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Yes is not the absence of no?

Your post is full of so many errors I don't feel it's worth me addressing it, but I'll look at a few things

Do you think i asked "whether homosexual rape can occur"?
If so, you misunderstood my hypothetical question-as-comment.
You literally asked "Men can be raped by other men, no?"
If that's not asking whether homosexual rape can occur, I don't know is.

I don't feel the need to make the sort of generalisations you are.
I haven't made any generalisations, I've presented statistics.

Are you belittling the victims of homosexual rape because it is rare?
I never said homosexual rape was rare, I said there were few studies done on the topic.

or in this case - sexist attitudes
Using statistics to dispel the bullshit you're spreading about women being the main victims and males being the main perps?
I'm not creating a sexist attitude, I'm trying to shine light on one that exists.

What exactly does "the women are worse than men" really mean? Are you articulating something I've missed, or are you a misogynist with major hangups about women?
It would appear your reading comprehension is far worse than I previously thought. The statement is referring to the statistics of homosexual sexual assualt, and how lesbians (women) have higher rates of sexual assault than male homosexuals.


Are you suggesting a return to 'simpler' times, when gender roles were strictly adhered to, heteronormative ways of living were compulsory, and sexual violence was frequently blamed on the victim - or simply ignored?
You sarcastically refer to the law protecting women - but I do not understand what is objectionable about this. Got hang-ups do we?

This is so ridiculous there's no point in me trying to ridicule what you just said. Nothing I've said in this thread has been facetious and somehow being a humanitarian and seeing the many flaws in the western feminism movement and the downplaying of male rape is akin to blaming and ignoring victims of sexual assault.. except this whole thread has been about how feminism and gendered rape policies do exactly that.
It's clearly apparent to me that you're the one acting in such a manner.

I love your ad hominem ending and your complete disregard for science and logic. Spoken like a true white middle class feminist!
 
She????????

Western feminism is so fucking gross

I will give you benefit of the doubt and assume it's because you can't legally rape a man in the US.

It's clearly the same for males except OP was referring to females. It obviously goes both ways but I suppose you can change every "she" to "she/he" if you'd like.
 
^ yeah, I think this sums it up. "Science" and "logic"? I don't feel it is necessary to defend my position from such shaky criticisms - or ad-hominem hypocrisies for that matter.
 
You know I am right so you can't respond to my argument and choose to shrug it of with some pseudo-intellectual projection. You have the view of sub-human trash. You see no problem with the current system because you benefit from it. You bitch and whine at perceived victimization when you are too incompetent to get the same pay as men at work and blame delusional conspiracies against your gender to conceal you own ineptitudes.

You impotent misandrists always play the victim in life so you never have to answer for your mistakes then you try and flip it back on me when I point that out.

Projecting your own perceived persecution on me is what is pathetic.
Assuming that I'm a woman (a subhuman trash woman, at that) is pretty funny.

You make a convincing argument...for banning you. I've noticed that your posts are loaded with threats and (what i can only assume are) fantasies of sexual violence.
Really charming.
 
There is nothing of substance in your post to respond to - just chauvinistic blame and a rather pathetic sense of persecution.

^^ This. Big time.


But at the same time I'm in shock because if Abject actually read any of their 'sources', which do not in any way support the arguments put forward... I actually do not know what to say.

Feminism has made a mockery of rape through lies and exaggeration (and rape culture, i still baffled when i remember people believe in that shit) which has caused people to take it less seriously. (many issues other than rape, but i'll keep this post relevant)
Men can't legally be raped which is why rape statistics are skewed (source) so if you want real rape stats you have to look under the “Other Sexual Violence” heading for “Made to Penetrate" which equals about 40% of rapists being women, and about the same number of male/female victims. Furthermore, these include attempted rape for women, and only include rape for men, not attempted. If we were to include prison statistics, men are raped more than women, but it gets messy as it covers sexual assault not just rape, and I'm not trying to mislead anybody (i'm not a feminist)
Then we can look at things like OCR's April 4th “Dear Colleague” letter (here, here) or what about rule 413 (, [URL="http://blogs.cuit.columbia.edu/culr/2012/11/28/repeal-rule-413-of-the-federal-rules-of-evidence/"]here[/URL]

In this study of over 7600 university students, men are raped more than women.

Then we see studies like this

Unfortunately 99.6% of all people incarcerated for rape are men (source)

but u know, protect our wiminz!!!!

Despite making a legal argument and citing no legislation or precedent, the source that allegedly states men cannot legally be raped in actual fact says on page 17
Among men, rape includes oral or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also includes anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.

And for someone who using statistics to support their argument I do not know where the statistic that 40% of rapists are women comes from.
Under the heading "Being Made to Penetrate Someone Else", the study states:
Too few women reported being made to penetrate someone else to produce a reliable estimate
Not to mention it is under the heading "Sexual Violence Other than Rape"

Also please re-read the definition of rape again.
Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. Rape is separated into three types, completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, and completed alcohol or drug facilitated penetration.
Attempted rape of men comes within the definition of rape from the source cited but then if men cannot be raped under the law then how would the law recognise an attempt?

For someone about statistics you seem to be missing the 'prison statistics' used to support the statement that men are raped more than women. Also the study of university students that supposedly further supports this statement is a study on sexual coercion within a very small demographic.

I am in no way trying to 'flip it back' on Abject but am genuinely shocked and didn't know what to do but try and make sense of it. If Abject actually read the sources cited, I cannot help but feel their understanding of rape is fundamentally flawed.

Still in shock and hoping that children who do not know any better posted some of these responses.
 
Assuming that I'm a woman (a subhuman trash woman, at that) is pretty funny.

You make a convincing argument...for banning you. I've noticed that your posts are loaded with threats and (what i can only assume are) fantasies of sexual violence.
Really charming.

Wow, if you are male than I don't understand how you could be so self-defeating. You gave the textbook Marxist feminist response. Women will always get a lesser sentence than men for the same act of crime. How do you reconcile this?

After women gained equal rights in the West feminism degraded into the venting of gender insecurity by taking pot-shots at men along with transexual delusions out of envy.
 
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That is the cheap, cowardly way out. I am not abusing you, I want to know why you could have such views. I will even edit the out the questionable part. Your beliefs are masochistic and self-loathing, it baffles me.
 
To the op: Yes, full consent should be a requirement for having sex. If the partner is not 100% into it, then just wait for the right moment.

It's really easy. Observe partner during foreplay/sex. If they're not into it, then adjust what you're doing or stop. I really don't see the big deal.
 
No, liberals haven't 'brainwashed' you. Yes, you can be drunk and have sex
It's impossible to debunk the myths of sexual assault when conservative 'experts' prop them up without any facts

One of the difficult things about trying to battle rape is the sheer number of myths there are about sexual violence - how often it happens, what actually constitutes sexual assault, and how much responsibility the victim has (hint: it's none). Lucky for me, though, a writer at the conservative free-for-all National Review Online has taken it upon herself to perpetuate almost every myth there is about rape in one handy, horrible article. Hurrah!

AJ Delgado's "Crying Rape" reveals just how tenuous her argument is right at the outset, in her sub-headline: "Is there really a rape epidemic? Probably not." Probably. *Shrug*?

Delgado writes that, "decades ago", rape victims were shamed and not believed, but today – in that glorious utopia where rape victims are constantly supported, always believed and never, ever shamed - the work of misguided feminists has led to "loosened standard for arrests in rape accusations". Amazingly, these supposed loosened standards have resulted in a whopping 10% of reported rapes leading to an arrest (60% of sexual assaults are not reported), and a tremendous, gargantuan 3% of rapists ever spending a day in prison. Tell me about standards again?

The definition of rape is also too broad, Delgado says, despite the very specific definition that the FBI recently created to debunk any misconceptions.

But here's what Delgado is most concerned about: that "prominent scholars and activists" define rape as any sex had after drinking alcohol. Who is making this extreme argument? We don't know. Despite their "prominence", Delgado fails to point out one scholar or activist actually saying such a thing. (Now, I'm sure you could find some radical individual who would argue that anything but sober sex is rape - but don't point me to a Tumblr and tell me it's policy.)

"Admittedly, I am no scientist," Delgado says - don't worry, we could tell - "but I am fairly certain that a statistically significant amount of sex – including very enjoyable sex – happens under the influence of alcohol. But by the liberal definition of my generation, I have been raped. Multiple times."

This lie – that anti-sexual assault advocates and feminists somehow believe any sex that involves drinking is rape – is an oft-repeated one, so let me set the record straight: yes, you can be drunk and have sex. What feminists tend to advocate for is enthusiastic consent - the belief that consent is the presence of a "yes", not just the absence of a "no". Throwing a few back doesn't mean you can't enthusiastically say yes to sex.

We're all adults here, and it's not difficult to tell when someone is too drunk to make a decision. A half muttered and barely coherent "yes" by a half-passed out person? No. A buzzy, happy, "rip my clothes off"! Yes. Let's not pretend we don't know the difference. Because rapists sure do.

The myth that drunk men "accidentally" go over the line with women has been thoroughly debunked by multiple studies.

Research from Dr David Lisak shows that predators consciously and with ill-intent use alcohol as a weapon to incapacitate their victims. That our society is less likely to believe a rape victim who was drinking – well, that's just icing on the cake for a rapist: it makes him a lot less likely to get blamed, let alone arrested or brought to trial.

Another recent study showed that men who attack drunk women know exactly what they're doing – there is no "he said, she said" sort of misunderstanding. As Kate Graham, lead researcher and a scientist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health and the University of Toronto, told NPR:

If you walk through a bar and grab a woman's breasts and then disappear into the crowd, that's probably not a misunderstanding ... you don't actually think that she wants you to do that. ... The lines really aren't that blurred.

Yet despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary, Delgado writes that American women are being "brainwashed" into believing that they've been raped. (I would like to invite Ms Delgado to repeat this in person to a room full of rape survivors.)

Delgado also believes that the rising number of reported rapes on college campuses are evidence of this brainwashing, snarkily remarking that "there has not been this number of criminals running amok since England colonized Australia." Had Delgado done her homework, she would know: only 4-8% of the US college male population consists of rapists, but they just happen to rape a lot - an average of six victims over the course of their college career. And thanks to armchair rape "experts" like Delgado, they enjoy a tremendous amount of freedom and support - from a media that blames victims, a court system that humiliates those who come forward, and a society that overwhelmingly believes perpetrators.

When men make the kind of argument Delgado does - bending over backwards with no evidence or research - to say that rape really isn't that big a problem and that what women call assaults aren't assaults at all, I generally advise women not ever leave themselves alone with them. Someone who has such a stake in arguing that rape doesn't happen makes me nervous.

When women say these things, though, I think about how selfish they are. Because the only reason I have ever been able to come up with – for why women would ignore facts, science and the experience of so many rape survivors – is that they believe victim-blaming will keep them safe. If only "bad" women get raped, then they don't need to worry about getting attacked themselves.

No matter the motivation, however, it's all just wrong. Wrong on facts, wrong on policy, wrong on feminism. It's too bad, because there are lot of us trying to make it right.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/22/liberals-brainwashed-rape-drunk-have-sex
 
There was a bogus study done by a respectable government agency in the United States that asked women if they had ever had sex after consuming any amount of alcohol than claimed that these were all rapes, despite never asking if they were assaulted. This caused the media to report that one in five university women have been raped. Your article is bullshit. The claims that have been made about rape by the author are based on assumptions about non-reporting the incident (how would they know?). The claims Delgado is making did not arise out of no where and the author resorts to weasel words and misrepresenting data just to be politically correct.
 
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