Mental Health Would I benefit from SSRI's?

Freshmanx17

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Hi, so I'm going through a really rough period in my life which is causing me great depression and anxiety and I was wondering if it would be beneficial to use an SSRI to help me combat this and get through this situation? Im 18 years old and the side effects like permanently lowered libido scare me a little bit....but I really need help right now so I'm thinking the benefits outweigh the risks. Do any undesirable effects go away after medication? Thanks for the advice
 
^Freshmanx17 If you are suffering from depression and anxiety then I would strongly suggest an SSRI. I have taken different ones such as Zoloft, Wellbutrin (SNRI), Lexapro, etc. and my favorite of all is Lexapro. Start at a low dose and gradually increase maybe 5mg each week. Obviously this is something you and your doctor can decide. Regarding the libido, in my experience it eventually goes away after you've been on the drugs for a bit -- not long - and then you're back in business (so to speak). So please don't let that stop you from getting help. Your libido will return if you just give the drugs some time. Also, I think you're asking if it returns once you go off the drugs and the answer is yes.
 
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First of all well done for being proactive in seeking help, that's not an easy step - and for those who've never experienced depression, they wont get how nervy that can be. You must acknowledge that the users of BL are not doctors or medical professionals, and it is imperative that you MUST see one if you are feeling like this. There are a lot of alternatives to treating both depression and anxiety with SSRI's, they're potent little things and shouldn't be seen as a quick fix.

I was on Citalopram (SSRI) for 6 months, and Venlafaxine (SNRI) for 12 months but I had to quit them in place of Agomelatine (a novel melatonergic drug used in the treatment of depression). This was due to the fact that the Venlafaxine had 'pooped out' and no longer worked, but equally as much, I also couldn't tolerate the side effects any more. They made me into a complete zombie. Granted my anxiety had been greatly reduced but in turn I was left with no emotion, no feeling, just numbness to reality.

I also had zero libido and my sex life was non existent. My girlfriend was incredibly understanding, and believe me, not all are. When I did have penetrative/oral sex or masturbated, I struggled to ejaculate a lot of the time because SSRI's cause me seriously retarded ejaculation. I quit Venlafaxine in September for favour of Agomelatine and as a result now suffer from premature ejaculation. If I'm honest, before I started SSRI's I could last quite a long time in the bedroom, but the use of SSRI's has now destroyed this for me. I'm seeking treatment from the 'damage' caused and it is getting better but yeah, it is a problem. I'm a 24 year old red-blooded male, naturally this does upset me.

It's such a tough choice to make, at the time I was suffering from incredible anxiety, I was wired 24/7 and Venlafaxine helped put an end to that, but it did come with a price. That said, there are other drugs for depression/anxiety that come with fewer side effects and may be better for your personal circumstances. My own advice for you would to be to take up a good few hours of your time and read up on all the different medications for depression and anxiety, get to understand how they work, the pro's/con's, user reviews etc... If your doctor decides that medication may be helpful, you'll be in a much better position to vent your concerns to your doc and you'll be able to have your say in choosing what help you get. The mental health section on BL is fab and you'll always get a good reply to any queries you have so feel free to ask absolutely anything!
 
First of all, freshmanx17, a round of applause for seeking help with your depression... it's one of the hardest things to live with. And there were no SSRIs when I was first treated, so the previous meds IMHO had worse side effects.

Fortunately, there are enough SSRIs out there now that if you react inadequately or poorly to one, your prescriber can try you on another.

Stay with us at BL and let us know how you're doing.
 
Thanks all. And I'm nervous about this because I don't want to use these meds for longer than even a year considering I know why I'm depressed - I'm 18 and bisexual and haven't told anyone PLUS I have strong feelings for a friend that no longer talks to me so I'm in an extremely unnerving situation right now and I feel like I'm losing control. Anyways, so an SSRI would be good for temporary use just to get over this and then I can come off and be fine? Once I take care of this situation I know I'll be 100x better its just so hard to do with no help.
 
Thanks all. And I'm nervous about this because I don't want to use these meds for longer than even a year considering I know why I'm depressed - I'm 18 and bisexual and haven't told anyone PLUS I have strong feelings for a friend that no longer talks to me so I'm in an extremely unnerving situation right now and I feel like I'm losing control. Anyways, so an SSRI would be good for temporary use just to get over this and then I can come off and be fine? Once I take care of this situation I know I'll be 100x better its just so hard to do with no help.

This is the right mindset for SSRI ime. They are for temparary relief of depression so you can get yourself to a more positive state of mind and try to resolve what is causing your depression, as it sounds like your depression is situational.

P.S. I saw your post about doing MDMA in the near future. I would not take the MDMA if I were in your situation because it will probably make your depression worse. Good luck man! :)
 
Thanks all. And I'm nervous about this because I don't want to use these meds for longer than even a year considering I know why I'm depressed - I'm 18 and bisexual and haven't told anyone PLUS I have strong feelings for a friend that no longer talks to me so I'm in an extremely unnerving situation right now and I feel like I'm losing control. Anyways, so an SSRI would be good for temporary use just to get over this and then I can come off and be fine? Once I take care of this situation I know I'll be 100x better its just so hard to do with no help.

Please don't worry about how long you'll be on the meds. Just know that right now it sounds like you need them and these can be of tremendous help. I would also suggest speaking w/a therapist about your bi-sexual issues, friends, life, etc. Combining therapy w/anti-depressants will give you a more successful outcome. You are not alone and you're healthy enough to know that you need help. That is a wonderful thing. Don't give up. You will eventually get to a place where you'll feel more grounded.
 
In your situation, it might be more beneficial to try talk therapy before jumping right on the med train. If that doesn't work, then try SSRIs. If you have a primary care practitioner, you can ask for their opinion and a referral to a specialist.
 
Im with Spork the studies on SSRI s show they are most effective for those with acute or severe depression. The failure rate was
Driven up by prescribing them to less acute or transient sufferrers.
I came off ADs at the beginning of the year but went back on them few months later as i waz decending quickly into
A bad place. After a bit of work with my GP i compromised and now tak 50mg of Amiltryptaline which has many less
Side effects for me.
ADs can be very useful in stabalising you to a kind of nutral state but it can be hard to really move forward from that
Place. IMO thay serve a useful purpose for some but i would avoid them if your symptoms are bearable and are not
Resulting in thought or actions of self harm.
A course of CBT may help if its avialiable to you, it was quite a relaxed and seemingly unconstructed process but it really helped to start making changes myself which i still use today.
 
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Im with Spork...

I too am with Spork on this one.

I think SSRI's are way over-prescribed and trying talking/thought therapies such as CBT should be the starting place. You should avoid taking SSRI's if at all possible.
 
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I've said before that I think I tried 6 SSRIs and they all made me very ill, pucking hllicinating and just plain bed ridden, as the time I was disspointed as I have been a long term heavy user of MDMA, now know a little more.

I've tried the usul mitrzapam (SP) did nothng other tha garrivate the alreday acute derealiam I was suffering and then a couple of tryclyclics, I should note that during this time a had to be admitted to secure care such was my state.

I came out of there on Thorazine and a Trycyclic which helped me get through a bad patch.

I was on Venlafaxine for 2 or more years and found it effeective in treating the worst parts of my depression, mainly the suicidal ideation and bouts of crying, I tried to get off but 6 months after stopping felt bad again and went back on, couldnt stand the insomia again so I'm back on the trycyclics.

I had a lengthy course of CBT and found it very useful in understanding some of the things that were making me unhappy, and did some proactive stuff to help deal with them,I wrote a letter to my father than was nver to be sent and read it to the therapist, it does sounds like much but it really helped, lots of other stuff, not a cure but reallly helpful.

ADs can reallt help in times of need but they can also stand in the way of moving forward, I take a low dose these days by choice I think it helps the obsesive suicide thing but I'm plannng on seeking more couciling about both my substnace issues and my persistane depression as I think it's the only way I will move past these barriers in my life
 
SSRI's work best with other therapies, irrespective of the severity of what it is you're treating.
My last psych didn't prescribe me anything until I'd seen him a few times, as using them as a standalone treatment has a lower success rate.

Personally I feel as if both talk therapy and anti-depressants are ineffective for me, and it'd be quite hard to obtain a dexamp rx with my a/d history.
I used to think I had a mental illness, but I think I just feel bad a lot and don't want to live.

This isn't about me though, sorry about getting off topic.
For the OP: I think it's stupid NOT to try therapy (both drugs and words) and nobody can tell you what will or won't work.
I would recommend trying something like Moclobemide or dare I suggest (only because I reacted badly, most people react well except for some weight gain) Mirtazapine before SSRI/SNRI's, if you're worried about (sexual) side effects.
 
Ive never seen any data for that but ill take a look.

My therapist said for CBT they prefer no meds, i gave up alcohol and benzo partly to get on a program.

Venlafaxine worked well in bringing me out of and keeping me out of my dark well...the one where you look up and cant see light.

Aside from numerous side effects the worst being relentless insomnia i felt very emotionaly blunted, more so than any other AD.

I think that kind of state may hinder dome aspects of therapy, although if its the only way you are able to be functional enough to go its way better than not.

CBT was no magic bullet but it changed some of ghe ways i deal with my thoughts and also helped me conclude personal work i had been doing around the relationship i have with my father.

Im so poor at talking about stuff counciling seems to be yhe only way, im going to contact yhe addiction clinic next week and stop pretending i dont still have a problem with aphetamines
 
I posted earlier via my mobile and I'm not about to start grappling with new streamlines edit process.

I have read a number of reports ( sorry no links, it'snearly 12 at night) on SSRI even prior to trying them, many will claim they have no value as they do with many ADs, I tend to disagree.

The reports on SSRIs suggested that to get a psoitive reponse from them that you needed to be in the acute depression bracket, meaning you have been suffering with significant depressive symptoms for quite some time, the results still showed that some got either no response or just side effects like nausea.

All the informaton I hav suggets gets that you need at least 4 weeks on an AD of this type ( brain chemical type SSRI SNRI etc) to see any real benefit, I've tried over 10 ADs and only ever got side effects prot to that time and it tooks 4 weeeks to plateu.

Over and over I see people in the UK being pre SSRIs, mainly Citilopram due to temporary emotional upset, divorse for example. I canlt see how that is going to be affective as it is unlikley many of this group would benefit to these 'brain regulators' sugar pills or a few Benzos to help them relax a bit...although counciliing would be my first choice.

Apologies for the slight rant but the question gave an opertunity to point out the the 'question do ADs work' is a non starter, they have there place like most medications and have been proven to deliver what they were designed for in those with acute and prolonged depresssion, I'm fairly certain that Venlafaxine kept me from suicide on at least one occation, but I was still keen to get off it ASAP.

Thats me done
 
Not sure what sort of studies you've been reading, but from the studies I've come across, results from SSRI's are quite often dubious. With a bit of searching you can find studies they didn't want to release/advertise, ample bias in studies.
The problem with people taking studies as fact is the fact they don't know how to analyze a study. Hell, I don't even know, I've just seen examples more knowledgeable people have pointed out which allows me to spot them.

It's not that you need to be acutely depressed to benefit from SSRI's. If you're feeling a lot of hurt, blunted affect is the solution.
Depression has shown to increase negative learning, and SSRI's have been shown to inhibit negative learning (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24065894) but the SSRI addled mind is no where near a "healthy" mind, with diminished learning in both regards.
This could account for it's treatment of OCD and anxiety disorders, but I'm not going there.

Depression has been proposed to be linked to both not enough and too much serotonin. Too much serotonin has somehow been proposed to be linked to suicide.
To be honest, we don't know shit as far this goes. We don't understand what causes depression, and this "chemical imbalance" theory has been shown to be ridiculous by both healthy and depressed people having varying levels of the chemicals we're talking about. The whole idea of targeting the brain on such a major scale is stupid, as these chemicals control many things, hence the very real effect of sexual problems (more common than a response as far as depression goes, too) among other things.
I mean look at tianeptine.
We do not understand the relationship between mood disorders and SERT/DAT/NAT in the slightest.

It's like making someone with a cut take a bath in anti-septic, only if the anti-septic had negative affects on the rest of your skin.

Of course there are severely depressed patients who don't respond to SSRI's, or many a/d's.
The differences between placebo and SSRI vary so much study to study, SSRI to SSRI, and realistically seems much lower than one would hope.

SSRI's will work just as well for depression that has been triggered by life changes, in fact I would go as far as to say it would be more effective.
Recommending benzos after a divorce is just absurd.


I don't think the question is a nonstarter at all, I think getting your answers on a screen is the nonstarter.
If they were proven to work, that is, put (and keep) a depressed person in remission, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
You keep harping on about acute and prolonged depression. Acute depression has more space to allow for improvement.
The very complaint of blunted affect goes to show how little people understand this shit.
These aren't happy pills. They won't stop someone from being unhappy.
They can supposedly dull immense pain, and take the edge off of the suicidal.

The person you should be asking is your GP/psychiatrist, because the only way you can find out what affect a drug will have on you is to try it.
Then again, with shit like low doses of SNRI's and stupid augmentation I feel it's wreckless to take drugs without first learning some fundamentals, like binding profiles, etc.
 
I understand at least some of the point you are making and to some extent I was playing devils advocate.

Given the diagnosis of Clinical Depression is more than a little dubious and certainly inconsistent across the medical profession not to mantion likely has numerous cuases and triggerss finding a patient group or even a control group is not going to be easy.

The mere participitation in a study could skew results, but there are numerous refernces to SSRI being more affective in those that are suffering a long term conditon, I'm no dcotor so may use the wrong terminlogy.

IMHO too many people are labelled as Depressed when more often they are having a temporary emotional episode as an exmple a friend of mine was offered Citilopram as she was getting a divorce, I don't feeel that is appropraite.

It's clear that we do not fully understand the role of Serotonin but this is the case for many drugs and biological systems. Drugs like SSRIs take at leasy 4 weeks to become effectives so are usless for short term crisis. Do they blunt emotions, well that is both dependant on dose and on the individual, some would descdribe it as stability.

MY view is that unless someone is in crissis talking therapies should be the first line, in the UK there has been a tendancy to jump striaght in with SSRIs so it's no wonder the hit rate of success is low with a treatment which is a long way from reliable in the first place.

After tryng lots of drugs I ended up on the SRNI Venlafaxine, I've read al sorts of cliams of how it poisen etc etc, yes it had side effects but it pulled me back from the edge and gave me the stability to address some issues.

Short term emotional issues should be monitored along with couciling and support, the last thing I would want to be given in that situation would be an SSRI or similar, for me it would make things worse.

Just my view from a patient not doctor angle
 
^very well said Allein

I believe I had posted many times about the bad reaction I had on an untested chemical last Dec of 2012 which resulted to a long term come down. I went to different doctors who did not force me to go into SSRI's for anxiety but suggested them to me so ease the anxiety and panic attacks I was experiencing at the time. I almost went to take them many times as well but decided to just stick to exercising and healthy eating and i got better. I think that if you have not tried other therapies yet or exercising you should go with these first before jumping into SSRI's. I think what turned me off from taking SSRI's are the withdrawals because they do not seem fun at all so I chose the natural path.
 
I've heard all these horror stories of w/d, but I've been on some quite high doses (e.g. 180mg duloxetine) with things like skipped doses, massive changes in dose, cold turkeys and just disregard for proper tapering, as I've never had any bad w/d's. The only effect I would be confident in saying SSRI/SNRI's had on me would be affecting my sexuality. SSRI's completely killed my sex drive, and SNRI's made my sexual desire stronger whilst making it harder for me to become aroused, so I ended up in a slightly depraved place from desperation.. It's hard for me to tell whether it was the NE activity or the place sexuality held in my life at that point in time as to how much everything contributed to it.
As I already experience(d) dull affect, it's hard to say how much blunting of affect there was (not much, though), and almost as if I was getting really bad less often but I didn't have the ability to cope with my usual mood, nor when things really did get bad. Whether I couldn't cope because there was more to deal with or I simply didn't have it in me is irrelevant as far as I see it.

Now I've also been on stupid doses (1.5g) of Moclobemide (RIMA) and I feel it goes against the nature of medicine, bluelight, and HR as a whole that SSRI's are a first line treatment and this is like a third or fourth line here, and not even available in the US afaik.

The side effect profile is tons better than SARI/SSRI/SNRI's (as well as T(e)CA's and nonselective MAOIs)
I truly feel as though SSRI's are produced and prescribed solely for profit, as depression rates rise.

I am feeling quite salty about the psychiatric system, to be honest, but I shan't spew that shit out for you.
 
I was put on antidepressants at 19. I am still unable to get off them (I'm 40). Every time I went to the doctor and mentioned a symptom - he would add another pill. If I had to do it all over again I would start out (after research on it) with yoga, meditation, and perhaps some natural supplements like Sam E, or St. John's wort. And best of all talk to a therapist - I always thought it was a joke until I went to see one Wow did it ever help. I would say try these first and if you have no improvement then graduate to talking to your doctor about a drug. I might also add that exercise on a regular basis will help immensely. Good luck - i feel your pain bud
 
With ADs it seems very much a case of YMMV, a good doctor should be clear about that.

I made a list of ADs and the reaction I had to them but I don't have it to hand :-

Citilopram - Felt very sick, confused and suffered full on hallucinations as well as it making me more suicidal

Prozac - made me projectile vomit with the hour 3 days in a row

Sertraline - caused internal bleeded ( never had that before or since)

Lofepramine - no side effects but ineffective

Mirtazapine - increased my de-realisation to such an extent I couldn’t leave the house

Vanlafaxine - Worked well for me, did suffer insomnia and other issues but had a definate effect on my depression.

I came off Venlafaxine (tapered a little) at the end of 2012, getting off was not pleasant but I managed to keep working and fuctioning. Unfortunately over about 3 months my depression became much worse and after a discussion with my doctor went back on it. My insomnia returned with a week and I could not face living that way again so I am currently taking Amitrytyline, I'm not convinced it is having a great affect but I'd largely side effect free so have decided to see how it goes for a few months.

I have been fortunate with my medical care, although I have changed doctors more than once when I have felt they are not best suited to dealing with these issues, I've met a fair bit of dismissive behaviour as I hold down a decent job and have wife and kids, what that has to do with it I really can't say, a history of drug and alcohol use doesn’t help sometimes either although my current doctor is a good man, we talk openly and he has trust I will tell him what is happening and also respects my choices around taking or not ADs.

The question of ADs blunting your emotions does seem to be the case although this manifest itself in different ways.

Further research is always going to help us move forward with our knowledge, we are still finding unexpected new uses for drugs that have been around for years, Aspirin for example.

I would say that on 2 occasions I have managed to avoid self harm or more Lilley suicide by taking Venlafaxine, for a short while I've also taken Chlorpromazine, many would be horrified by such a drug but there are times when these things do help people weather the storm of an episode that they feel unable to comprehend let alone work through.

I think it is a shame that the drug companies care so little about people and so much about profit so have positively encouraged the handing out of ADs with no formal assessment and often without talking about other options.

I do believe both by my own experiences and others I have know well that the right AD for the right patient can improve the quality of their lives and help them to start addressing the reasons as to why they are struggling to cope, At my worst I would not leave the bedroom and just curled up and sobbed for many days, my de-realisation was such I no longer believed that what I was seeing was real or even if I was real, it was a very dark place and I felt totally alone, talking therapies would not have helped me at that time.

Apologies if I have derailed the thread somewhat, it is very useful to read what others think about the subject, I read and respect their views and try to constantly review mine.
 
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