YIKES DXM abuse is bad!!:(

[XhatedgeX]

So today I hung out with an old friend of mine, we will call him N. He is the kid that got me into smoking bud in the first place actually. So yea I meet up with him and WOW this is not the kid I remember, this kid is an absolute WeIrDo!

Like honestly he used to be the coolest, craziest kid I had ever met. He was the kinda guy that was alternative and sorta eccentric but also an awesome ass kid. Was head and shoulders above everyone in intelligence and knowledge. Not to mention easily the funniest guy of the grade at that time (7th-11th).

He had this big nose and was just overall a funny looking guy that's hard not to laugh at just cuz of the way he is, but then combine that with him spewing off witty comments one after the other, doin impressions and shit he'd be killin peeps.

But he's smoked weed since like 6th grade but then he got hooked on the DXM at around 11th grade and just went downhill and went to rehab 3 times and crashed 3 of his parents cars and just loads of BS you know!

Now he has just totally lost touch with reality, he say's "like" like every other fucking word cuz he can't come up with the right words to say, and he will go on and on trying to explain something and I was be sittin there in shock. He's got crazy scabs all over him and just makes weird faces and say weird things and just generally not care about how he's acting.

So yea his entire personality has taken a UTURN and he is a burnt out loser, it's really sad I miss the old N haha

Sorry I'm baked and ranting haha. You guy's have an experiences with long term DXM users???

PS. this may not be the right section I'm new here lol

 

[Downloader08]

Hey man, not too sure if this is the right section, but I haven't been in TDS long enough to know either in any case, the mods will fix it up.

As for your friend... I've heard of some pretty nasty side effects from dxm but they're mostly rare. Has he been using anything else? I guess the scabs would have come from a psychosis like state, maybe hallucinogens, maybe amphetamines. I'm really not too sure...

It's tragic when you meet someone who could have had everything, but threw it away for a bit of fun, especially if they are your friends. Maybe you can talk some sense into him man, in any case, good luck

 

[Legerity]

Heavy drug use can definitely create personality change. I was often accused of using drugs when I wasn't even high because I would often space out completely without any explanation. Even in rehab they thought I was getting high sometimes because of the way I was.

Things like this can go away with time, it doesn't necessarily reflect permanent damage. With some common sense it can be avoided so that we don't turn out like Ozzy.

 

[Inoxia]

Hallucinogens can leave you thinking differently, but when you're constantly dissociated it must be difficult to adapt to reality. Personally I wouldn't use DXM more than once a month.

 

[Lord]

A cousin of mine tried DXM at low doses, but it didn't do anything that I can see. His problem was more with other drugs.

It's the same with me, I've done 100-200mg several times with minimal side-effects, 300mg three times with few side-effects (once with 5-htp and a bit of a panic attack), and once at 450mg with another little panic attack.

450mg definitely did something. I felt a little strange, felt slow and my vision seemed to drag noticeably for a few weeks. But *individual* marijuana highs have left me with as many side-effects. I feel a bit like the way you describe your friend to be. Not really in control of my body like I used to be, and my self-awareness has plummeted since I started using marijuana daily... and everything else has only made it worse. I usually feel like I'm putting on a mask when I'm around someone, I communicate through simplified segments of expression and speech, and I automatically act like someone else, or like I'm in a movie. My mind feels empty. I used to be the funniest and - I swear - brightest person in my class. I used to help the teacher when I was a kid, but now I can hardly come up with any good lines. I was easily the most advanced in mathematics, algebra at age 7, but around my 16th birthday I couldn't subtract 1.5 from 46 while sober, despite being amazing until I used weed more than a few times. Actually, I don't feel like I was sober at all during that time because the weed's effects would stay around. I've started to feel like my old self after some work and a bit of time, but things are nothing like they used to be.

Yep, drugs make you stupid, and in my experience and opinion, tripping doses of DXM can be a lot worse than most other drugs. I didn't get severe or permanent effects from it, but 450mg is a pretty light dose for a DXM trip. I'd say no matter how low someone goes, it's always a good time to go clean. I can't see how it would be better if he continued using it, no matter how much of a zombie he is now. I'd try to get him to quit, and make him realize what he's done as much as he can, but without pushing it too much, of course.

 

[paranoid android]

Well using DXM frequently is bound to cause some problems. I have known of a few people who where taking rather high doses just about everyday for months or even years on end . It seems to effect everyone different and a few people seem to be able to get away atleast somewhat with it but they are in the minority no doubt. A woman of my aquintence used it just about everyday for a good 6 months or so and upon quitting is still as intelligent as she ever was (she is really intelligent) and did not seem to suffer from any long term personality changes.

However i know of many more people who where turned into permanent space cadets for lack of a better term due to long term heavy DXM use. They seem permanently out of it, spaced out, somewhat annoying at times due to their actions and seem sort of dumbed down as well. So yes i would say that long term and heavy DXM use can cause changes that are atleast temporary.

I never got into taking DXM much as i always found it to be too unpredictable for my liking. I often got much different effects at the same dose of DXM for some reason which was one thing i didnt like about it. Also i can't currently take it at all with the various psych meds im on. I can't really compare it to ketamine at all which is one of my more favoured drugs and maybe my second fav dissociative next to nitrous. I find DXM to be much closer to PCP then ketamine as it has the same dirty feeling to it and after effects that can last for a good while when the trip is over.

The scabs could simply be from him picking himself when he is itchy as DXM can make some people really itchy. Also since heavy DXM use can cause a psychotic state he could be picking at imaginary things on his skin while he is hallucinating. The best bet for your friend would be to lay off DXM and all other drugs for awile and give his brain a much needed rest. The longer he uses the bigger chance he has of not returning to his old self.

 

[XhatedgeX]

Thx for the responses

Yea I agree with all of you, it can vary from person to person. but his heavy use was a little harder than most i suspect. He told me he has used DXM over 120 times since he turned 18 (he just turned 20) and that's about 600 mg's a pop.

And that isn't just steady usage, that's binges and breaks. Binges are extra dangerous I've heard because you don't give your brain time to recover from recent uses.

All the things I read about damage from heavy use line up perfectly with his symptoms. When we were hanging we were goign to go into town to get some bud. And I didn't put my seatbelt on right away cuz I normally get comfortable and make my seating adjustments before I fasten it and the seatbelt reminder was going crazy and I was like "damn crazy fucking beeper. sorry i dont put my seatbelt on the SECOND i get in the car!" OBVIOUSLY joking you know and he just turns and sneers "the fuck you dont" in an extremely mean, sarcastic tone like he is actually angry about something. And I'm just like wow this kid has lost it.

And then on the way there I was flicking on the lighter and he got super angry at me for doin that because "cops watch for that" apparantly or somethign lol i dont even know!!

I dont have anythign against DXM either I've done it like 5 times although the last time I did it I realized that I dont really like it. I felt like my brain was swelling and I was just unable to think and my face was all stiff it was ridiculous.

I tried talkign to him about quitting and that it can't be good for his brain but he just doesn't see it I think I'm just gonna hang with him again and tell him that he is basically a creepy weirdo and is permanently going to f himself up and already has f'd himself quite a bit. He doesn't have a single friend, the only people that talk to him are his dealers and they even tell him to quit lol.

Idk it just makes me sad and amazes me how he is a COMPLETELY different person it seems

 

[Ixchellian]

I've noticed that DXM has a peculiar cumulative effect that works differently for everyone. mine is that after a while of doing it, now i get physically ill just by thinking of the CCC pills or robo bottles, my brain feels like its a few feet off to the left or right the next day or three, it also is never as good as the first few times and just gets dirtier and dirtier.
and dear god, its absolutely brutal when taken with psych meds.
but with everyone I've known that was a little nuts or off-kilter in the first place, i learned their use of disassociatives were never a good idea. I've been able to handle multiple doses of ketamine & pcp and recover okay, but I know of two guys who went permanently weird after a couple small bumps or a single sherm.

 

[QuasiStoned]

I had a period in my life where I was a relatively heavy DXM abuser. It was years ago and during a time when I was on probation and desperately searching for an escape, seeing as marijuana was now impossible to use thanks to drug testing.

DXM's effects are partially caused by DXM itself and partially by a prodrug called DXO. Something like 10% of the population cannot metabolize DXM -> DXO due to a deficient liver enzyme. I realized pretty quickly that I lack this enzyme. This same enzyme metabolizes codeine into morphine and tramadol into a more active prodrug ad neither of those had any effect on me (well tramadol had antidepressant effects but no narcotic effect regardless of dosage). My DXM experiences were always very long (24 - 48 hours) and also very strange. I still abused the shit out of it for several months until I started getting severe negative reactions. The last time I took it was probably 2 years ago and a small 90mg dose gave me a panic attack and caused me to almost pass out. My vision was "graying out" and I broke out in a cold sweat and felt ridiculously nauseated.

I had some interesting times with it in higher doses. I can vividly recall closing my eyes and watching scenes unfold right in front of me. It was crazy and very exciting for me, but all in all the side effects of DXM really outweighed the positives after a while and I just stopped. I don't think it had any appreciable affect on me long term, but who knows? I certainly can't say for sure.