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Wow... LSA blew LSD out of the water had the best trip of my life last night.

I've had some good trips chewing them up and swallowing... but most of the time it ends up in me under-dosing, usually taking half of what I bought for an intended trip.

It's not only the taste there is something in those seeds that just doesn't mix well at all with your tastebuds and will initiate the nausea reflex after you start getting into them... the resulting state is of utter disgust...

I can powder a bunch of it up, cap, and drop just fine and have nothing but minor queezyness for only an hour instead of a horrid come up experience when actually chewing them.

No difference in potency for me in capping/parachuting vs. chewing... Only difference is if I don't chew them I am able to handle so much more. :)

My experience with CWE is that i need atleast double to get the same effects if I am lucky, I don't even bother with it. I will gladly pay a hour or so of unease for an amazing all day trip. If anything its a sense of purging negative energy, just dealing with it all and then being done with it for good. MG's HBWR have such a shamanistic type vibe to them and I love it.

Yea, you touched on something key to the LSA experience here. I have a strong stomach but pavlovian conditioning is pretty real and after associating the taste with queasiness, the act of chewing seeds or tasting the drink itself can be quite nauseating. MG seeds are horrible in this regard, as you need to chew so much more material.

Drink preparations, using alcohol and an acidic element(i.e. oj+rum) to maximize extraction, help and can be the swiftest route to a trip if done right--though once you quarantine the taste, these too can be awful.
 
I have to conclude that the people raving about the seeds are just young neophytes without proper connections who have never experienced a significant dose of real pure LSD or 3g of dried psilocybin shrooms. LSA's woozy nauseating delerium cannot compare, LOL. I mean sure they are a decent dipping of your toe into the psychedelic experience, but there's a reason 99% of people move on to real drugs, man.

Real drugs for people with real connections? Come on Dwayne, I do hope that's just your sense of humour as I thought you were the more broad-minded type. Like slimvictor, I have many years experience under my belt with psychedelic drugs, with many high-dose excursions as well as profoundly life-transforming experiences, and I regard LSA to be an immensely worthy psychedelic.

Perhaps because LSA is legal, highly available from your local DIY store as oppose to the Brotherhood of Love, and doesn't carry the romantic associations of LSD's politically taboo "counterculture" history, it's just a false drug for neophytes who want to say they're part of the psychedelic movement?

If you dose it right, LSA is nothing short of amazing.
 
Your right on one thing: LSA is a much clearer trip than the shrooms, but there are no visuals to speak of--at least not the overwhelming kind like high dose LSD presents; and certainly not the caliber of near anything else
You have no idea what you're talking about. Eat 50 grams of morning glory seeds and tell me the visuals don't compare to other psychedelics. Cause I did, and they do. I know how high of a dose this is, but I did it anyway, and it was fucking awesome. I've had just as good of times on LSA as I have on LSD.
 
You have no idea what you're talking about. Eat 50 grams of morning glory seeds and tell me the visuals don't compare to other psychedelics. Cause I did, and they do. I know how high of a dose this is, but I did it anyway, and it was fucking awesome. I've had just as good of times on LSA as I have on LSD.

I got amazing visuals on what were my high doses of 20g

I bet I could handle more if I were to really take care of my body before hand... like not smoking, eating really healthy, and working out a bunch.

I do all those to some extent for leading up to my MG trips and it usually takes away any vasoconstriction or muscle tightness... the times I have used MG's in when I was in bad shape resulted in a moderate yet uncomfortable body load.

LSA's visuals to me were nothing short of stacking the visual effects of mushrooms and mescaline.
 
Never done mescaline, but to me it was a more grounded, earthy, and peaceful trip in comparison to LSD's electric excitement. But the visuals were so full formed, not even when I took LSD, shrooms, and E did I see visuals in that intricate of detail.
 
I have only tried weak lsd blotter, would like a full blown experience, I figured if it was anything like LSA I'd love it, being that they're both RELATIVELY similar compounds from what I understand. I was able to do LSA watching braveheart with my dad, not the best idea but I'm suprised at how relaxed and easy to handle it was for a psychadelic, I could never do that on shrooms, I'd be completely out of it, yet the experience was pretty much as intense as a recreational dose of shrooms (i ate a lot, chewed them up). I didn't laugh my ass off like shrooms, but it was beautiful, colors, morphing, even some visuals that accompanied the music and theme of the movie (mel gibson's face went from young to old to skeleton and back) since then I haven't been able to handle them without puking them all up and wasting seeds.
 
You have no idea what you're talking about. Eat 50 grams of morning glory seeds and tell me the visuals don't compare to other psychedelics. Cause I did, and they do. I know how high of a dose this is, but I did it anyway, and it was fucking awesome. I've had just as good of times on LSA as I have on LSD.

So I don't have a scale, I do have a cheap 3 oz coffee grinder which i filled with all the morning glory seeds I had left (60-70 g?); did a acid/alcohol extraction and evaporated to resin/putty stuff. I ended up eating all of it with this kool-aid that to this day I cannot drink.

13 hours later, trying to sleep with my stomach still feelin shit i've never felt, I decided to give into the nausea and threw up fucking straight soap. O i tripped all right and fairly hard--couldn't even digest all the shit and was beginning to worry around 8 hours in as the trip continued to grow in intensity and dysphoria. DPH didn't help the nausea, but did help me keep the shit down as long as I did.

I took like 3 shots of gin after purging, felt much better and was able to drift off to sleep eventually.

That said--I experienced visuals all right; much more than the fairly nonexistent HBWR ones.
Still, those have been trumped insanely by my JWH high doses(and overdose), DXM, DXM +JWH, 250g Molly + heads and poppers on the comedown, all of my shroom trips, bzp +coke + weed, all of my 2c-i trips, MXE +weed + tram(don't even try, tina comedowns, etc...

I have completely lost visual contact with reality on
DMT, 2ci + Nitrous +SALVIA, 8g Shrooms +nitrous, ?microgram trip of LSD (36 hour ordeal...)

LSA might work for you, but overdosing the hell out of morning glory seeds has got me nowhere near some of my milder psychedelic experiences.
To me HBWR is the way to go, and insights are what you go for.

If you want to trip proper, you try to find something a little stronger...
 
I enjoy to trip really hard, and lsa just hasnt done the trick for me. Ive eaten 22 hbwr seeds at once and they were potent. not the trip i really wanted.
 
So I don't have a scale, I do have a cheap 3 oz coffee grinder which i filled with all the morning glory seeds I had left (60-70 g?); did a acid/alcohol extraction and evaporated to resin/putty stuff. I ended up eating all of it with this kool-aid that to this day I cannot drink.

13 hours later, trying to sleep with my stomach still feelin shit i've never felt, I decided to give into the nausea and threw up fucking straight soap. O i tripped all right and fairly hard--couldn't even digest all the shit and was beginning to worry around 8 hours in as the trip continued to grow in intensity and dysphoria. DPH didn't help the nausea, but did help me keep the shit down as long as I did.

I took like 3 shots of gin after purging, felt much better and was able to drift off to sleep eventually.

That said--I experienced visuals all right; much more than the fairly nonexistent HBWR ones.
Still, those have been trumped insanely by my JWH high doses(and overdose), DXM, DXM +JWH, 250g Molly + heads and poppers on the comedown, all of my shroom trips, bzp +coke + weed, all of my 2c-i trips, MXE +weed + tram(don't even try, tina comedowns, etc...

I have completely lost visual contact with reality on
DMT, 2ci + Nitrous +SALVIA, 8g Shrooms +nitrous, ?microgram trip of LSD (36 hour ordeal...)

LSA might work for you, but overdosing the hell out of morning glory seeds has got me nowhere near some of my milder psychedelic experiences.
To me HBWR is the way to go, and insights are what you go for.

If you want to trip proper, you try to find something a little stronger...

Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for others. My roommate has had just as intense mushroom trips as I've had LSD & LSA trips, but that doesn't mean I go around telling people to take LSD over shrooms, LSA is a proper drug that you can get amazing results with.
 
tried 4xHBWR seeds today, was nice, insightful, a touch of fear

chewed them alot; i was thinking that maybe saliva interacts with them somehow, since people often report chewing helps, but it could just be about making them easier to be absorbed by the stomach

nearly lost my shit on the train, but listened to a song with lots of harps and looked at the delicious nature outside. i think i was just coming up so to speak

things started out really wonderful; listening to caribou, stroking my
cat

once i got to a friend's house felt euphoric and giggly
 
So people who use MG seem to be getting more visuals than those who use HBWR. Has this been widely noticed/documented?
 
tried 4xHBWR seeds today, was nice, insightful, a touch of fear

chewed them alot; i was thinking that maybe saliva interacts with them somehow, since people often report chewing helps, but it could just be about making them easier to be absorbed by the stomach

nearly lost my shit on the train, but listened to a song with lots of harps and looked at the delicious nature outside. i think i was just coming up so to speak

things started out really wonderful; listening to caribou, stroking my
cat

once i got to a friend's house felt euphoric and giggly

exactly...

it is by far no where near the most "recreational" drug... but I'll be damned if it isn't the most insightful

its like LSD at a slowed down pace that you can actually make useful changes from...


So people who use MG seem to be getting more visuals than those who use HBWR. Has this been widely noticed/documented?


absolutely, HBWR might give a more tranquil and mind manifesting headspace but trust me you dose MG's high enough and they will be one of the most visual drugs you experince (talking long lasting psychedelics, not the immersive shot out of a cannon short duration kind like DMT or sally d)
 
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I think that the different effects profile of HBWR and MGS means that HBWR is less visual and more stimulating while MGS is more visual and less stimulating, both with intricate uniquenesses to them.

I have tried HBWR several times, but only experienced proper visuals when I combined with 2g of rivea corymbosa; the morning glory seeds that the indigenous mexicans use/used and which are a bit more potent than normal MGS.

I think that the lysergic amides in the HBWR bumps me up above the threshold LSA effects, and then when the receptors are already being activated, the rivea corymbosa lysergic amides can come into play and agonize the right serotonin receptor subtypes to steer the experience in a more visual direction.

Also weed helps a lot.
 
I’ve had about 20 LSD trips all of low-medium strength I would say (based on effects, experienced friends rating of the tabs and other bluelighters ratings on ‘LSD info request’) so I haven’t even begun to experience the full effects of LSD but I do have some experience.

I ate 8 HBWR seeds a few weeks ago and got a very mild but pleasant trip with no visuals whatsoever.

I ate 14 HBWR seeds from the same batch yesterday, just chewed them up really well then swallowed and it was by far the most incredible trip of my life.

The visuals were better than I thought possible and then adding nitrous they just became ridiculous – endless neon fractals, my average sized-room becoming an enormous psychedelically painted cathedral, see-through alien creatures writhing on my ceiling, my roof becoming see-through to reveal robotic crab things, huge frogs, gears of machinery all incredibly detailed and realistic I could go on for hours describing the visuals. The euphoria was ridiculous – better than mdma.

I can honestly say I had no idea what I was fucking around with with psychedelics. It was very humbling and while it was probably the best day of my life I am so, so glad I was at home, in bed alone or it could have gotten completely, nightmarishly out of hand.

I don’t think I’ll be tripping again for a while. I have gotten all that I wanted out of psychedelics for the time being but I do look forward to future explorations.
 
can anyone give me an estimate of grams to number of seeds...???

i remember eating 300 MGs for a strong trip, with definite visuals...and eating 600 for absolute other-wordlyness with visuals comparable to any other psychedelic.

i used to know the gram amount that i ate, but i've forgotten since its been a few years
 
This is one of those times that I will have to say to each his own. IME LSA, wheter in HBWR or morning glory seeds, can't hold a candle to good/clean/REAL LSD.

I'm glad you had a good time but I just have to question the quality of LSD you had been getting :)

Really? From a mod? Come on, countless people have had +4 trips on lysergamides from seeds, me included. Are you really so up there, as to assume that none of us who find an ally in these seeds know what a full 500ug of clean LSD-25 trip is like?

and

Originally Posted by DwayneHoover said:
This is silly. I'm happy OP had such a potent and insightful experience on LSA. And everyone has their preferences. But I too have got to question the quality of the LSD he has had.

The seeds have a half-dozen alkaloids in them. And most morning glory seed is not going to be very potent like the kinds found wild around the equator as they have been bred for generations for their flowers, not their alkaloids....but good ones are out there.

Time of year, preparation, seed age, alkaloid ratios, then throw in the Peter Webster isoergine to ergine boat/ergine chair equilibrium theory and you can understand why there are so many variables.

But the seeds can, will, and do provide a +4 every bit as useful, meaningful, etc as LSD-25 when the time is right, intent is there, and you get the goods from the plant to your head correctly.
 
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^Absolutely agreed. I just did 15g of MG seeds again last night and had one of the most profoundly visual trips I've ever had. At this dose, what really won me over was the incredible OEVs, rather than the CEVs (which were still cool)... spirals of colorful energy just flowing from the grass and trees, making giant patterns on the air and the ground... and the music! holy fuck. MGs were made for listening to music, Chopin's chords sounded absolutely thundering and powerful, Everything In Its Right Place by Radiohead sounded like a fantastic symphony of alien noises...

I've had plenty of high dose LSD experiences ranging in upwards of 400ug and I've had plenty of good shroom experiences (4g potent cubensis, 2g cyanascens, etc) and none of these held a candle visually to 15g of morning glory seeds. The only long acting psychedelic I've taken that rivals what I saw is 2ce, but in a very different, darker way.
 
I agree too. Discovering the delicate immensity of the LSA experience is a wonderful thing.

MGs were made for listening to music...

That was one of the first things I remember as I was floating in to my first LSA trip. I was composing a choon with a couple of good musical friends, and the way in which it enthused our creative association with what we were doing blew us away.

I've been thinking about Morning Glories a lot more recently. I feel them calling. They are a perfect summer psychedelic. As said above, +4 flirtation is easily possible with LSA.
 
I think what people are saying is that if one "blows [the other] out of the water", there is possibly a quality issue with one or the other. Both are very strong and it is strange that one could be considered vastly superior if there was no discrepancy in relative dose.
 
Agreed. I wasn't suggesting one was better than another. They are very different. But just as DPT is different from 2C-T-7 which is nothing at all like a-MT....they are all good psychedelics for their own reasons.

Same with pure LSD-25 vs lysergamide mixture from seeds. Personally, I've had too many experiences to count with both....but there are a good half dozen organic lysergamide experiences that changed me, and a half dozen or so LSD experiences that I did my psychedelic time on.

Now a days, neither really interest me much. The only thing I have any interest in trying from the (readily available) lysergamide family would be a concoction made from authentic, self-collected wild Rivea Corymbosa or wild Ipomoea tricolor (which may be the ancient tlitliltzin or it may not be, it's never been truly established).

Seeds bred for pretty flowers are just that. When natives make decoctions from seeds, they are said to use a thimbleful and I've never had any store bought, or vendor bought, seed that strong...hence my desire to collect some wild specimens from Oaxaca, and elsewhere in Southern Mexico.

I grew up on LSD, that one doesn't interest me much (unless with MDMA) but boy would some of the 6-substituted analogues of LSD sound great. And for my own answers, I'd kill for a sealed vial of pure, synthetic LA-111, iso-LA-111, and d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide. Put to bed why the seeds are so variable, and which variable we truly want to go after.
 
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