Opioids Would I become a codeine addict if I took it every day?

[pbuilder]

I hate it more than anything in the world when people attempt to blame their first heroin use as if they had no other choice because of withdrawals.

 

[Tommyboy]

I hate it more than anything in the world when people attempt to blame their first heroin use as if they had no other choice because of withdrawals.

I agree with Znegatives answer, so will quote it to answer you:

Of course the smart thing to do would be to try and taper down off the codeine and quit, but addictions really not that simple, and when you're addicted to the high, as well as trying to ward off physical withdrawal, switching to a stronger opiate makes some kind of warped sense.

I think price/availability is the other main factor for most people making the switch, but I think that there are people that would not have made the switch if they weren't sick. I tried it because my only oxy connect had it, and I wanted to get high. I wasn't in withdrawals or anything, and all he said was that a bag would feel like 60mg of oxy, so I bought one.

I never fully switched over to heroin, as I still get oxycodone when the price is right. I barely notice the difference between the two, and after taking long breaks it is a lot safer for me to take a known dose of oxycodone compared to heroin with an unknown potency.

Heroin is only more dangerous than drugs like oxycodone,because it's a black market product, and the purity of the dope varies, and it's often cut with some crappy shit. But it's not really much stronger than oxycodone mg per mg

Exactly. There are many prescription opiates that are stronger than heroin, and are commonly prescribed. Opana, Dilaudid, Fentanyl, and Suboxone are the commonly prescribed opiates that are more potent mg for mg than heroin. People with tolerances to these drugs are usually disappointed with heroin when they try it. Once they figure out how many bags they need to get as high as they would off of whatever dose of prescription opiates they were taking, it just comes down to which high will be cheaper. For people with really good pill connects, they usually just stick with pills, but the end result is still the same whether it's heroin or pharmaceutical opiates being abused.

 

[madog11]

And yes codeine withdrawls are a joke compared to most other opiate withdrawls because codeine has a ceiling effect, which is quite low (400-600mg) at which any more will just go to waste, and not be converted to morphine by the liver which is what gives it it's effects. Thus, the maximum amount of actual morphine you can get out of codeine and the maximum possible dose is actually a very very small amount, if I remember right 5% of the codeine thus 20-30mg morphine. You think that 20-30mg morphine withdrawl calls to start up on heroin?

Never wonder why you are an addict if that's your mind-set.

I have moved from codeine to DHC and that has no ceiling dose, I can no longer get any that are pharmaceuticals and it has actually crossed my mind to do very small amounts of heroin instead when i run out. This is not only because of the high but because getting high removes every ache and pain in my body (i'm a chronic pain patient).

Would you then congratulate me once i start having heroin withdrawals? As i mean, come on, codeine withdrawals are pathetic aren't they? Now i can be part of the club and experience proper withdrawals.

For the record i decided against heroin but instead of treating anyone on weak opiates like a joke why not show them the way out while they're still on the weak stuff, isn't that where every heroin addict started? Your attitude is the kind that i think incourages heroin use as no one wants be seen as a 'joke' for taking codeine do they?!

 

[RobotRipping]

i switched myself from a massive benzo habit to a codeine habit, i was taking 200-400mg per day usually (for 6 months or so every day), not to get high but to manage my anxiety and sometimes feel high. I tapered off codeine without any problems but i can see why someone wouldn't want to withdraw from it, i hate having the shits, insomnia, rls, night sweats and added anxiety so it's really easy just to keep taking 100mg a day to avoid it. Even tapering down it wasn't a painless experience.

I'm not sure why people don't take codeine seriously, the withdrawals aren't bad but still the whole mental craving and paws are just as bad as anything else imo.

 

[Oxide]

If you're using codeine on a daily basis, you will develop a dependence of some sort. Not much of a way around it.

The fact is if you are using codeine and run out and start getting withdrawls you just stop using. No rational person, even going through withdrawls is going to say... "oh im outta codeine, I guess I'll just go buy my first bag of heroin of the street...". That is unless they have a death wish.

An opiate dependence drives people to do a lot of irrational things...there is a whole new generation of heroin addicts who just switched over from pills because it was cheaper. I also don't think it's entirely fair to say one type of opiate withdrawal is a "joke" compared to another, either. They all suck equally, IMO.

 

[LSDiesel]

Remember that although heroin packs a punch in terms of strength, there are several parts of the world where it is severely diluted, sometimes even mixed with other opiates like morphine, so pure diamorphine from a pharmacy is often quite at odds with what's on the streets weight for weight.

...except in NJ of course!