Stimulants Would stimulants worsen opioid withdrawal?

[Kellsee]

I don’t understand why men want to do the stuff they wanna do.

 

[jayyss]

They definatley help!!
I have used meth successfully to remove about 70% of heroin withdrawal.
It also certainly helps with PAWS and energy

 

[dkx147992]

Depends on where you’re at and your pain tolerance.

Me? If I know I’m not going to sleep anyway adds or ritalin help keep my brain occupied. Also if you need to work and carry on life as normal while W/D it helps.

Stronger stimulants? Ehhh not until you’re 72 hours in. Coke will make you feel hella worse and you’ll have nothing to help u come down from that. Or grab 5 grams and go nuts for 5 days, dont come down, but you’ll feel like the world has changed when it ends lol.

My recipe ( used painkillers for 12 years-clean from opiates since 2021) used to be adderall or ritalin sparingly first 48 hours and increase to provide dopamine after that. Its not as hard as u think to quit the stimulants once you’ve quit the opiates that used to smooth u out.

The risk is you get uber hooked on speed, then relapse on benzos or opiates to maintain.

I’ve done all of the above and bottom line i’d rather have stimulants to get thru it than not

 

[dkx147992]

Believe it or not, dopaminergic stimulant meds actually help opioid withdrawal

Gabapentin or even better Pregabalin plus low dose benzodiazepine (Valium 10mg) or even a Clonidine 0.1mg tablet work wonders….but the best would be:

Pregabalin 150/300/450mg (depending on body weight & tolerance)
Diazepam 10mg X 2-3 tablets daily (1week approximately)
Ritalin 10mg X 2-3 daily
Clonidine 0.1mg an hour prior to bedtime (5+ hours after last stimulant) potent anxiolytic & sedative

All three of these compounds work amazingly together, potent anxiolytic properties + muscle relaxation & anticonvulsant effects….the dopaminergic stimulant works wonders for RLS and provides the essential mood-boosting properties, increased energy and eliminated depression & doom from opioid withdrawal

Mu-agonist opioids & dopaminergic stimulants both target the same centre of the brain responsible for pleasure & reward. A therapeutic low dose would be very comforting combined with the Pregabalin & Valium

You are spot on. Ritalin is the best opiate wd aid, esp if you have to work or be around ppl.

Adderall too, but its more of a physical high than a mental focus, rits allow you to focus on tv, movies, games, anything but the fact you’re in hell.

I prefer a 10 mg IR every 2-3 hours, concerta / other ER formulations are NOT as effective.

If i have 20s, i take half orally then bump the other half in an hour. Heaven in opiate WD.

Great post dextro

 

[dkx147992]

Lol dude @Dextro .45 you always are around the corner with your hair-trigger drug suggestions. I can laugh because you remind me of myself when I was younger. I don't doubt I would've said something similar. The combinations you recommend would anesthetize most normal people out there. Not all people are on our level man

I don't recommend stimulants during Opioid withdrawal. In general, they make everything worse. Anxiety, sweating, nervous tics all of that stuff.

I would just say take the Gabapentin and if that actually makes you feel better, you can take some caffeine.

But they dont—stimulants release dopamine and you dont feel like shit. Depends on your biological makeup too. Im orescribed ritalin 20s - 60 a month for adhd, so the drug has an effect on me it might not on ppl without adhd.

Even without a stimulant tolerance, it wont cause anxiety and sweating, i took 3 20s today and had to put on a hoodie cause i was freezing.

The combination of energy and mental stimulation sheds the shit you think it would cause

 

[jayyss]

Depends on where you’re at and your pain tolerance.

Me? If I know I’m not going to sleep anyway adds or ritalin help keep my brain occupied. Also if you need to work and carry on life as normal while W/D it helps.

Stronger stimulants? Ehhh not until you’re 72 hours in. Coke will make you feel hella worse and you’ll have nothing to help u come down from that. Or grab 5 grams and go nuts for 5 days, dont come down, but you’ll feel like the world has changed when it ends lol.

My recipe ( used painkillers for 12 years-clean from opiates since 2021) used to be adderall or ritalin sparingly first 48 hours and increase to provide dopamine after that. Its not as hard as u think to quit the stimulants once you’ve quit the opiates that used to smooth u out.

The risk is you get uber hooked on speed, then relapse on benzos or opiates to maintain.

I’ve done all of the above and bottom line i’d rather have stimulants to get thru it than not

I have in the past successfully switched from a daily IV heroin habit to an occasional IV meth recreational "habit"
My trick in the past was wait until im really sick (2 days after last opiate use) --> take loperamide etc.. but i would IV 0.1g of meth. It certainly made me forget about heroin withdrawal for a while.
I would stay awake for one, maybe two nights... and then crash and get a good nights sleep. By this time it would almost be 4 or 5 days since i used heroin.

Strangley, Meth also stops the sneezing, and diarrhea for a couple of days.
* i would not recommend this unless someone is experienced in meth as well....
A better option would be to use suboxone or methadone to remove heroin withdrawals.. then cease after 5 days.

 

[dkx147992]

I have in the past successfully switched from a daily IV heroin habit to an occasional IV meth recreational "habit"
My trick in the past was wait until im really sick (2 days after last opiate use) --> take loperamide etc.. but i would IV 0.1g of meth. It certainly made me forget about heroin withdrawal for a while.
I would stay awake for one, maybe two nights... and then crash and get a good nights sleep. By this time it would almost be 4 or 5 days since i used heroin.

Strangley, Meth also stops the sneezing, and diarrhea for a couple of days.
* i would not recommend this unless someone is experienced in meth as well....
A better option would be to use suboxone or methadone to remove heroin withdrawals.. then cease after 5 days.

You’re right i just said this in another post it LESSENS the wd symptoms but more importantly it is powerful enough to distract you and the clock stops moving slower.

I think we get it because we probably are speed freaks or have abused stims extensively. One without the experience or for lack of a better word “love” for speed might not do as well this route.

But id wait until it was time for my ritalin script to even attempt detox when i was fighting the opiate war

 

[jayyss]

You’re right i just said this in another post it LESSENS the wd symptoms but more importantly it is powerful enough to distract you and the clock stops moving slower.

I think we get it because we probably are speed freaks or have abused stims extensively. One without the experience or for lack of a better word “love” for speed might not do as well this route.

But id wait until it was time for my ritalin script to even attempt detox when i was fighting the opiate war

As we know time slows during opiate withdrawal, so meth definatley helps in that instance.
I had never really had ice before (never injected it) and to be honest 0.1g IV is very powerful for a non speed freak. But yes distraction is the key here.. but it does help with the physical aspects of withdrawal as well.

 

[HelpMe464]

Sure it could....any low dose, long acting substituted opioid would suffice....Methadone would be best IMO ....even 5mg daily, then 2.5 week after, 1mg week after, 0.5mg week after, then every 2 days 0.5mg

Clonidine 0.1mg tablet are a God send.....probably the most valuable drug required
Diazepam 10mg awww that beautiful muscle relaxation & anxiolytic effects
Pregabalin 150mg essential comfort compound
Ritalin 10mg after your comfortable from other drugs, the increase in Dopamine & Norepinephrine will provide the needed mood-boosting & antidepressant effects

Side note.....I took Tramadol as an Opioid naive person 20 years ago....perfect atypical weak opioid with antidepressant properties Serotonin & Norepinephrine properties

Add a safe dopaminergic stimulant like Ritalin with boost Dopamine 3-4X in the CNS and add an Oxy-IR 5mg for added euphoric pleasure

If you're knowledgeable about the complete pharmacological profile of every drug you take, DDI's etc, and a tolerant healthy individual, using safe, low therapeutic doses....there's is a VAST list of beautifully formulated oral drug cocktails / hybrid specialized Brompton Cocktails ....and can be tailored for any need. An anxiolytic cocktail....analgesic painkilling cocktail, a mood-boosting / antidepressant cocktail providing modest euphoria, confidence with pleasurable pro-social properties

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I need you to go here asap buddy

 

[Dreamflyer]

Short answer: YES!!!

When I used to go through opioid withdrawal, my anxiety was so bad that I couldn't even look at a cup of coffee.

 

[HelpMe464]

@Dextro .45 can I get you to go here for me ?

Help with a plan to detox. Doing up to 1g fety a day I plan to stop Tom. I have 20 of the 15mg oxycodone 12 10mg perks 2 40mg methadone 1 xan bar 4 purple 1mg Xanax and 8 somas and 60 gabapentin. I figure that should be enough to get through the detox right? lol help with a plan of action to use all this to detox??? Reply’s ASAP please!!!! Like what should I take first? How much of each to take!? When to start taking it? Etc…

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

Gabapentin or even better Pregabalin plus low dose benzodiazepine (Valium 10mg) or even a Clonidine 0.1mg tablet work wonders….but the best would be:

Pregabalin 150/300/450mg (depending on body weight & tolerance)
Diazepam 10mg X 2-3 tablets daily (1week approximately)
Ritalin 10mg X 2-3 daily
Clonidine 0.1mg an hour prior to bedtime (5+ hours after last stimulant) potent anxiolytic & sedative

10mg of Diazepam is NOT a low dose.
That would make me super tired.

150mg Gabapentin OR 5mg diazepam (or 1,25mg Lorazepam) are enough. Not in combination, one of the three.

And it's important to only do that for the first few days. For ODSMT 2 days with a GABA-ergic (5mg diaz on one day, 1,4g Phenibut on the next day) were enough. The first day of withdrawal I added 10-20mg ketamine in three or four lines every hour or so.

Some Ritalin or Amphetamine instead of thr Ketamine is fine for shutting up your Nucleus acumbens.

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

@Dextro .45 can I get you to go here for me ?

1g of Fentanyl?
You mean stuff cut with Fent, right?

I'd take a moderate dose of one of the opioids you have to assess what dose you need to lessen the withdrawal symptoms to an acceptable degree.

Start low. Maybe 30mg oxycodone in the morning & in the evening is enough to get through the day?
It depends on how potent your fent mix was.
Maybe you'll need 120mg of oxy or something, I don't know.

Find the lowest possible dose you can take & still feel more or less okay.
Then take that for like 3-5 days. Then lower the dose (if you start with 30mg oxy 2 times a day, switch to 30mg oxy in the morning & 15mg in the evening. Keep that for 3 days. Lower again. Etc).

After a few weeks of lowering your tolerance, you can stop taking any opioid & take 150mg Gabapentin for 3-7 days. No longer than 7 days though. You really don't wanna switch your opioid dependance with a GABA-ergic dependance. That withdrawal would be even worse.

Maybe try to get some Loperamide to take together sith the Pregabalin.
Take Magnesium & try to eat healthy & drink a lot of water.

 

[HelpMe464]

1g of Fentanyl?
You mean stuff cut with Fent, right?

I'd take a moderate dose of one of the opioids you have to assess what dose you need to lessen the withdrawal symptoms to an acceptable degree.

Start low. Maybe 30mg oxycodone in the morning & in the evening is enough to get through the day?
It depends on how potent your fent mix was.
Maybe you'll need 120mg of oxy or something, I don't know.

Find the lowest possible dose you can take & still feel more or less okay.
Then take that for like 3-5 days. Then lower the dose (if you start with 30mg oxy 2 times a day, switch to 30mg oxy in the morning & 15mg in the evening. Keep that for 3 days. Lower again. Etc).

After a few weeks of lowering your tolerance, you can stop taking any opioid & take 150mg Gabapentin for 3-7 days. No longer than 7 days though. You really don't wanna switch your opioid dependance with a GABA-ergic dependance. That withdrawal would be even worse.

Maybe try to get some Loperamide to take together sith the Pregabalin.
Take Magnesium & try to eat healthy & drink a lot of water.

It’s pure white Fent powder off a brick bro I smoke a gram a day at least this same shit my friends will come over and use with me and take ONE SINGLE PUFF off the foil and need 3 narcans to come back. I have 25 15 mg oxy 5 30 mg oxy 3 methadone wafers 10 Xanax footballs 4 Xanax bars 90 gabapentin 300s 10 350 mg somas and a bunch of seraquil

 

[HelpMe464]

@[LEFT][COLOR=rgb(127, 127, 127)]CavernsoftheMind[/COLOR][/LEFT] I’m not getting bs cut like most in legit getting some of the rawest fent powder in the us bro. How much of the oxy would be just enough to stop the detox? I legit 3 15mg and 2 30mg all in one line and walked around like I didn’t do a damn thing. I still had to go smoke a .2 of the fent 30 minutes later to stop myself from sneezing every 2.5 seconds and stop the chills through my whole body man ​

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[HelpMe464]

And what about the benzos I have and the somas?

 

[StylishKidsInRiot]

They increase opiate withdrawal tho draw x 100 .. Benzos OMG don’t even mention