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Zolpidem vs zopiclone

Zopiclone Is almost like normal benzodiazepine with short-medium half-life and zopiclon Is short acting hypnotic and it often induce state of black out.
 
Lunesta is the only one of the Z-drugs strong enough to work on me. I take it with Clonidine 0.6mg and Vistaril PAM 100mg and Benadryl 200mg.
I blame taking Seroquel 400mg for so many years ruining natural sleep patterns. Without all the meds above, my brain will never turn off and I am left thinking about things that have no logical reason. Like the most random things and events I have not thought of in years. Or I think about odd things like can a giraffe vomit with their long necks or what was the original shape of the sand on a beach. I am a hot mess of all sorts.
 
Interesting because I know on this forum in particular I’ve read all about ambien being something people have fun times with or it inducing hallucinations, obv being a hypnotic sedative it has some memory loss potential issues and shit like that but I just ordered a small amount of some real pharmacy grade zolpidem (Sandolfi? I believe) and I’d like to experience what it’s like as opposed to zopiclone
 
canadianpeduser said:
Interesting because I know on this forum in particular I’ve read all about ambien being something people have fun times with or it inducing hallucinations, obv being a hypnotic sedative it has some memory loss potential issues and shit like that but I just ordered a small amount of some real pharmacy grade zolpidem (Sandolfi? I believe) and I’d like to experience what it’s like as opposed to zopiclone
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once a tolerance is built to Ambien it does not reset. playing around with it can end someone up in weird places and doing things randomly
 
Them Witches said:
once a tolerance is built to Ambien it does not reset. playing around with it can end someone up in weird places and doing things randomly
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Wel technically I’ve only ever tried it a couple of times last summer , and it was through an underground steroid lab so was not the pharmacological concoction it should have been. It was a cheap made generic and the package contained maybe 30 pills. So that’s the extent of my zolpidem use. The stuff I have coming now is called stillnox
 
canadianpeduser said:
Which is more recreational? And if you have a tolerant to one, will the other still be effective ?
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Zopiclone is imo not recreational, a good hypnotic with a metal after taste.

Zolpidem, seems the more re-creative one, with the weird effect s mentioned.
Like the typical Hallucination s. Had a client who had real weird trip s on it.
But never tried or came across it.
 
Zolpidem is a lot more fun than Zopiclone for sure. Zolpidem can get you into this weird, confident, hallucinating dream state which (especially combined with something like nitrous or ketamine) can produce some very enjoyable effects.

When Zolpidem still worked for me (like someone mentioned before, at some point you just gain a tolerance to it and the interesting effects don't happen anymore) and I also inhaled a couple of nitrous oxide canisters, I had random items in my room laughing and smiling at me. Most of it was very fun although it can also make certain videos that you don't want to be real seem too real. So be careful what kind of content you consume while doing these kind of things.
 
canadianpeduser said:
Wel technically I’ve only ever tried it a couple of times last summer , and it was through an underground steroid lab so was not the pharmacological concoction it should have been. It was a cheap made generic and the package contained maybe 30 pills. So that’s the extent of my zolpidem use. The stuff I have coming now is called stillnox
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Interesting information thanks for sharing.

"Non-benzodiazepines" or Z-drugs have won me over. I was on Ambien 10mg for awhile and switched to Lunesta 3mg. Lunesta is for sure the strongest Z-drug sedative/hypnotic available for prescription. It comes on just as fast as the others and lasts a long time. They say it is not intended for long-term use. However, it is being used long-term with me and it keeps working as intended without any side effects. Not sure why they say it is for short-term use.

I have been searching for equivalents to comparing Z-drugs to benzodiazepines. The information I have found seems off and there is not a lot of these studies. Basically it boils down to personal experience and preference. Lunesta helps me sleep better and longer than a benzodiazepines. I have an Rx for Ativan to compare it to.
 
Lunesta is eszopiclone is it not? I have been prescribed zopiclone for a long time and it’s been somewhat recreational at times especially in the beginning. I’m wondering if my dr in Canada would switch me to Lunesta if I asked them too
 
canadianpeduser said:
Lunesta is eszopiclone is it not?
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Correct it is Eszopiclone. Lunesta IR comes in 1mg, 2mg, and 3mg. In the US, it is a schedule IV and the max allowed daily dosage is 3mg and for 30-days 30qty. I would love to take 6mg at night.

Lunesta (Eszopiclone) is stronger than Zopiclone as well. Same goes for Ambien.
 
Them Witches said:
Interesting information thanks for sharing.

"Non-benzodiazepines" or Z-drugs have won me over. I was on Ambien 10mg for awhile and switched to Lunesta 3mg. Lunesta is for sure the strongest Z-drug sedative/hypnotic available for prescription. It comes on just as fast as the others and lasts a long time. They say it is not intended for long-term use. However, it is being used long-term with me and it keeps working as intended without any side effects. Not sure why they say it is for short-term use.

I have been searching for equivalents to comparing Z-drugs to benzodiazepines. The information I have found seems off and there is not a lot of these studies. Basically it boils down to personal experience and preference. Lunesta helps me sleep better and longer than a benzodiazepines. I have an Rx for Ativan to compare it to.
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What do you consider to be long-term? Zolpidem/Zopiclone both worked a long time for me too, eventually tolerance did set in and I even had (minor) withdrawals when quitting.
 
HealingEnergy14 said:
What do you consider to be long-term?
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Anything longer than 90 days is the medical definition. I have been on Lunesta 3mg since 2018 with only a few breaks. What started the first break was being rotated from Methadone IR tablets to Fentanyl patches. I rotated Lunesta 3mg to Seroquel 400mg due to 30-days of PAWS (insomnia, RLS, depression, anxiety) the Methadone created.

IMO, re-writing medical data is desperately needed at this stage of the game. The greatest & best tool in the history of mankind is information.
 
canadianpeduser said:
Which is more recreational? And if you have a tolerant to one, will the other still be effective ?
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Depends on your definition of recreational.
Silly example, but will say it anyway.... you know when you rub the ears of a pet puppy/dog, the animal looks like it is in a state of "bliss". This could be seen as recreational. If your pet dog knows when he/she is going for a walk, they become animated and excited, this is also seen as recreational.

With regards to your original question on which is more recreational Zolpidem or Zopiclone, I hope the below helps a bit.

Zolpidem

I found that Zolpidem has little to no anti-anxiety effects (which some would confuse with "recreational"), however it did help for falling asleep and not waking up with any "hangover" effect.
Zolpidem also had a markedly interesting/concerning effect on my vision, but as mentioned above, had no actual calming effect on my CNS (that I was aware of) ..... unless I lay down and went to sleep.
The half life is very short with Zolpidem (only a couple of hours, if that), so it helps those who have trouble falling asleep.

*** no recreational value IMO ***

Zopiclone

Zopiclone does give me anti anxiety relief and a decent night's sleep without being totally "knocked out" ( if my cellphone had to ring or there was a noise/door knocking/sirens etc. then I would wake up ).
The "calmness" mentioned above can be seen as "recreational" in the same way that if an itch needed scratching and was scratched, the relief from that action could be thought of as recreational. Hence to pet dog analogy at the start of this post.

The only time any of these drugs are "recreational" is when they are used for purpose (insomnia), or after being on stimulants or any other type of sleep deprivation/stress etc, that once whatever CNS depressent used (benzo/opiate etc) - the relief could feel "recreational", but is it actually?

I think not - and full disclosure, I spent many decades thinking it was.

Getting high can be fun, but I don't think these two Z drugs (or any benzo/gabba meds) should be on the essentials list for recreation.

But for insomnia or the rare occasion when one needs to get sleep then Zopiclone would win that contest by a country mile.

Almost forgot to answer the second part about tolerance......that could be subjective and probably is, but if the Zolpidem isn't working then moving over to Zopiclone could be of benefit, as well as the other way around....BUT only for a short time, like literally a few days - and then the effectiveness of both would start diminishing.

Best advice would be to only use these medications as a last resort and at the lowest dose that is effective. Doing this would negate the worry about tolerance and one can then make a coherent decision on which of the two sleeping tablets to stick with when they are needed.
 
Personally I hate both I use to suffer bad insomnia and now it's like a 6/10 insomnia.

I have tried a crap load of meds from z drugs, benzos and anti psychotic. And at the end that helped the most with least amount of sides was a combo of triazolam and temazepam ( both benzos ). Later dropping the triazolam and then dropping the temazepam dose. And now only using 10mg diazepam at night but more so for my needs.

I have replaced my hypnotic benzo usage with strong indica RSO or other extracts of the same kind.

But all that aside if your choice is between only those 2 I would go with zolpiclone.. only cause of the half life.
 
thelung said:
I love zolpidem! One of my favorites. Never tried zopiclone but I have had eszopiclone
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I can’t find Lunesta for the life of me and I have sources not only all over Canada but also over seas as well. I fucking wish I could get my hands on some real Lunesta. I have some pharma stillnox (zolpidem) being delivered to me today. And I am going to try to take like 20mg tn on top of my 15 mg of zopiclone and see if it does anything . If not, I’m going to stop my zopiclone entirely for a few days and then try 20-30 mg zolpidem on its own. I have some real Roche diazepam as well. Although I’ve been taking the shitty apo genetics daily for my anxiety. And I know I have built a tolerance to it. I may just completely stop my diazepam and my zopiclone for a few days (and pop a couple .5 mg Upjohn Xanax if I feel any w/d symptoms) I really wanna feel what ambien can actually do. I have been in constant contact with my overseas source and he’s got all kinds of cool pharma grade shit. Temazepam, phenobarbital , every kind of Xanax there is, real 2.5 mg Ativan’s , fuck I found gold with this source. But the one thing he doesn’t have is fucking nitrazepam. I been trying to itch that scratch for so fucking long I haven’t even seen a mogadon for almost 10 years. And I had access to the 10 mg ones for like 3$ a piece back then. If I only knew I woulda bought them all every month back then and stashed them. Same with the old CDN OxyContins. I’m a pharma freak now that I put down street drugs . I seem to have much more control over them and can manage my usage much better than I ever could with meth, crack , IV cocaine and fentanyl . I’m tryna build a stash like Johnny depp in fear and loathing 😂. Steroids too
 
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