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'You're not an addict if you're happy with your life'

^ depends what the drug of choice is, i suppose.
considering one of the most common ways "unhappiness" (ie depression) is treated in modern medicine is with a daily dose of addictive drugs, i don't personally think it is such a destructive idea. but it depends on the drug in question, the route of administration, the circumstances.
i certainly don't advocate or celebrate addiction. it's not the healthiest way to live - but my the same token, we live in a pretty disturbing world - sometimes i think it is a pretty sick world.
what is healthy in a sick world?

i'm having trouble relating to a lot of this discussion because i think we all have different definitions and understandings of both "happy" and "addict".
i know some drug-free people that are utterly miserable, and i've known plenty of drug users with a pragmatic and (what i would consider) a well-adjusted view of the world.

the way our society consumes resources (of all kinds) is analogous to an out-of-control addiction. the western world as a whole reminds me of a desperate dope fiend, scamming, manipulating and beating oil-rich nations to fulfil the energy jones of a society built on petrochemical excess.
doesn't matter how many innocent people get killed in the crossfire, the crosshairs, the drone strike - or the injustice of such hypocrisy - we are talking about a society that doesn't allow people to grow plants that alter their consciousness.
governments and energy industry interests are hard to separate, and whole regions are demonised for the sake of keeping the wealthy people (ie you and me) happy so we go along with the twisted game.

why would i want to conform to the norms of this society?
the ideals of happiness as defined by the constant spew of advertising, propaganda and psychological conditioning to consume are not those i want to pursue. this is all a bit off-topic, but i just don't buy the conventional attitudes towards habituation, the criminality of drug use or the medicalisation of unhappiness. who wouldn't be unhappy with the world they live in sometimes? talk to a doctor about it and they blame your brain chemistry. take two of these once a day...
i don't know...i find a lot of things disturbing. people wanting to get high - not so much. you're probably right, but it's just not my first reaction. we all just want a happiness we can sustain...right?
 
Spacejunk: What a great post (#41). You've got a well-balanced perspective. It restores faith when I read pragmatic, informed, and unbiased comments like those in your post.

And this -

A life without chemicals, for me is , a life without Oxygen..
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- I'm sure a lot of people on here can relate to. Years ago my father came back from a doctor's appointment at which he got the results of a liver test and he relayed the terse delivery from the doc there: "If you don't stop drinking right now, you'll be dead soon". My dad and I talked about the way the ultimatum was delivered, and his past struggles to get alcohol intake under control. I will never forget that conversation, realising how serious the situation was and how dire the consequences were. I remember thinking that it was the 11th hour and that a big change would have to be made. But my dad told me something similar to the quote above, in regards to the doctor's ultimatum of 'quit drinking now or die'. He said: "The doc may as well have just told me to stop breathing". He continued to drink and less than six months later he was dead. The doctor's advice, while medically sound and appropriate, exemplifies that old expression: "Easier said than done".
 
spacejunk said:
^ depends what the drug of choice is, i suppose.
considering one of the most common ways "unhappiness" (ie depression) is treated in modern medicine is with a daily dose of addictive drugs, i don't personally think it is such a destructive idea. but it depends on the drug in question, the route of administration, the circumstances.
i certainly don't advocate or celebrate addiction. it's not the healthiest way to live - but my the same token, we live in a pretty disturbing world - sometimes i think it is a pretty sick world.
what is healthy in a sick world?

i'm having trouble relating to a lot of this discussion because i think we all have different definitions and understandings of both "happy" and "addict".
i know some drug-free people that are utterly miserable, and i've known plenty of drug users with a pragmatic and (what i would consider) a well-adjusted view of the world.

the way our society consumes resources (of all kinds) is analogous to an out-of-control addiction. the western world as a whole reminds me of a desperate dope fiend, scamming, manipulating and beating oil-rich nations to fulfil the energy jones of a society built on petrochemical excess.
doesn't matter how many innocent people get killed in the crossfire, the crosshairs, the drone strike - or the injustice of such hypocrisy - we are talking about a society that doesn't allow people to grow plants that alter their consciousness.
governments and energy industry interests are hard to separate, and whole regions are demonised for the sake of keeping the wealthy people (ie you and me) happy so we go along with the twisted game.

why would i want to conform to the norms of this society?
the ideals of happiness as defined by the constant spew of advertising, propaganda and psychological conditioning to consume are not those i want to pursue. this is all a bit off-topic, but i just don't buy the conventional attitudes towards habituation, the criminality of drug use or the medicalisation of unhappiness. who wouldn't be unhappy with the world they live in sometimes? talk to a doctor about it and they blame your brain chemistry. take two of these once a day...
i don't know...i find a lot of things disturbing. people wanting to get high - not so much. you're probably right, but it's just not my first reaction. we all just want a happiness we can sustain...right?
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I couldnt have given a better example, thank you.
Yes , we live in a toxic, unhealthy, manipulative, unbalanced desperate world. I lost my faith in humanity years ago. Infact it sickens me that I am part of the virus that is destroying the Earth.
I cannot get my head around how 'normal members of society function, when they know exactly what I know about the state of our world. I am in total amazement of how they get through this life without any vices. To me , thats abnormal.
I cant ever fathom or imagine a life of sobriety. Do you think cattle or sheep would like to know they are bred to be slaughtered? No, they are raised in herds , they graze together and together they are ushered into the slaughter house.
Humanity has lost all rights to freedom, choice and control. I have no problem accepting the reality of humanity's existence being futile and meaningless in the whole scheme of how the universe works. I believe that we have
one life to live. Its the 'now' thats important, everything else is irrelevant. So if I have found the thing that makes me feel 'normal' and adjusted, then why would I ever feel the need to stop using it.
Especially when I see there are no rewards to sobriety.

AminoAcid, Thanks for your reply. I understand how you may perceive my post, but I have to say that if I didnt self medicate and take personal responsibility for my drug use, I wouldnt be here today. I would not have seen the point.
 
@halif - that's really sad. i mean that in the most non-judgemental sense.
it's easy for people to attack addicts (of any sort) but to me it is just another way people pick on the vulnerable. it's too easy to pray on these people, to blame them. it takes a bit more to empathise.
thanks Halif, i really appreciate your posts as well. i always know they'll be worth reading.
 
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Halif said:
Spacejunk: What a great post (#41). You've got a well-balanced perspective. It restores faith when I read pragmatic, informed, and unbiased comments like those in your post.

And this -



- I'm sure a lot of people on here can relate to. Years ago my father came back from a doctor's appointment at which he got the results of a liver test and he relayed the terse delivery from the doc there: "If you don't stop drinking right now, you'll be dead soon". My dad and I talked about the way the ultimatum was delivered, and his past struggles to get alcohol intake under control. I will never forget that conversation, realising how serious the situation was and how dire the consequences were. I remember thinking that it was the 11th hour and that a big change would have to be made. But my dad told me something similar to the quote above, in regards to the doctor's ultimatum of 'quit drinking now or die'. He said: "The doc may as well have just told me to stop breathing". He continued to drink and less than six months later he was dead. The doctor's advice, while medically sound and appropriate, exemplifies that old expression: "Easier said than done".
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I can only imagine how hard that would have been for you to not only hear, but to understand the decision that your father made. Thats one of the most unselfish acts I have heard in a very long time. I very much respect your strength in character, its a rare trait these days.
I really cant add anything more to this post, You clearly get where Im coming from . The world needs more people like you.
 
Caged1 said:
Humanity has lost all rights to freedom, choice and control. I have no problem accepting the reality of humanity's existence being futile and meaningless in the whole scheme of how the universe works. I believe that we have
one life to live. Its the 'now' thats important, everything else is irrelevant. So if I have found the thing that makes me feel 'normal' and adjusted, then why would I ever feel the need to stop using it.
Especially when I see there are no rewards to sobriety.
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i don't want to have set this thing on a negative tangent, so i'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment.
i think there is a lot to be said for sobriety - and not just improved cognitive function or a stronger immune system. without being in a constantly drugged state, humans are capable of doing practically anything they set their minds to.
being high won't necessarily stop you growing or achieving or excelling in whatever you pursue, but it can be like another hurdle to jump over, another layer of shit to push through.
the world may be in a dire state, but it takes those of us that recognise it to do something about it. if the powerful people are corrupt and dishonest, it is up to the rest of us to call them out on it, rather than sinking into stoned oblivion.
maybe if our immediate surrounds are that bad that drugs seem all that is worth living for, it is time for a change of scenery, a change of lifestyle - a drastic shift of one sort or another.
there are many beautiful things in this world besides all the corruption, destruction and fucked-up shit. some of these things are related to humans, others are related to the timeless, unfathomable wonder of the natural world and the things we will never understand such as our origins, our past our future as a species.
there might be a lot of things all of us hide from, or hurt that needs to be dulled to make it through the day. i don't want to sound like one of those high on lifers - because i am far from it - but drugs can be used for inspiration and exploration as well.
i don't mean to contradict you, i just want to inject this thread with a little more lightness (no pun intended...maybe just a little)
<3
 
There is some great ideas and some really good and insightful points being made in this thread, it's nice to be part of a community that has some intelligent, thoughtful and caring people in it. I enjoy reading almost everyone's posts and value a lot of the opinions and the knowledge that is shared on here and feel like im a better person for it. I'd like to contribute to this thread but i think what I'd like to say has already been said and said far more eloquently than i think I could manage!
 
Its ok, I dont see your post as being contradictive. There are always 2 sides to everything , a positive and a negative, so you are right to point out both.

The world , in my eyes, is very unbalanced at present. Something has to give. I hope we have enough time to undo the damage and reinstate the balance, but it doesnt look good.

I have tried sobriety. Several months here and there over the years. I have had several changes in scenery, environment, friends, and work. But Im always left with an empty feeling. Like theres something
missing within me. I dont feel comfortable in my own skin. I have some theories on why this is, but nothing really tangible.

We do what we can to get us through. I never stop searching for options or new ideas, so that is a good indicator that I still feel something has to change. Just not sure what.
 
^ no shame in that man. just keep searching - it's giving the giving up of hope that is more tragic than any substance abuse IMO.
good to have you on bluelight.
 
spacejunk said:
^ no shame in that man. just keep searching - it's giving the giving up of hope that is more tragic than any substance abuse IMO.
good to have you on bluelight.
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I agree. I have 2 fantastic kids,and a husband that accepts me for who I am. My husband doesnt use drugs, but he still suffers the negatives of it and still allows me to keep searching for 'me'.
Giving up is not an option, I owe them alot more than that. The journey continues :)
 
LOL@Spacejunk! :D

Giving up is not an option, I owe them alot more than that. The journey continues
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Nice sentiment. Keep on journeying. And to sum things up thus far I will quote the Grateful Dead: "What a long, strange trip it's been"
 
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