i heard some shit about campus rape policies on the news, i forget what exactly was said but among the things said was that a girl has to actually say "yes" to sex.
personally i disagree, doesn't that kind of kill the moment if you pause and say "may i put my penis in your vagina? sign and date this form that you have agreed to intercourse, imma need 3 forms of ID your social security #" while making out, getting naked, going down, etc etc?
to me "no" is verbal or physical resistance, i would hate to see (some) feminists destroy sex for all of us by basically making all normal sex rape.
They probably mean saying yes in the sense that she demonstrates willingness to participate. That doesn't need to be through the word "yes" in itself, it could be through other words or actions.
The point being if shes just passed out or high out of her mind on something and you fuck her while she isnt showing any willingness to have sex, then you are raping her.
She has to want it and engage in it, just her not saying "no" in itself isn't a greenlight for you treezy.
The point being if shes just passed out or high out of her mind on something and you fuck her while she isnt showing any willingness to have sex, then you are raping her.
Without even going that far, she may just not be into it, but be afraid to forcefully say no. She might pull back, he says "come on baby," and she just gives in. That's not rape but it's not exactly enthusiastic consent either.
It's consent, enthusiasm hasn't much to do with it. I'm sure a lot of people have had sex in moments where that's not what they really wanted to be doing and it wasn't forced or rape. Some would say it's called marriage. :D
I think no one should be having sex with anyone unless they were 100% sure the other person is comfortable with it, so I don't think that policy is going too far. It's only common sense. I'm sure it's not literal about the word yes in itself.
It's not about feminism. Men get sexually assaulted too - and the same rules apply.
Having said that, the most common victims of rape are women, so that is why people tend to say "she".
The power relations between the sexes are often not equal, and the law reflects this.
There are a lot of reasons why women in particular need legal protection from sexual violence, exploitation, opportunism and abuse - but that's not to say it doesn't apply to men as well.
It's got more to do with "victim" and "perpetrator" than gender politics. The assumption of women being victims of sexual violence relates more to statistical likelihood than politics IMO.
Consent is a really important part of any sexual encounter.
It doesn't need to kill the mood, unless you are particularly socially awkward. If you're having sex with someone you can't have a basic level of communication with, then you probably need to make sure relevant parties are all in agreement as to what is going on.
No, yes, no.
Feminism has made a mockery of rape through lies and exaggeration (and rape culture, i still baffled when i remember people believe in that shit) which has caused people to take it less seriously. (many issues other than rape, but i'll keep this post relevant)
Men can't legally be raped which is why rape statistics are skewed (source) so if you want real rape stats you have to look under the “Other Sexual Violence” heading for “Made to Penetrate" which equals about 40% of rapists being women, and about the same number of male/female victims. Furthermore, these include attempted rape for women, and only include rape for men, not attempted. If we were to include prison statistics, men are raped more than women, but it gets messy as it covers sexual assault not just rape, and I'm not trying to mislead anybody (i'm not a feminist)
Then we can look at things like OCR's April 4th “Dear Colleague” letter (here, here) or what about rule 413 (, [URL="http://blogs.cuit.columbia.edu/culr/2012/11/28/repeal-rule-413-of-the-federal-rules-of-evidence/"]here[/URL]
In this study of over 7600 university students, men are raped more than women.
Roughly works out to one week of sentence per rape. Of an 8 year old. Imagine if that had been a man, or that guy outside the mosque with bombs had been a muslim outside a church..
Why would you ask whether male homosexual rape can occur? Now you don't care for the stats of female homosexual sexual assault?
How can you claim to care that it's a fucked up thing when knowledge about the demographics of victims/perps means nothing to you?
That's pretty fucked up.
Do you think i asked "whether homosexual rape can occur"?
If so, you misunderstood my hypothetical question-as-comment.
What is "fucked up" about my post? I asked if you know anyone that has been raped.
I know plenty; men and women. All perpetrated by men.
But I don't feel the need to make the sort of generalisations you are.
Are you belittling the victims of homosexual rape because it is rare?
The reason statistics don't mean much to me is because sexual violence has affected the lives of many people close to me. Generalisations about men and women (and how hard done by men are in this regard) are fairly meaningless to me.
Statistics can be used to justify all kinds of nonsensical beliefs, or in this case - sexist attitudes.
A man that sexually assaulted someone I am very close to (a straight guy, fwiw) received a small fine and a 6 month good behaviour bond for drugging and molesting his victim.
Anyone can be the victim of a sex offender, and in my experience it can really fuck up the victim's life and mental health.
Injustice occurs in many different ways.
What exactly does "the women are worse than men" really mean? Are you articulating something I've missed, or are you a misogynist with major hangups about women?
You don't need to explain that if you don't want to - but I admit i don't really understand what alternative you are proposing to the laws regarding consent. "Feminism" is not a single, unified body of thought - it is more of a conversation, made up of multiple - often radically opposing - viewpoints.
Feminism is frequently denigrated by individuals with all kinds of grievances and issues with women, but the truth is that various waves of "feminism" have been a major developments in western social and cultural evolution.
Many of the people that rally against feminism seem to be talking about Radical Feminism - one of the many schools of thought that comprise the broader umbrella term of "feminism".
Are you suggesting a return to 'simpler' times, when gender roles were strictly adhered to, heteronormative ways of living were compulsory, and sexual violence was frequently blamed on the victim - or simply ignored?
You sarcastically refer to the law protecting women - but I do not understand what is objectionable about this. Got hang-ups do we?
Women get to cheat the system by always playing the victim in court. If there is a man present they get off easy an get a less sentence for the same crime than men would. This inequality you speak of is made up. It is a way to rationalize letting women have a massive institutional power advantage they can easily abuse. It is an anachronism that must be eliminated.
Women want equality only when it benefits them. There is a pathetic double standard in the courts. You pretend you think the genders should equal but women should always get the benefit of the doubt when they lie in court and never have to take the same level of responsibility for their actions. This selective equality is not necessary and has no basis in reality. Women can always pretend they were raped whenever they get drunk and do something embarrassing during sex but this is impossible for men.
You know I am right so you can't respond to my argument and choose to shrug it of with some pseudo-intellectual projection. You have the view of sub-human trash. You see no problem with the current system because you benefit from it. You bitch and whine at perceived victimization when you are too incompetent to get the same pay as men at work and blame delusional conspiracies against your gender to conceal you own ineptitudes.
You impotent misandrists always play the victim in life so you never have to answer for your mistakes then you try and flip it back on me when I point that out.
Projecting your own perceived persecution on me is what is pathetic.
