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would/can Demerol 100's help to keep Percocet10's and Fentany75mcg withdrawals away

REStimmel12

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I was just wondering if Demerol would work to keep me from withdrawals until Thursday or so when i get my Perc refill. I also have some Xanax and some used fentanyl patches. I saw on another thread that you can cut the used patches into pieces and chew them. So i was just wondering. And i was also worried that taking the Demerol could have some adverse reactions because i am a long time Narcotic user. I've been on some strong stough for a few years now and i just wanted to make sure that Demerol wasn't one of those drugs that would make the wd symptoms worse. Because i know that stadol nose spray does that and a few others. And i DO NOT want to repeat that mistake again. I think that the whole wd process is the most awful feeling in the world and i dont want to make it worse. So i was just wondering if anyone had some advice to give or any experience i would VERY MUCH appreciate it!

I also wondered because i just tried it and it made my legs restless- should i take demerol and .5 to 1 xanax with it to help control it? Or is there something out there i can buy OTC to help with the restlesness?
I need all the help i can get! i have to last until Thursday, and right now its looking like 100 years from now!
Rae
 
i need help! I want to know if this will work for extreme withdrawal!

I was just wondering if Demerol would work to keep me from withdrawals until Thursday or so when i get my Perc refill. I also have some Xanax and some used fentanyl patches. I saw on another thread that you can cut the used patches into pieces and chew them. So i was just wondering. And i was also worried that taking the Demerol could have some adverse reactions because i am a long time Narcotic user. I've been on some strong stough for a few years now and i just wanted to make sure that Demerol wasn't one of those drugs that would make the wd symptoms worse. Because i know that stadol nose spray does that and a few others. And i DO NOT want to repeat that mistake again. I think that the whole wd process is the most awful feeling in the world and i dont want to make it worse. So i was just wondering if anyone had some advice to give or any experience i would VERY MUCH appreciate it!

I also wondered because i just tried it and it made my legs restless- should i take demerol and .5 to 1 xanax with it to help control it? Or is there something out there i can buy OTC to help with the restlesness?
I need all the help i can get! i have to last until Thursday, and right now its looking like 100 years from now!
Rae8(
 
Demerol is meperidine, it's a "strong" opioid comparable in strength to codeine... 450mg meperidine/pethidine would be approx. equivalent to 30mg oxycodone. Coupled with your Xanax you should be fine.
 
Hmmm I'm going to send this over to Basic Drug Discussion for you so you can get your own personalized help thread.

Effectively any mu-opioid agonist can be supplemented with another mu-opioid agonist. For example codeine for oxycodone. Unfortunately I believe pethidine is primarily a kappa agonist and regardless much weaker. I don't have time to review this for you at the moment sorry.

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No, demerol will not prevent withdrawal. It might take the edge off, but it's not going to be as useful as codeine or hydrocodone.

I would consider looking into methadone or suboxone if you are interested in quitting opiates.
 
I have been addicted to morphine, hydromorphone and to a much lesser extent oxycodone and fentanyl for a long time on and off now. I have tried using demerol a few times during WD's and i can honestly say that doing a CWE on OTC codeine works better for reliving withdrawals then demerol does. Demerol is in a general sense alot more dangerous in terms of adverse reactions then say fentanyl or oxycodone. You can't go over 400mg's of demerol in a day or take it for longer then 3 days without your risk of seizures and other nasty stuff related to meperidines toxic metabolite normeperidine coming into play. Since demerol is pretty weak it's a poor substitute for fentanyl or oxycodone.

One time ages ago when i was withdrawing from a small oxycodone habit all i had with me in the way of any opioid was demerol. I didn't even have enough cash to buy OTC codeine so my stupid self took huge doses of demerol and everyone was saying i looked like i was wacked on coke. I was twitchy and kept having deleriant type flashes of hallucinations (demerol has anti-cholinergic properties as well) and couldn't sleep. The only reason i didn't have a seizure i think was because i was on valproate, clonazepam and gabapentin.

My advise would be to get some codeine if you can get it because it does help atleast abit. As for demerol doses of no more then say 100mg's at a time and no more then 400mg's in a day could help abit. Anymore then that could make you even more restless if your prone to it like me.
 
I didn't know that Demerol was just for short time use, my Neurologist prescribed me 120 for a month!And if they worked i would have stayed on them. I have really really really bad chronic migraines.. The thing that works the best to relieve the pain at all seems to be Narc's. I've tried pretty much every other kind of migraine medication, the non narcotic pain relievers EVERYTHING. I have literally have not been down below a 5-6 on the pain scale for 7 years now my normal range is between 7-9 . If i run into 10 i have to make an ER run because i throw up so much that i can't stay hydrated and the only way to stop everything is to get IV fluid and some IV Diluadid... And i have finally found a Doc that is willing to work with me instead of just judging me because narcs are the only pain meds that have any effect on me pain wise. I started taking the Duragesic/Fentanyl patches in March or April of this year. They are the 75mcg's and i have a supply of 15/mo and a supply of Percocet for breakthrough pain which i use regularly. The patches have been doing a decent job of taking my "normal" migraine pain from a which after a really close call to death in May (i also have been dealing with a chronic kidney/immune disease), i was on life support for a week straight..i spent my 25th bday/mother's day on every life support machine you can think of, was being given IV nutrition.and because of the ventilator they had me under heavy sedation so i wouldn't pull out all the tubes i had sticking out everywhere. but especially the ventilator.) I am so lucky to be alive, i guess i only had a 1 in 10 chance to make it, and even with that most of the people that make it to be the 1 to live, die within that year. And yesterday i just found out that because of the total damage done to my body because of the sepsis, MRSA, and a chromobactor they found in my stomach, i now need a transplant, my kidneys are basically dead, i only have 9% function. i was on life support for a week straight..i spent my 25th bday/mother's day on every life support machine you can think of, was being given IV nutrition.and because of the ventilator they had me under heavy sedation) anyway back to my original point before i rambled and gave you info you could prob care less about --sorry...
But how and where would you buy OTC codeine? and how high of a dose would i need to take with a tolerance like mine? When i am in the hospital i get 4mg of IV Dilaudid every 4 hrs and while it makes me feel great, it doesn't really do much except make me feel high. I can still carry on a convo, stay awake and function just fine. The nurses are always freaking out when they first look at the order and think that its wrong at the start of their shift and end up calling my doc or his office etc to make sure its correct before they give it to me. And even then i get a lot of nurses that won't say anything to my face but you get that look where you know that they think you're a junkie or something, and give you the shot grudgingly. And are amazed when i don't get all loopy and just sit there and thank them for making me feel better and helping to get my pain under control.

I do have a few more things to ask you, (i just re-read your post) with the Fentanyl did you get the Mylan brand patches? That's what i usually end up with because that seems to be the type that the Pharmacies around here have are the flat stickers without the gel center. I will normally keep about 5 or so aside to "play" with but i always end up using 10 or so and having 5 to last me until i reach the time when my Perc's are ready to be renewed again. I normally cut them up into strips fuse 2 strips together (that way the med gets absorbed by both my gum-line and the inside of my lips. and i also cut one larger strip to stick on the roof of my mouth sticky on the roof of my mouth opposite my tongue.) So i use about 9 at a time and they last for a few uses. I was just curious that after they stopped giving you that nice buzz that way, if using those i had let absorb through my gums would do anything if chewed up? Say using the four from the top of my mouth and the four from the bottom being chewed into 2 separate but equal balls to help release whatever was left in them??? i didn't know if there would be much left because they were used just in my mouth and didn't know how much of the active drug would have been used because of all of the saliva???
And another question: is possible to get any kind of buzz off of grinding 10mg Perc's into a powder than attaching it to some kind of plastic or tape and stick it in your mouth in your gum line like someone would put in a dip? Can that med be absorbed through the skin in your mouth like chewing tobacco... i was just looking for something else to try for both pain relief when im puking and can't swallow anything, and for a little fun. You said that you had been addicted to Oxy's so i just wondered what methods you had tried, or if you had come up with some of your own that worked really well. I've tried snorting it... i might have been doing it wrong.,..All i was doing was crushing up the pills and snorting up the powder,,,I don't know... I just need some help/ideas for both using the Demerol that i have and figuring out how/where to get the codeine. and what may i ask is a CWE?
Thanks for the reply! I'm not new to the Narcotic, Benzo, or Opiate scene, I've just always been prescribed these things and have a nasty habit of using too much of it too quickly.any advice on helping with the WD's and i was also reading that gabapentin or Neurontin is some kind of wonder drug that some people have said makes the whole WD thing feel like its not even happening? Do you know anything about that? Thanks in advance.... I really appreciate any help you can give me. Otherwise I'm going to be completely freaking out because i won't be able to sit still at all and then my husband will know whats up and that will just add to the problem. He is one of those people that think that pain can be controlled by mind over matter and that if you get addicted you are weak. etc. He's just one of those people that hates any kind of pain killer, or any drug for that matter. When he has a head ache i have to force him to even take one Tylenol. Which really sucks when i get a horrible migraine attack where I'm barfing, blind, and going numb in places, he always seems to think I'm always freaking out when this happens and that is why it gets worse. Well maybe a bit but i get those kinds of migraines at least 3-4 times a month. So the whole "you can control it, you just aren't trying hard enough makes me want to kill him sometimes.! But again i am rambling. If you could either comment back on here or send me a message that would be great. I am new to this whole site even though I've been a member for a little over a year, this was my first post. So if i go about things the wrong way i apologize, I'm just a newb.
And again sorry for the epic post of basically my life story!
PS: I am prone to the RLS, whole body crawling sensation, sweating, and the insomnia. The Restlessness and insomnia are the absolute worst in my opinion. I hate being so exhausted but whenever i lay down i feel like i have to move my legs constantly or i will have a full on extreme panic attack. So any help you could throw my way would be appreciated more than i can express!
Thanks a million!
Rae
 
This is a cross post into OD i think.
I've merged it all into OD.

Hey OP fent patches should be a last resort as they skyrocket your tolerance. If you are only getting migraines 3 or 4 times a month would it not be more efficient to just take them for breakthrough pain? The people who get hurt most by abusing their meds are those who need their meds for legit pain. If you have a doc who understands your suffering and is willing to prescribe whatever you need I would at least try medical marijuana before growing a huge opioid tolerance.

As for the current WD situation kratom is a mu-agonist that can help or codeine depending on legalities in your location.

p.s. Oxycodone can be taken internasally to increase the peak concentration levels in your blood but this will lower the total bioavailability (i.e. AUC=Area Under the Curve).
 
thank you for all the advice, last night i used one of my demerol 100's, and a xanax and ever since trying that combo ive been feeling great. Not buzzed but MUCH better than having to deal with WDs! The only other thing that i can't really seem to get rid of is that i feel so depressed/down all the time. Im bored out of my mind but i don't want to do anything. I just don't feel like i care about anything. Can anyone offer some help with that?
 
That's a standard side effect of a reduced opiate dose/mild withdrawal, you just have to force yourself to get active... Go for a run, walk, or jog if you can, or play a board, card or computer game with friends. Get the natural dopamine flowing and hopefully you should feel somewhat better.
 
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