Would anyone know?Could Fibro be onset by many years of opiate abuse?

[missunderstood]

Nah- no-one here will make you feel stupid. At the very worst we just wont know the answer. I too have struggled with opiates...and still do...so ask away! I find when I quit it takes a while to feel better. I've never done H, just oxy. Some people say it can take years to feel better- depending on your habit.

well it has been 5 years for me since I used street dope. I did the whole meth clinic, suboxone thing. I packed my family up and moved 400 miles away from anyone or anything I knew. Yeah sure, I continued to dabble with the hydro and oxy's because I moved to hillbilly heaven you all now what they have to offer so the addict in me lied and said just once , but it was more then once but at least I knew were I was headed again. So I had to put the brakes on real fast , I got a grip, before the grip got me. And entered a rehab for 3 months to figure out why the fuck I kept fuckin around. I learned allot in those three months it was one of the best rehabs in the state of fla. I stuck with the positive. I can become very negative in a heartbeat it is not a good character flaw, it hasn't done much for me in the way of success, but in time things are changing. I like me better today,someone please let me know if i am posting my thoughts correctly and do I run off topic allot??? I need experanced bluelighters just like I need sober wisdom. Love you bluelighters

 

[kowalan]

Fibromyalgia absolutely DOES exist and is quite real. Think of it as a phenomenon where your brain and spinal cord are sending excessive signals.....think of an amplifier in the brain racheting up the strength of all signals incoming. We have MRI data showing this.

To your qoestions OPIATES CAN make fibro worse/trigger the syndrome. Opiates cause the brain to be hyper-excitable by a process where the receptors that transmit pain signals actually INCREASE with opiate usage. this is called opiate induced hyperalgesia. Opiates should never be used for FIBRO treatment......

 

[missunderstood]

yeah I kinda figured that I am prescribed lyrica and I take vyvanse for my adhd but I also read somewhere that some Fibromyalgia patients are prescribed stims as part of their therapy and i also have addressed this issue with my psychiatrist on my first visit. So he knows what I am on for it. But I have to tell you, I dont have to take the lyrica on the days I take vyvanse (I don't dose everyday). So I think there is some truth to it as far as it being used in some patients I really don't recall were it was that I read it, but I did indeed read it. I also take tramodol on and of very low dose 25 mg at best. I actually have had them in my cabinet for a while I am proud of that!!! A year ago I would have did them before I felt the first one...MORE IS ALWAYS BETTER.. LOL..ADDICT BEHAVIOR AT IT'S FINEST.

 

[versd]

fibromyalgia still is relatively misunderstood even by medical professionals. it is only recently that it is getting more widespread knowledge. it is often comorbid with disorders such as chronic fatigue syndrome and chronic pain etc

there are some roughly defined methods of diagnosis, the most common one would be a pressure test at the tender points of the body. pressure is applied to each of the 18 tender points, and if at least 11 cause pain indicate the patient may be affected by fibro.

the 18 points are (9 sites, mirrored) - base of the neck, upper shoulder blade, lower centre of the shoulder blade, top of the buttocks, lower buttocks below the hip, above the collarbone, below the collarbone, crook of the elbow on the forearm, kneecap on the inner side. (rough locations - you can find the exact locations online im sure).

the other diagnosis is the patient having persistent pain in all 4 quadrants of the body for at least 3 months.

now all these are just guidelines - i think set up by the american college of rheumatology, and even they feel that these tests aren't enough to categorically define the fibro diagnosis (i.e. the doctors ability to gauge what the appropriate amount of pressure required for the test).


at the end of the day, the condition is real if you personally feel the pain.

there are a few common methods of treatment, i've seen a lot of antidepressants prescribed, along with a variety of tricyclic antidepressants as well. opiate based pain relief is sometimes used for break through pain, but like most chronic pain sufferers know, in the long run it can negatively affect things.

successful treatment is different for everyone, try go see a few doctors until you find one who either is clued about fibromyalgia specifically, and if possible has helped patients with fibro before. you may have to go through a lot of different treatments to find the one which benefits you the most, but that is the same process everyone has to go through for a lot of illnesses.

something which helped some of the people i know with fibro is the psychological aspect of things - meditation, therapy to address emotional and psychological issues. also like with most things of in life, if you can be in a good state of mind, and rest better etc, you can better deal with the physical aspects.

best of luck

 

[missunderstood]

fibromyalgia still is relatively misunderstood even by medical professionals. it is only recently that it is getting more widespread knowledge. it is often comorbid with disorders such as chronic fatigue syndrome and chronic pain etc

there are some roughly defined methods of diagnosis, the most common one would be a pressure test at the tender points of the body. pressure is applied to each of the 18 tender points, and if at least 11 cause pain indicate the patient may be affected by fibro.

the 18 points are (9 sites, mirrored) - base of the neck, upper shoulder blade, lower centre of the shoulder blade, top of the buttocks, lower buttocks below the hip, above the collarbone, below the collarbone, crook of the elbow on the forearm, kneecap on the inner side. (rough locations - you can find the exact locations online im sure).

the other diagnosis is the patient having persistent pain in all 4 quadrants of the body for at least 3 months.

now all these are just guidelines - i think set up by the american college of rheumatology, and even they feel that these tests aren't enough to categorically define the fibro diagnosis (i.e. the doctors ability to gauge what the appropriate amount of pressure required for the test).


at the end of the day, the condition is real if you personally feel the pain.

there are a few common methods of treatment, i've seen a lot of antidepressants prescribed, along with a variety of tricyclic antidepressants as well. opiate based pain relief is sometimes used for break through pain, but like most chronic pain sufferers know, in the long run it can negatively affect things.

successful treatment is different for everyone, try go see a few doctors until you find one who either is clued about fibromyalgia specifically, and if possible has helped patients with fibro before. you may have to go through a lot of different treatments to find the one which benefits you the most, but that is the same process everyone has to go through for a lot of illnesses.

something which helped some of the people i know with fibro is the psychological aspect of things - meditation, therapy to address emotional and psychological issues. also like with most things of in life, if you can be in a good state of mind, and rest better etc, you can better deal with the physical aspects.

best of luck

I remember the doctor pressing all over me asking me if it hurt and I will say it did I never realized how someone just applying pressure could really hurt. And the other thing is I bruise really easy on my upper thighs and it hurts so much if ,say my husband is fucking around, and putts his thumb on my thigh with any presser behind it, I go to the moon and the next day sure as shit there is a bruise there?

 

[versd]

im not sure if weak capillaries are a symptom of fibro. The tender points should be the only areas where there is specifically a greater amount of pain in relation to a relatively small pressure being applied. the whole ambiguity and subjectivity of these 'diagnoses' add to the confusion and misinformation related to fibro.

the ACR pressure diagnosis requires the pressure to be applied at those specific tender points (not just arbitrary points over the body).

 

[missunderstood]

im not sure if weak capillaries are a symptom of fibro. The tender points should be the only areas where there is specifically a greater amount of pain in relation to a relatively small pressure being applied. the whole ambiguity and subjectivity of these 'diagnoses' add to the confusion and misinformation related to fibro.

the ACR pressure diagnosis requires the pressure to be applied at those specific tender points (not just arbitrary points over the body).

I don't know what that is then because small amount of pressure on any soft tissue are hurts it feels like I have been punched..I maybe better go talk to some one about that.

 

[versd]

if your GP (general practitioner) does not have a good handle on what fibromyalgia is, and the recent developments in this field, you have the opportunity to ask for a referral to a specialist who has dealt with this before. ring around to a few different specialists and try find someone who has treated patients with fibro. the most important thing you can search for in a doctor to treat you is previous and hopefully successful treatment of this condition in patients.

be aware though if you do not have medical insurance or your country does not have subsidised health care, then you may have to spend a lot of money on consultation fees.

apart from a medical doctor, you may also find some benefit by talking to a counselor or therapist who has experience with dealing with patients who have chronic pain disorders or chronic fatigue disorders. remember a lot of physical ailments have many psychological aspects.

 

[missunderstood]

hey thank you for replying I plan on getting back to the pain management doc. here in the near future I just don't wanna get sucked in my the smell of pharmaceuticals. If ya get my drift...