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Just munching on a bacon and egg roll. Got an appointment at 10am with my old NUM about going back to work on the ward. Hopefully i can get three days a week. Thats all i really need atm.

After that going to a new burger joint to see how good they are with a mate. Then off to the beach to watch the surfing contest.

Then picking up Nellie from the airport ;)
 
Reheating a bowl of chilli con carnage (I.e one my old man made, because he doesn't use fly agaric and peppery boletus in it OR
the correct extra spices when he does one. Its edible enough and not BAD, its just, not excellent as it should be with a bit of dried cured Amanita muscaria mushrooms.

Listening to music (Otep-Atom to Adam https://youtu.be/vbOSSiBEZD4 )

Smoking a fag. Wishing I had bud, tried random likely looking types but the fucker wouldn't help, hadn't got a phone. Hadn't got mine on me either. Haven't had anything but synthetics in a couple of years :( don't know anybody anymore, since my old phone got jacked and I lost all my contacts.

Just plugged 100-120mg or so of oxy IR and a few mg of pramipexole (a dopamine agonist)

Got to ring my lawyer to rearrange a bail date.

Hunting around for a plug, to wire to my better water pump. I have another but its tiny and crappy, and I can't find it anyway. Got an experiment to perform regarding acetaldehyde synthesis. Have to do a distillation through a condenser recirculating salted ice-water, and collect product in a flask situated within a salt/diethylene glycol/a little water to ensure good contact with the receiver flask/ice bath since the boiling point of acetaldehyde is only 20.2 degrees 'C. So going to collect it in a cryo bath at -30something (I forget exactly how cold that particular mixture gets, but with some methylated spirits added to the antfreeze poured over the salted ice, it gets just a few degrees short of the temperature requited to render gaseous ammonia liquid.

Also got to purify some willy pete, by distillation followed by a bath in hot chromic acid (potassium dichromate/98% sulfuric mixture) and melting the W P under the surface of the chromic acid bath to clean the inside from oxides; all done under inert gas. Its a fairly extreme length to go to get it clean but this is not for making meth etc. but rather, symthesis of a little-studied allotrope of the element where impurities could conceivably have all manner of effects upon things like crystal substructure at the molecular level, success v failure and the quality of the crystals. The method involves recrystallizing either red or white phosphorus after heating it under molten lead for between 18 hours and two days. Got an electrically controlled moten metal-based heating bath. Going to build myself some custom sealed retorts from copper pipe and fittings; then before use, several spray-burn cyc;les of potassium sillicate solution to give it a glass coating, doesn't need to be thermal shock resistant, its just to avoid contact with the searing hot phosphorus with the copper and formation of phosphine gas, PH3, the phosphorus analogue of NH3m annonia but which is extremely poisonous.

Or I intended to. Will have to do it tomorrow, since my morning dose of nitrazepam left me nodding out HARD combined with 300mg morphine IM and 200 of oxy plugged. I'm still nodding in and out, so no way am I going to start roasting elemental phosphorus when I can hardly see straight or type correctly :P (not sure which so am going to try both as two separate experiments in parallel, possibly three, using Schlenk;s scarlet allotrope and see what happens)
 
Hey Limpet, I have a bit of a random question and I reckon you're just the man to answer it.

One of the companies I regularly visit in my job specialises in coatings for lorry body panels. Now this place absolutely reeks of what I presume is an industrial solvent. The smell is hard to describe, but it's overwhelmingly sweet and sickly, and sort of fruity like concentrated essence of apple x 100. I'm only in there for an hour or so, but that's enough to make me feel quite nauseous with a dull headache for the rest of the day and the smell lingers for hours afterwards. I also seem to becoming sensitised to it as I can detect the aroma further and further away from the site and notice it in household cleaning products and fragrances - particularly Lynx 'Peace' deodorant which I can't use anymore as a result. I know it's a long shot, but have you any idea what this substance might be?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Hey Limpet, I have a bit of a random question and I reckon you're just the man to answer it.

One of the companies I regularly visit in my job specialises in coatings for lorry body panels. Now this place absolutely reeks of what I presume is an industrial solvent. The smell is hard to describe, but it's overwhelmingly sweet and sickly, and sort of fruity like concentrated essence of apple x 100. I'm only in there for an hour or so, but that's enough to make me feel quite nauseous with a dull headache for the rest of the day and the smell lingers for hours afterwards. I also seem to becoming sensitised to it as I can detect the aroma further and further away from the site and notice it in household cleaning products and fragrances - particularly Lynx 'Peace' deodorant which I can't use anymore as a result. I know it's a long shot, but have you any idea what this substance might be?
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We don't do ID at BL. Buy a test kit. ?

By coating assume you mean they are spraying? If spray then likely it will have a carrier solvent. Which could be a myriad of things or combo. Toluene, Xylene, Methylene Chloride, Acetone, IPA are all still used but usually under strict control. Or it could be a cleaning solution to purge the spray head such as Dibasic Ester or one of the newer VOC free systems using citric acid.

It could be the actual coating itself, if its body panels then likely HDI based Isocyanate or Epoxy based. Depends on their set up and how "professional" they are.

TBH if your smelling it get out. If it looks dodgy don't go in.

My bet is they'd be way too proffesional not to have strict VOC controls. My advice however is ask them; you have a right under safety at work and as a contractor. You are entitled and actually should be told if you will come across any hazardous substance as you go about your work and be provided with the adequate safety equipment if you don't have it. Everyone has different levels of tolerance could be your allergic or sensitive to that specific Chem as such you shouldn't go back if you can't get clarification of hazards.

Or maybe the actual truck panels are using GRP using styrene.

My money is on Styrene; that's a sweet sickly smell, gives headaches etc. Used to love and hate the old TVR factory in Blackpool always stunk but the cars looked nice and my god the girl they had on the reception was jaw dropping. Then some Russian oligarch spoilt little son turned up. First thing he did was scrap the launch of what I thought looked the nicest car they'd ever done. He cleared out the top floor of the offices. Made redundancies or forced people to share tiny offices. Then turned the top floor into a personal five a side football pitch. They went bust about 4 months later. Lovely cars but totally unreliable and that constant stink of GRP styrene which took years to disipate.

Didn't think you needed deodarant FUBAR? Thought your manly aroma was enough ?
 
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Drinking hot Honey, Lemon, Ginger & Brandy (cos another bloody cold piggybacking the last one) with a Pulled Pork Cup-a-Soup chaser (which I'm dipping Doritos into)
Just set myself a challenge to try & drop the words 'strap-on' into the conversation when the council man comes to survey my bathroom shortly (I have strap-on shower-hoses on my bath taps, so I figure I can do it quite innocently)
 
Sitting in a self inflicted power outage.

Left my genset at work, and didn't get back in time to go to the office to charge the power card. Have 0kw/hrs, and around 60% on laptop and ipad which is making me hotspot.

The power guy was there in his office, with the lights on, and the door open and the service hatch open; wailing karaoke into a cathode ray, and basically was an hour off duty with the computer off.

I really wanted to be a nasty cunt, but contented myself with a few wheel spins as I left the premises to buy my beer and ice block.

Also out of skins, so emptying and repacking ciggies right now. My boss is allegedly going to put in a rare physical appearance tomorrow, so asked him to get me some.
 
Jackal said:
Also out of skins, so emptying and repacking ciggies right now. My boss is allegedly going to put in a rare physical appearance tomorrow, so asked him to get me some.
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The same can be said of a lot of bosses.

Pope Francis is still waiting for his skins.
 
On my way back from a jukebox bingo (glorified pub quiz)... Pretty buzzed. Got that Wednesday feeling :D :D :D
 
Itsgoneundertheboa said:
We don't do ID at BL. Buy a test kit. ��

By coating assume you mean they are spraying? If spray then likely it will have a carrier solvent. Which could be a myriad of things or combo. Toluene, Xylene, Methylene Chloride, Acetone, IPA are all still used but usually under strict control. Or it could be a cleaning solution to purge the spray head such as Dibasic Ester or one of the newer VOC free systems using citric acid.

It could be the actual coating itself, if its body panels then likely HDI based Isocyanate or Epoxy based. Depends on their set up and how "professional" they are.

TBH if your smelling it get out. If it looks dodgy don't go in.

My bet is they'd be way too proffesional not to have strict VOC controls. My advice however is ask them; you have a right under safety at work and as a contractor. You are entitled and actually should be told if you will come across any hazardous substance as you go about your work and be provided with the adequate safety equipment if you don't have it. Everyone has different levels of tolerance could be your allergic or sensitive to that specific Chem as such you shouldn't go back if you can't get clarification of hazards.

Or maybe the actual truck panels are using GRP using styrene.

My money is on Styrene; that's a sweet sickly smell, gives headaches etc. Used to love and hate the old TVR factory in Blackpool always stunk but the cars looked nice and my god the girl they had on the reception was jaw dropping. Then some Russian oligarch spoilt little son turned up. First thing he did was scrap the launch of what I thought looked the nicest car they'd ever done. He cleared out the top floor of the offices. Made redundancies or forced people to share tiny offices. Then turned the top floor into a personal five a side football pitch. They went bust about 4 months later. Lovely cars but totally unreliable and that constant stink of GRP styrene which took years to disipate.

Didn't think you needed deodarant FUBAR? Thought your manly aroma was enough ��
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Hey, thanks for the response Boa, sounds like you know your shit. Yes, it's spray painting I'm referring to. They have two sites - one is hi-tech and automated with proper fume extraction where the smell is still present, but not overwhelming; the other is just a big fuck off shed full of blokes with spray guns doing smaller runs of panels for expensive cars, where the smell is all pervading. The guys doing the spraying are masked up, but no-one else is and there seems to be fuck all in the way of extraction. Dunno how they get away with it tbh. I've got to go there tomorrow and I'm dreading it :(
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Hey, thanks for the response Boa, sounds like you know your shit. Yes, it's spray painting I'm referring to. They have two sites - one is hi-tech and automated with proper fume extraction where the smell is still present, but not overwhelming; the other is just a big fuck off shed full of blokes with spray guns doing smaller runs of panels for expensive cars, where the smell is all pervading. The guys doing the spraying are masked up, but no-one else is and there seems to be fuck all in the way of extraction. Dunno how they get away with it tbh. I've got to go there tomorrow and I'm dreading it :(
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An old nursing trick for those that cant handle the smell of shit is to rub vicks under your nose. Wont stop you breathing in toxic fumes but at least you wont smell it.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Hey, thanks for the response Boa, sounds like you know your shit. Yes, it's spray painting I'm referring to. They have two sites - one is hi-tech and automated with proper fume extraction where the smell is still present, but not overwhelming; the other is just a big fuck off shed full of blokes with spray guns doing smaller runs of panels for expensive cars, where the smell is all pervading. The guys doing the spraying are masked up, but no-one else is and there seems to be fuck all in the way of extraction. Dunno how they get away with it tbh. I've got to go there tomorrow and I'm dreading it :(
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Likely then your smelling the solvent used as the carrier for the paint. The solvent will be volatile as they need it to flash quickly to leave the polymer in situ. But if your smelling the solvent then that means the Isocyanate in the paint is also flying about.

Short term exposure varies person to person. It's a known sensitiser and the more exposure the worse it will get. Some peoples faces will literally swell up just by the smell however the real hidden killer is the lungs. Even short term exposure can lead to bronchial issue, longer term it's a known carcinogen and causes asthma.

If your getting headaches and feel your face is flushed after leaving or as the day progresses then you are already becoming sensitised. Each and every time you get another dose the symptoms will worsen.

The only safe handling of spray systems is full breathing apparatus and spray booths using not just extraction but water stream before the extraction. You say mask? But is this a full face mask like a gas mask? Or just the cheap paper type ones? If they are giving workers a particulate mask (paper ones) then they are useless to the vapour as by nature they only filter particulate. In fact they increase the hazard as the volatiles are captured within the mask! In my previous life in that industry it amazed me how many companies did this thinking it was adequate.

Even if the isocyanate doesn't fuck you up the solvent carrier will. Most are toxic to inhalation some will quickly affect liver function.

As stated you have a right to be safe and to ask. Likely if they are being shoddy they probably don't have a clue of the risks. If they did they wouldn't be open spraying but alas there are lots of unscrupulous bastards out there that rely on quick labour turn around. Basically it's a shit job so most people don't stay long. Then when the effects appear down the line it's very difficult to prove that the exposure at such places was the cause.

Just ask for the MSDS (you have the right as a contractor / employee) of the spray paint they use or try to see if you can spot one of the containers and hazard warnings. Labels should also list the hazard content.

Your health is way more important than any job mate.
 
Itsgoneundertheboa said:
Likely then your smelling the solvent used as the carrier for the paint. The solvent will be volatile as they need it to flash quickly to leave the polymer in situ. But if your smelling the solvent then that means the Isocyanate in the paint is also flying about.

Short term exposure varies person to person. It's a known sensitiser and the more exposure the worse it will get. Some peoples faces will literally swell up just by the smell however the real hidden killer is the lungs. Even short term exposure can lead to bronchial issue, longer term it's a known carcinogen and causes asthma.

If your getting headaches and feel your face is flushed after leaving or as the day progresses then you are already becoming sensitised. Each and every time you get another dose the symptoms will worsen.

The only safe handling of spray systems is full breathing apparatus and spray booths using not just extraction but water stream before the extraction. You say mask? But is this a full face mask like a gas mask? Or just the cheap paper type ones? If they are giving workers a particulate mask (paper ones) then they are useless to the vapour as by nature they only filter particulate. In fact they increase the hazard as the volatiles are captured within the mask! In my previous life in that industry it amazed me how many companies did this thinking it was adequate.

Even if the isocyanate doesn't fuck you up the solvent carrier will. Most are toxic to inhalation some will quickly affect liver function.

As stated you have a right to be safe and to ask. Likely if they are being shoddy they probably don't have a clue of the risks. If they did they wouldn't be open spraying but alas there are lots of unscrupulous bastards out there that rely on quick labour turn around. Basically it's a shit job so most people don't stay long. Then when the effects appear down the line it's very difficult to prove that the exposure at such places was the cause.

Just ask for the MSDS (you have the right as a contractor / employee) of the spray paint they use or try to see if you can spot one of the containers and hazard warnings. Labels should also list the hazard content.

Your health is way more important than any job mate.
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I think he just wants to know if he can vape any of it ;)
 
Itsgoneundertheboa said:
Likely then your smelling the solvent used as the carrier for the paint. The solvent will be volatile as they need it to flash quickly to leave the polymer in situ. But if your smelling the solvent then that means the Isocyanate in the paint is also flying about.

Short term exposure varies person to person. It's a known sensitiser and the more exposure the worse it will get. Some peoples faces will literally swell up just by the smell however the real hidden killer is the lungs. Even short term exposure can lead to bronchial issue, longer term it's a known carcinogen and causes asthma.

If your getting headaches and feel your face is flushed after leaving or as the day progresses then you are already becoming sensitised. Each and every time you get another dose the symptoms will worsen.

The only safe handling of spray systems is full breathing apparatus and spray booths using not just extraction but water stream before the extraction. You say mask? But is this a full face mask like a gas mask? Or just the cheap paper type ones? If they are giving workers a particulate mask (paper ones) then they are useless to the vapour as by nature they only filter particulate. In fact they increase the hazard as the volatiles are captured within the mask! In my previous life in that industry it amazed me how many companies did this thinking it was adequate.

Even if the isocyanate doesn't fuck you up the solvent carrier will. Most are toxic to inhalation some will quickly affect liver function.

As stated you have a right to be safe and to ask. Likely if they are being shoddy they probably don't have a clue of the risks. If they did they wouldn't be open spraying but alas there are lots of unscrupulous bastards out there that rely on quick labour turn around. Basically it's a shit job so most people don't stay long. Then when the effects appear down the line it's very difficult to prove that the exposure at such places was the cause.

Just ask for the MSDS (you have the right as a contractor / employee) of the spray paint they use or try to see if you can spot one of the containers and hazard warnings. Labels should also list the hazard content.

Your health is way more important than any job mate.
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That's a very good post, Boa.

F.U.B.A.R, I have seen you describe your job a few times, and I assume you may work, or contract, for one of the large agencies. I would imagine that a word with your company health and safety local officer, and that person may resolve it for you, or provide you with the details of it's office's counterpart at the bodyshop. Your workers rights and their possible exposure to a claim from you later due to adverse health effects you may experience without protection etc, will make them sort it quicksharp and you will have a mask worthy of a meth lab. . .

Just formally ask them to sort their shit out.
 
Suffering the humiliation of a bruised tailbone. Apparently I have reached the age where climbing onto the roof is discouraged.8)
 
discouraged by whom? go for it! :D

(wait till you've recovered though).

Me right now - managed to get a bit of hash so will brave the windy outdoors for a little smoke. woohoo!
 
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