got bad anxiety after starting to smoke meth, 5 or 7.5mg may not have been enough to suppress the anxiety sufficciently (not sure tho.. maybe I should have been more patient and analyzing..)
Hopefully wont have to take that much at once again, and will as said just do small 2.5 - 5mg increments if I feel any anxiety coming on, to hopefully be sufficient to stop it, for the rest of this night and hope that will be fine without taking too much unneccessarily, and hopefully decrease chanse of adverse effects as much as possible while being able to take advantage of its anxiolytica.

If this goes fine further tonight, and other times will be comparable in regards to strength of anxiety.., then next time Ill start with immediate 10mg dose (possibly increase to 12.5-15 mg. if needed...) next time aswell, as I think thats the point needed to end the anxiety I had, atleast, and will assume is my personally needed starting point to rid of anxiety with Zopiclone.. then just taking 2.5mg - 5mg increment doses every 4-6 hours or so as needed will hopefully work and be sustainable to keep a good regular mood and anxiety-free meth-high throughout then.. maybe Ill get anxiety again if I just dose as low as 2.5 - 5 after the first initial big dose runs out, maybe its even stupid and that its still the first initial bigger dose that did most the work..
but.. will deal with that then, possibly just use that initial bigger dose once more but for sleep then if Id suddenly get strong anxiety Id wanna quench once more, but hopefully these tiny doses will atleast prevent it from ever getting very bad then.

Hm Im not sure how much Ive taken in total today actually.. but should be a bit over 15-20mg atleast..prolly some more halv pills, cant really remember accurately tho.. Stupid, should have written it down! can't be too bad though.. hm, atleast I still feel very conscious and sensible=P Fairly small doses spready out thru many hours today. I probably started around 12 hours ago or so now.. I just had another half 5mg pill (so ~2.5mg), will prolly take other half in an hour or so justincase, to prevent any bothersome anxiety from possibly emerging, then refrain from further intake until eventual strong anxiety happens. And in that case possibly just take 5mg or 10mg more (tho unlikely I'll take 10mg at once I think..) and go straight to bed, as Im afraid a need for any more than that, after such a dose,could definitely be risky then! Hopefully should go fine with that tho, doesn't sound too much?
And same for possible rebound anxiety.. atleast from what Ive seen before, I think I'll manage to suffer thru any then, mine's never been too bad (i can deal with it...especcialy-) knowing I just can't give in and dose more, in fear of later repercussions,delaying something worse...


but oh damn, I was first just gonna respond to "bunge" which was only replyer when I started typing, and I noticed this got a bit long with many other things.. and much weird and repeated, so whent over the text some times now trying to fix what I found of weird/incoherent/repeated text and stuff, and just realized Ive been typing here a really long time, and made probably too much text for most to bother reading but decided to leave anyway, maybe somewhat useful to someone trying similar some time maybe..
And other more replies seems to have come in the meantime it seems...
so uh yeah, guess Ill end it here for now.. hopefully this'll work out.. may reply to the other new replies in seperate replies I guess, prolly not as long as this though, lol8)
sorry for all the text, or whatever was bad/wrong, I type alot at times.. freel free to suggest any changes or things I should be more aware of if this seems stupid, irrelevant or such (my typing in mean. atm. probably much influenced by meth) and Ill try be more aware for later posts=P
anyway eh, yeah Ill try end here or Ill just keep going lol, will need to check these other people's replies aswell.. thx so far, and thx in advance for any input anyway, and sorry again for the long text..hopefully it makes some sense atleast, and also details what Ive tried so far and my thanks for help

 

[40713]

Ok, for the other few replies that came while I was typing that text^^ to first reply and afk etc..

thanks for your input! Interesting and discouraging further use then... guess I'll try stay away frmo using it like this much at all in the future then.
Hopefully I wont, in the worst case I'll hopefully mainly use Alprazolam or Diazepam instead, and not Zopiclone... if that makes it any much less bad..?
Anyway not planning on doing this regularly, or often or anything..

But no I dont wanna do meth oral I think.. pretty much only smoked it, just tried sniffing few times but didnt like it too much, plus that hurt alot Prefer smoking really, much better and controllable high I think.
ANd I usually dont use Zopiclone for any good or prescribed medical reason, just meth-related as of recently.. initially just for sleep.
Was just playing with it now for some anxiety I usually only get when I use meth (but also happens randomly during my day, not not too bad, just keeps me busy a while thats it.. and passes just as randomly as it came, it seems..)..
and I think it seems to work fairly well for this.. atleast so far, Ive only been smoking meth about 12 hours now while concurrently dosing Zopiclone in small increments to supress the anxiety, which seems to have worked! .. maybe I did something stupid or such along the way but, atleast it worked as I hoped to some degree, it was my only available anxiolytic anyway, and best of all apparently wasnt very dangerous (bad interaction) or anything either, nor seems to have unexpectedly given me blackout. So apparently and hopefully OK to use for anxiety if being careful then... atleast it seems to me so far, altho its probably not the best, being mainly hypnotic and all.. cant say for sure but, this seems to have worked decently for me atleast i think!

WIll try be more careful for the future then, prolly wont repeat such a session as this either or use either drug like this..
but was a big relief being able to use it without the previous anxiety like this, despite Zopiclones other effects.. was pretty pleasant, atleast as Ive pretty much all the time been sitting still infront of the comp.

May try stay away from both for atleast some days now after this then, and nhopefully get thru any eventual withdrawal/rebound things by myself without any problems!

Intention of doing this in the first place seems to have been successful and what I wanted, and Im happy to have found I have atleast an emergency-anxiolytic for whatever purpose in this atleast then, and how it works on me. Hopefully something I'll be able to reproduce later if I ever wanted, without having to expect unbearable anxiety.. and opens a window of opportunity for meth to be used as I once cuold without worrying about anxiety again,even if I dont have normal benzos..

Thanks again for input, advice and interesting info.. will try end here, Im a bit messd atm and will try not to type forever.. maybe something I missed but.. think I got most of what I wanted with this atleast, and kept fairly safe and will manage remain that way if being further careful then!

so thanks again, bye for now, take care

 

[40713]

oh and another things.. if someone ever get as far as seeing this.. part of the reason I thought the Zopiclone could do good too, possibly related to anxiety, was I thought my pulse on meth was really high, thinking that if combined with this CNS depressant it could also help get my pulse down, hoping to decrease chanse of stroke or infarct or something bad like that..

atleast I havent been overly focused on my pulse as I become on meth sometimes, and I dunno how to check pulse well really, or when it would be at a dangerous level anyway.. I just put a finger on my throat and feel the beating.. right now I still think its beating really fast though.. and would normally be very bothered and worries, and prolly overly and unavoidably focused on that, but I guess Zopiclone is whats taken my mind off that for now too, if thats anotehr kind of "anxiety".. and hopefully its not dangerous either so has been a good think.
Most of all hoping Zopiclone maybe even is beneficial in this way if it can decrease my pulse somehow.. as it think it may do too.

this fear may be unfounded in the first place, but I think it may be more warranted than for the avg. person, as I am probably in very bad physical shape and is basicly a skeleton, lol.. I rarely ever move, for many years now.. even feel it well in my legs rest of the day just running to the mailbox, lol =|
maybe my high pulse atm is just because I whent down/up the stairs just now, and my pulse spikes alot.. hopefully its not as crazy high as I suspect it is, once Ive been sitting here still a while more and pulse will go down..hopefully.
afraid Im in bad shape more so than most people, and its more important for me to do things to keep the pulse down in general.

was hoping zopiclone could benefit that aswell.. no idea if worthwhile though.

 

[pillboxskid]

The main concern for me is not the substances but the sudden change that would be made to your heart rythum.

 

[40713]

The main concern for me is not the substances but the sudden change that would be made to your heart rythum.

Thanks for your input. Can you please elaborate on that? ..or maybe I just missed the obvious point somehow,hm..


anyway, Im also trying to down some foods Ive googled around to find may have some beneficial effects this way.. that is, among other things- garlic, got a few clovers down with some bread. Garlic is supposedly strongly blood-thinning and vasodilating, that Im hoping could be a good thing incase Im at risk, and reduce chanse of stroke/infarct for example.
Also green tea, a cup every few hours or so, along with lemon and lime, both eating them raw and whole and some squeezed into the tea, which supposedly have effects like anti-clotting and other good things about it.
Sounds helpful or, not really worthwhile..? Hope so, Ive been trying it anyway incase its some good, as some googled info on them seemed to indicate. Any other such foods that could help in such a situation or input? not much appetite anyway so trying to make the little I eat count and be beneficial, besides occasional vitamin pill..

Sorry maybe this was a bit too offtopic now.... =p

 

[40713]

The main concern for me is not the substances but the sudden change that would be made to your heart rythum.

Hm sorry Im not sure what you meant, but, got me thinking and bit worried....
just incase, as I dont know much about these drugs and how they interact and all.. besides it seemed to do some good for my anxiety atleast when used like I did and very nicely made meth enjoyable again, as it hasnt been for me past times without anxiolytic..

think Ill just have a final hit or few more of meth then, then in a few hour take a final pill or two (5-10mg) of Zopiclone as a final sedative before going to bed and ending this session then, hopefully getting to sleep fairly easily then... and rather try again hopefully safer another time,knowing I can supress anxiety with Zopiclone if needed atleast, which was this sessions intention to find out further about after it seemed to ...

just lil more and sleep then, just incase, and done for tonight soon.. thx again for input, will refresh again justincase any more replies despite all my text that I realize ruins a bit if many wont bother reading ..

Thanks again anyway, bye for now then=)

 

[pillboxskid]

40713 sarcasum is the lowest form of wit my friend and im quite handy at it myself so lets play nice! I belive the actor River phoenix died of a simular thing a stimulated heart rythum and a sudden CND affect by a downer.The sudden change can cause a heart attack basicly and if you do it you must be stupid! bye

 

[Serotonin101]

I've used both together numerous times without ill effect. I enjoy the high of z drugs and meth feels pretty good as well. it would mellow me out after I been up for a few days but I like the jittery feeling of being tweaked out. just don't become dependent on the z drug. I know zolpidem is water soluable so I used to snort both the tweak and zolpidem since they both burn like all hell it wasn't a big deal to me.