WTF Doc, someone help me.

[beachlake]

ok, i have a few things i need help with, i have been reading this forum for awhile now and it has really helped me through. i will try to make this shot with that i have been useing pills since i was 18, im now 27. started with oxys then to herion( smoking), i stopped the herion because the WDs where, HOLLY HELL!!, but only to trade it for oxys and percs. i take close to 100mg-150mg of oxy 5mg a day and up to 300mg a day of percs 10mg onother days. during the summer i make alot of money that supports my adiction, but the winter it gets hard and do half that a day do to less money.
recently i decided to enter myself into a subs treatment, 6 weeks was a waitlist and nearest apointment i could get. i continued to use till then, i had little money at this point and was very far into negitive. once i was able to be entered into the program i had no money to get pills, at least till next pay day 2 weeks out. i started the prgram going into it thinking i had be clean due the horror stoies ive heard about not being clean when starting. i do my first drug test before actually takingand of course its clean, i had no money for more. i picked up my script and came in a few days later and started my first strip. taking a drug test everytime come in, for three weeks now. they are now clean because i dont want pills for the most part ecept at night, but im able to fight them off or take some of the strip.
My last apointment was monday and everything about this apointment was fustrating. My doctor was upset, VERY UPSET! with me, that all my test have been clean. she exsplains to me how im at risk of being kicked. she goes into how strict the program is and how regulated it is. i was asked how i can prove to her i need help, i told her all i have is my word, i guess. as you know an addicts word means nothing, to most people especially a doc thhat deals with us aot. What i took from it is she needs a dirty test?
ive been thinking about this alot, im very happy i have made 3.5 weeks not using. but i know if i lose program i will be right back where i started and maybe even worse. i have thought about getting some to give her what i think she wants? ive heard alot of these doc are crooks and its so messed up to think. i have to relapse to stay in?
im sorry for the long post i felt the need to give my background,i guess to justify it to myself. i cant explain how this makes me feel. can someone give me some advice or thoughts on what i should do.

 

[oxlong27]

Is your piss clean from sub's too? I mean if there is sub's in your piss but nothing else, is that not the point? Why would she be upset with clean piss tests? I mean that makes no sense. Are you sure she doesn't mean you have no trace of sub's in you? That could be an issue because she could be thinking you are selling them. If your taking your meds as prescribed there should be zero issue.

 

[Asclepius]

Firstly, well done on the 3.5 weeks - this is fantastic

The matter with treatment is obviously an insane situation, that has been presented to you. Is it possible that you can get a sample from someone else? Ends justify the means - especially when regulations are so inhuman! In lieu of that, is there any other option available to you, don't panick and keep your head straight (as you have been doing so well)

 

[johnnypotsmoker198]

The struggle that comes with an opiate addiction and kicking that opiate addiction is extremely hard.

I have heard stories from friends who went through the same issue getting the doctors appointments for Suboxone (about a 3 month waiting list). With treatments like suboxone and methodone, there is heavy regulation that the doctors have to follow to ensure the prescription being prescribed is for an opiate addict and not an opiate seeker.

Your biggest mistake was detoxing prior to getting suboxone, which is honestly a red flag and horrible advice. Opiates will stay in your system for about 3 days in a urine test so the fact you were 3 days sober seems to point in the direction that you are not an addict. Where you can have issues with suboxone is you want to make sure that opiates are not in your system prior to treatment as this can throw your body into instant withdraws.

if you did not fail your first drug test, to be honest, If I was a doctor, I would also not be comfortable with prescribing you the medication as these drugs can enable non-addicted users as opposed to assist with opiate detox.

You will not fail for opiates with Suboxone so the only thing you can do at this point is continue your medication. In reality, as an ex-opiate addict, you should be able to kick the habit in about 7-10 days on suboxone then stop the medication completely. Heavier addicts can opt for a maintenance plan, which will allow you to continue to take suboxone for extended period of time.

If you fail for opiates on a drug test, this will for sure get you removed from the program, so relapsing to continue the program will have the opposite effect.

Just keep in mind, the most important thing is to stay sober, stay busy and try to stay active. Congrats on the 3.5 weeks and the good news is, even if you do get kicked out the program, you should not experience physical withdraws from suboxone.

You will however, have to deal with mental association and withdraws mentally that can take their toll. Conquering the physical withdraws will be the first initial step, however, you will have about 3-6 months following that mentally you will crave the drug. This is why the maintenance program is a good option.

The only advice I can offer is to stay on the Suboxone as long as possible, but being that you have already gotten through the physical withdraw symptoms, it maybe a good option move away from opiode based maintenance and look towards a xanx/anti-anxiety solution to assist over time.

You just don't want to switch one addiction for another, so the decision will be yours.

 

[beachlake]

thank you everyone, i definetly understand the situation. in all honesty i should of gave her a dirty test but was ignorant to what was exspected. i am taking the subs and it is in my test, there was alcohol in my system to and belive she was upset becuse i was trading one addiction for another. ill have a better conversation with her at my next appointment and hopefully clear this up. thank you all again for the replys.

 

[beachlake]

also if i must say, its rather discuraging to think that under those circumstances i wouldnt of started in the first place. as addicts i think we all know theres times that we cant get any or have no money to get them. ive been doing this for a very long time and although i am not a addict that has rock bottom i am one drug test away from that happing. my entire adult life i have been snorting pills. i understand that it may be possible to kick it 7-10 days. im not sure i would be able. i cant over taking my subs as soon as i wake up since we all know what happens and the feeling we get when we wake up, im not sure if it normal but i used to wake up in the middle of the night sweating and that feeling of aching and i would snort atleast one to fall back to sleep. my doc did tell me she espects me to relaspe at least once or twice. as long as i tell her she is ok with it. alcohol is my next excape i undersatand that is bad. but im trying and i really need this. im freaking out. im allowed to as long as i tell her and itll show her i am,but i dont want to go backwards. for the first time in years i got paid and didnt buy pills. our medical help is so jacked up. thank you for replys, but im back to thinking thr wrong way again. not to say you did it, but its got me thinking again and thats bad. i dont need to justify and prove it to you guys but im very young in my clean state. thank you for the support on my 3.5 weeks its now 4 for what it worth thank you.

 

[johnnypotsmoker198]

also if i must say, its rather discuraging to think that under those circumstances i wouldnt of started in the first place. as addicts i think we all know theres times that we cant get any or have no money to get them. ive been doing this for a very long time and although i am not a addict that has rock bottom i am one drug test away from that happing. my entire adult life i have been snorting pills. i understand that it may be possible to kick it 7-10 days. im not sure i would be able. i cant over taking my subs as soon as i wake up since we all know what happens and the feeling we get when we wake up, im not sure if it normal but i used to wake up in the middle of the night sweating and that feeling of aching and i would snort atleast one to fall back to sleep. my doc did tell me she espects me to relaspe at least once or twice. as long as i tell her she is ok with it. alcohol is my next excape i undersatand that is bad. but im trying and i really need this. im freaking out. im allowed to as long as i tell her and itll show her i am,but i dont want to go backwards. for the first time in years i got paid and didnt buy pills. our medical help is so jacked up. thank you for replys, but im back to thinking thr wrong way again. not to say you did it, but its got me thinking again and thats bad. i dont need to justify and prove it to you guys but im very young in my clean state. thank you for the support on my 3.5 weeks its now 4 for what it worth thank you.

I think being open and honest with your doctor is probably the best solution. She may not react as you suspect (who knows?)

Keep us up to date on how it works out.

 

[beachlake]

i will, thank you. im fairly shy person so talking to someone i dont know its difficult. I need to understand shes not the enemy, my addiction is and shes on my side, but she has to justify why shes on my side. i can understand why shes upset, and i was oblivious to the alcohol being part the reason. i dont see my doc this week ill be out of town, but next week i wiill and i will honest with her and i update you on the situation. thank you for the help johnny, and everyone. someone to talk to that knows how much this sucks helps. im ganna stay clean and stop chasing other avenues to alter myself.

thanks again,