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would you ever turn anyone onto drugs?

If I felt very strongly that I could help the person out of trouble, I would give the person what I might have to help. I will always give a family member a weak pain pill or half of a stronger one, especially for cramps.

Also if someone in the family gets a panic attack I will give him or her my clonopin because panic attacks are a buttmunch.

I wouldn't give or offer anyone any recreation substances. I would feel I was taking a very big risk in doing that. imho.
 
If I felt very strongly that I could help the person out of trouble, I would give the person what I might have to help. I will always give a family member a weak pain pill or half of a stronger one, especially for cramps.

Also if someone in the family gets a panic attack I will give him or her my clonopin because panic attacks are a buttmunch.

I wouldn't give or offer anyone any recreation substances. I would feel I was taking a very big risk in doing that. imho.

There's this great story by William Burrough's where he's in some hotel room preparing a shot of heroin, but he hears this boy in the other room screaming in pain from kidney stones. So William, ever the protagonist, goes and gives the boy his last shot of dope to relieve the pain. As he get's back into his room, an amazing rush come's over his body, and god give's him a free high.
 
I read Burrough's once or twice a year, although I never had a course on him, and I've never taught him in the classroom.

I googled it but didn't find it. Do you think you could Google me a link?
 
There's this great story by William Burrough's where he's in some hotel room preparing a shot of heroin, but he hears this boy in the other room screaming in pain from kidney stones. So William, ever the protagonist, goes and gives the boy his last shot of dope to relieve the pain. As he get's back into his room, an amazing rush come's over his body, and god give's him a free high.

'The Junky's Christmas' FTW! :)

Ugly, there's a great version with Burroughs reading it on the The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy : Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales. At work so can't check a correct a link to it on Youtube but gotta be on there. Highly recommend that album. :)
 
Yet, however recently a friend of mine who's never even used wanted me to get her heroin. She knows I do it occasionally and now wants me to get her bags.... I was like oh shit... What do I do?...Do I want to get her dope? Honestly no... I don't want to feel as if I am the reason her life was ruined.

Heh, you're definitely not a dope fiend, which is GOOD! Any true dope fiend/opiate addict would've seen that for the opportunity it is: $$$. If you got someone comin to you to buy skag who obviously cant get it anywhere else you've got a golden opportunity on your hands as a drug addict.

Having said that, i'd feel horrible if i were the cause of someone becoming a junkie along my lines. While I have introduced people to opiates and other drugs, most of them already had drug problems (coke, crack, meth, etc) and me introducing them to opiates was just giving them another option for a fun night. No one i ever helped introduce to opiates developed an opiate problem. If I HAD been that cause? I would've felt so awful words cant describe it.

Someone in here said they'd have no problem doing so because drugs have positives as well as negatives. While this is true, just because heroin has an upside does NOT mean i'd be ok with creating another junkie. Nor should anyone for that matter, how you can justify that is disgusting.

And I dont wanna hear "oh well they'll get the drugs somewhere else derr" . That does NOT make it ok. If you steal someones paycheck just "because someone else was gonna steal it anyway", does that make it ok? No that just makes you as big a scumbag as the next guy. If you didnt help hunt jews back in Nazi germany, they found someone else to do it, but that didnt make it ok...

Its not ok for Carlos the dealer to turn your friend Joe into a heroin junkie and it is definitely not ok for YOU to turn Joe into a heroin junkie. In fact I'd say its worse if you do it, because as a friend you're supposed to have certain responsibilities: looking out for their interests is one of them. Getting a friend hooked on dope...I mean christ, with friends like that right?

A lotta people i've met at meetings who introduced/got people hooked on drugs, have made it their life goal to balance that out: so if they got 5 people hooked on crack they're now trying to get 5 people clean. Honorable intentions if you ask me.
 
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^Actually 2negative neither could I, and I had a good long look for it more or less soon as I got online this evening, partly to edit in a link but mainly cos I just wanted to hear it myself. Nearly 20 years since I heard that album and can't believe it's not on Youtube, though there are a couple of other Spare Ass Annie tracks on there. Just not the ones I was after. Struggling even to find a download from the usual suspects. :(

p.s. I just somehow managed to open two tabs at the same time right clicking the above link and wondered WTF i was listening to as both tabs played back simultaneously slightly out of sync. Massive reverb, dub stylee! :lol: How have I never discovered this before? Next time I'm on drugs I'm so coming back to a bit of twin-tracked Bill! :) Ha!
 
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I have pointed a few different people down the path. Some got out of control. I am now more moderate in my approach. I give they as much unpropogated, actual information at a steady rate that doesn't overwhelm them and let them make their own choice. I choose to not be ignorant, I just try to help my friends be the same way. Actual drug use I do not condone heavily.
 
There are some people in this world that definitely need to get high, no 2 questions about it.............as far as turning someone onto drugs. Depends who it is.........
 
Heh, you're definitely not a dope fiend, which is GOOD! Any true dope fiend/opiate addict would've seen that for the opportunity it is: $$$. If you got someone comin to you to buy skag who obviously cant get it anywhere else you've got a golden opportunity on your hands as a drug addict.

Having said that, i'd feel horrible if i were the cause of someone becoming a junkie along my lines. While I have introduced people to opiates and other drugs, most of them already had drug problems (coke, crack, meth, etc) and me introducing them to opiates was just giving them another option for a fun night. No one i ever helped introduce to opiates developed an opiate problem. If I HAD been that cause? I would've felt so awful words cant describe it.

Someone in here said they'd have no problem doing so because drugs have positives as well as negatives. While this is true, just because heroin has an upside does NOT mean i'd be ok with creating another junkie. Nor should anyone for that matter, how you can justify that is disgusting.

And I dont wanna hear "oh well they'll get the drugs somewhere else derr" . That does NOT make it ok. If you steal someones paycheck just "because someone else was gonna steal it anyway", does that make it ok? No that just makes you as big a scumbag as the next guy. If you didnt help hunt jews back in Nazi germany, they found someone else to do it, but that didnt make it ok...

Its not ok for Carlos the dealer to turn your friend Joe into a heroin junkie and it is definitely not ok for YOU to turn Joe into a heroin junkie. In fact I'd say its worse if you do it, because as a friend you're supposed to have certain responsibilities: looking out for their interests is one of them. Getting a friend hooked on dope...I mean christ, with friends like that right?

A lotta people i've met at meetings who introduced/got people hooked on drugs, have made it their life goal to balance that out: so if they got 5 people hooked on crack they're now trying to get 5 people clean. Honorable intentions if you ask me.

Yeah, I'm not in junkie mode at the moment... Keeping my use down but even when I was a raging addict I still wouldn't of done this to a friend... I've never felt the need to ruin someone else's life but mine. Yeah, I sold drugs before (okay cops this is fictional duh) and I've stolen things but I just couldn't imagine fucking over someone you care for. In the end I would just cut off ties until I got clean if I really couldn't handle the relationship.

Anyways I still haven't gotten my friend heroin. I'm really mad at myself now because she covered my ass the other day with money... Now she's like you could cover me with some dope. I get my paycheck later today (thursday) and I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I really don't want to be the one to give her heroin. Then again I'm thinking maybe I should it would be fun doing dope with your friend. The junkie in me needs to stfu. I guess its true, misery does love company.

Damn, still thinking on this.
 
i was turned onto drugs , which had its positives and negatives , i got a fair few people into weed , dont regret it they turned out responsible drug users . i was turned onto the needle at 16 which i loved at first and slowly became a terrible lifestyle . unfortunately i turned a fair few people onto it , more so they asked me to do it for them and i agreed and a few i made it appeal to them , in my low times in order to get my fix , this i am not proud of and highly regret it seeing the way alot of them have turned out .
 
I'll just be honest here.

When YOU (you know who you are!) are leaning up against a 7/11, scratching off your scratch off ticket... wouldn't you rather just spend that $ on drugs?!

I'm sick in the head some would say... I'm just a recovering IV drug user that's all :p =D
 
I'll just be honest here.

When YOU (you know who you are!) are leaning up against a 7/11, scratching off your scratch off ticket... wouldn't you rather just spend that $ on drugs?!

I'm sick in the head some would say... I'm just a recovering IV drug user that's all :p =D

I know the feeling completely. Every cent I see, every bday card with a 10 in it, or that random "buy yourself something nice $20" from the grandparents my first thought is oh I can buy illegal substances with this! Lol and I honestly don't feel that bad about it..I mean it's whatever I guess. And dude, I'm sorry, I can't say I know the feeling cause I've never IV'd but I'm guessing that probably sucks :( stay strong!

And to answer the thread question, yes, I have before and probably will in the future. I dont see anything wrong with it..I mean that's how I discovered drugs-through my lovely friends
 
Would you be okay with it if you gave your best friend his/her first ever line of Heroin, continued using with them, and then 3 months later theyre a junkie? Is there nothing wrong with that? 8) Im not trying to come off as a dick, but just merely asking this question that came to mind. I feel that theres a very fine line when it comes to what substance to introduce to certain people.
 
No, the drug culture life style is not for everyone. People that lack discipline and hobbies can quickly get sucked away into a life of regret they never saw coming. "Addictive personality" or not, drug users are either extremely strong individuals or very weak minded individuals, it all comes down to how drugs attract polar opposite people.

And yes, the consensus of the lifestyle is very neutral. There are ups and downs. People that want to experience a more positive outlook of drug life will moderate themselves.
 
I never forced anything on anyone, but I certainly was the one or few people that introduced a lot of my friends to drugs in some way or another. A lot of my friends were introduced for the first time through one of the individuals I "helped" turn on to drugs in the first place, so in a way I've influenced a large portion of my friends. That is not to say that they wouldn't have started indulging in drugs with or with out me. People will find a way into using drugs a lot of the time whether or not you are the one to do it. I honestly rather me be the one to do it than most other people. I have a vast knowledge about drugs (pharmacology, personal experience, etc.), drug culture, and harm reduction, so I help my friends make better choices when it comes to taking them. None of my friends are really anything other than primarily weed and psychedelic drug users, but majority of them have tried opiates, benzos, coke, amp, etc. None of them have formed a habit. I'm the only one who indulges in harder drugs on a regular basis, and have a physical dependence to opioids. All things considered though, even with my addiction, I still maintain myself better than harsher realities that surround drug addiction.

Anyway, yeah, when ever my friends have a question about drugs, I'm usually their go to guy. I've introduced people to DMT with imo, and those who I have gave spice to, a fantastic experience. I wouldn't ever just hand them some DMT and say have fun, I would invite them over to my apartment for the experience. I would clean my room very well, turn on some ambient lighting and chill hand selected downtempo or ambient music, then give them a run down about the experience. Very HR, and it has always ended up with my friends having a unforgettable experience.

I have hooked friends up with small amounts of h, coke, ketamine, etc, and also give them a good run down of what they are going to experience. I always try to let them know the positives and negatives of everything they might try, and the safe way to go about doing it.

even with hooking friends up with H, none of them have gone out and continued to use H. Though, I couldn't feel to bad if they did, because I did what I could to let them know about the dangers associated with messing around with such a drug, but in the end its all on their shoulders. My friends aren't stupid, so I can bother place the fault of someone going down the bad path on my self. I know my addiction with substances were solely because of myself, even if the first time i tried oxycodone 9 years ago was because my friend threw me 20mgs of oxycodone and 60mgs of codeine.

I wouldn't go out and give someone substances if they aren't in the right mind or place though. If i see a friend struggling with life and trying to get some opiates, I wouldn't do it because I know that's how it started for me. I saw my life falling apart after I left the hospital from an illness and missing the last 2 weeks of the 2nd semester of my third year at college. I know how easy it is to get sucked into harder drugs in times like this. I rather just load them up a fat bong.

Also let me note that I've never pushed anyone into using drugs, I've offered people to smoke weed with me, or try other substances after talking to about it if they are interested. Addictive substances I don't offer unless asked, unless they are a very good friend of mine who I know has a good head on their shoulders. I respect people who don't want to indulge, and I will never pressure anyone.
 
I'll just be honest here.

When YOU (you know who you are!) are leaning up against a 7/11, scratching off your scratch off ticket... wouldn't you rather just spend that $ on drugs?!

I'm sick in the head some would say... I'm just a recovering IV drug user that's all :p =D

I used to work at a gas station and so I'd see how much money people would throw down on scratch cards and what not, and I would always think about what drugs/how much I would be buying if I had that cash on me. Funnily enough I would even have some roxies 30s delivered to me while I was working from one of my dealers back in the day.
 
Would you be okay with it if you gave your best friend his/her first ever line of Heroin, continued using with them, and then 3 months later theyre a junkie? Is there nothing wrong with that? 8) Im not trying to come off as a dick, but just merely asking this question that came to mind. I feel that theres a very fine line when it comes to what substance to introduce to certain people.
Though, I couldn't feel to bad if they did, because I did what I could to let them know about the dangers associated with messing around with such a drug, but in the end its all on their shoulders.
Good counter-argument to my question, whether intentional or not.

If I personally introduced someone to something like Heroin or Meth, and they knew the risks, etc etc then I could see myself not feeling as bad if I had just offered it to them without any information at all.
 
I gave everyone I've introduced h to (3 people total) the whole low down about h, even if they've heard it before. They also trust me because of my knowledge and vast personal experience. They could have gone out easily buying white easier than myself (I actually went through one of the friends I introduced it to, to buy with their friend who is an insanely smart junky ). They never went out and bought any. It was just special occasion to try some h and have a good time. What people do with themselves after they have the proper knowledge presented to them, is up to themselves. I gave them better information than what they would have gotten from most people, so I helped give them a better chance to keep it as a occasional little treat. They were all students at UNC-CH, have tried drugs for years, and in their twenties. Once given the the right HR info, its up to them to make the right choice. Anyone can make the right one, or make the wrong one. In the end its not because the person gave them the drug, its because they decided the path in life to follow with it. I blame myself 100% for my addiction, as I knew every time I put opiates, amps, or whatever into my body I was getting closer and closer to falling into trouble.

People who blame others for their addictions for the most part imo are just trying to avoid holding themselves responsible for their own actions (this applies to those with some understanding about how addictive drugs are, and aren't very mentally unstable). Yeah, those with out any sort of HR can and will fall into addiction quicker and more likely than those with out, so I will say those who introduced them to it may have some part in their addiction, but most mentally stable individuals know that H in particular is an addictive substances, so they still are making the choices. Non-mentally stable individuals may be the few set of individuals along with younger individuals (16 and below imo) who shouldn't be introduced into drugs and where the exception would lie for being partly responsible.
 
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