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Would anyone know?Could Fibro be onset by many years of opiate abuse?

missunderstood

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I was recently diagnosed with fibro, I have read that there are a few different known types.

Post-Traumatic
Repetitive Strain (or Repetitive Traumatic)
Mood-Related & Sleep disruptive
Rheumatoid and Chronic Disease
Hormonal
Age-Related

Now my question is this? Has fibro every been linked to opiate addiction/abuse? I been wondering about this every since they diognosed me with Fibro. I am a recovery Herion/Opiate addict. I put my central nervous system thru the ringer...8o... clean for a week, go hard for a month, and on and on for years? I am thinking about all the stress your body endures with each and every withdraw, whether it be mild and you only withdraw for a few hours,until your bud shows up with you perscription, or it is long and drawn and tryed from the heart, and your body is stressing that much longer. It has got to do damage to your nerve ending and muscles? No? I know I never had R.S.L. before I beat the shit out of myself... so that is were my theory has been born...I didn't drop out of school because I was a genius so please guys, kill me softly with you answers. I'm just a girl. I don't know much. I do however, know that I am fucked up in the brain area, that I DO know.....so tell me something I don't know....
 
I couldn't honestly tell you if there's a link between it an opiate use sorry missunderstood. Sorry to hear about the diagnosis too. :(

Quick question to any dark side mod reading this thread.... would a fibromyalgia/myofascial pain megathread be of use (if there isn't one already)? In the same vein as the mental health thread? Somewhere to pool resources and info? I know a couple of other bluelighters who are sufferers.
 
I don't think there is a pain thread in TDS now that i think of it. Weird.

Anyway it could be possible that you didnt notice the symptoms before because the opioid use hid them. I know that with me atleast i had alot of joint pain in my early 20's due to injuries and it was masked by 5-6 years of opiate dependency. Im still on opiates to this day but if i don't get a high enough dose id better have lot's of ibuprofen because i will fucking need it :!

Ive often wondered about the stress that withdrawal puts on our bodies. Ive been concerned about my heart since about a year ago when i was going through a bad phase of binge/withdrawal as well as occasional amphetamine and coke use. I felt like i was having a heart attack way too many times and thought oh great ive finally fucked myself :| . I havent had that since ive started getting healthy so i don't know.
 
^Remember months ago I was going to make one and I never got around to it.....(a Chronic Pain Mega)

OP- I have fibro and my husband and mother both have fibro (or my husband has been told by a few Dr.'s he has fibro but he does not treat it). I asked at one of his appt.'s if he could have gotten it from medications....My husband has Schizoaffective disorder and has tried every anti-psychotic under the sun, all with bad reactions. The Dr. said that yes, he could have gotten it from that b/c it can be caused by anything that does damage to your nervous system-SO while I am not a Dr. I would guess that- fibro could likely be caused by opiate or any long term drug abuse, really.......
You might ask your Dr. .........
 
Opiates unlike anti-psychotics though don't damage the nervous system or the brain. Thats the difference there. But withdrawal does put a toal on your body though so who knows really.

Ive never gotten a bad reaction from a anti-psychotic thank fuck though. My poor body and brain doesent need anymore damage done to it :(

Some doctors still don't believe that fibromyalgia exists if you can fucking believe it or not! Not just men doctors either but women doctors as well. I had this old battle axe of a doctor tell me flat out that fibro does not exist. Granted this was the same idiot that prescribed me more then a high enough dose of demerol to cause grand mal seizures given that i was also taking amitriptyline and wellbutrin.
 
You might want to read this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/health/14pain.html?_r=1&scp=7&sq=fibromyalgia&st=cse

The fibromyalgia diagnosis is still very murky. Even the Dr. who originally described the disease now thinks it really doesn't exist. Of course, this doesn't mean you don't experience pain and that there isn't really something wrong. It's not all 'in your head'. However, I question the ethics of giving someone a diagnosis for a disease with no known, discernible mechanism. It gives the illusion to patients that this is all really well understood. Then Pfizer makes money on Lyrica without giving a shit about long-term the patients who take the drug.

Again, I don't mean to downplay what you're going through. I'm sure you feel pain and want relief. Read the article and judge for yourself though.
 
A while ago I was reading about an over lapse of parts of brain responsible for pain and some social parts. I'm not sure how exactly it works but I do believe that some parts of fibro are mental. Not mental in the sense that fibro doesn't exist, but mental in the sense that it can be partially treated by similar meds that mental diseases are treated. I know even for me something like tramadol and celexa do work. Their antidepressant qualities for some reason help my pain to an extent. And antidepressants are known to help many fibro patients. Combination of opiates and antidepressants work extremely well for me. But strong opiates are still the best meds. They completely take away my pain, whereas antidepressants and weak opiates take away something like 60-70%. Some I know there are two parts to fibro, mental and physical.

Sorry for going off topic. I really don't know the answer to the OP. My pain started way before I took any opiates. I started taking meds way later in my affliction so I know for sure that it wasn't caused by opiate abuse and my opiate abuse hasn't made it worse.
 
thank you for the advice ...I am just really curios....

thank you it makes sense ...
 
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nobody knows. Fibromyalgia seems to be caused by stress and trauma. To me I see it as an advanced version of that thing where people get stress in their shoulders or w/e. My moms got it bad and shes had the hardest life ever. Its closely connected with other a few other diseases 2, like irrital bowel or w/e.

The stress from opiate wd could have played a part. Im not sure.
 
Yeah my mom has fibromyalgia too and im in the camp that it does exist. The name is not important but obviously something is wrong. Tricyclics like amitriptyline seem to help but as mentioned only so much. My mom gets relief from oxycodone or hydromorphone when i have some to give her (her doctor is a opiate nazi) but i only have morphine usually which she can't take.

It's a cluster of symptoms rather then just one symptom. A few years back a doctor told me i had alot of the symptoms and this was when i was maybe 24? I don't know. But im pretty sure i'll just end up with bad arthritis since i have most of the symptoms now :|
 
Maybe its cuz they both gave birth to Daemon Spawns!!

My mom can never sleep properly. I think it has something to do with the fact that she doesn't really have restorative sleep. She wakes up every morning so tense. She has nightmares basically every night too.
 
yeah the trama thing I have seen before so that is where I got to thinking that it could be from the heroin use...is that stupid og me to think that heroin use can cause trama? It does don't ya think? And is that the same kind of trama they mean when they list it as a possible reason for it's development?
 
Well the lifestyle causes trauma for most. For me it was pretty traumatizing to always worry where the next hit was coming. I almost died a couple times from drug related bs too, so yeh..

Doing heroin itself doesnt seem very traumatizing though lol :) Wd do THOUGH!
 
missunderstood said:
yeah the trama thing I have seen before so that is where I got to thinking that it could be from the heroin use...is that stupid og me to think that heroin use can cause trama? It does don't ya think? And is that the same kind of trama they mean when they list it as a possible reason for it's development?
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No, its not stupid at all. We all experience the world in a different way and no-one can say how you should feel or be affected by your past. Also, how we experience/process pain is very poorly understood. Pain is one of those things that is strongly affected by mood, mental health etc. In every study of pain, the placebo effect is a very strong force. Same with depression. I take antidepressants and I'm always wondering how much of their effect on me is due to the suggestion alone that they will help alleviate my condition.
 
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No, its not stupid at all. We all experience the world in a different way and no-one can say how you should feel or be affected by your past. Also, how we experience/process pain is very poorly understood. Pain is one of those things that is strongly affected by mood, mental health etc. In every study of pain, the placebo effect is a very strong force. Same with depression. I take antidepressants and I'm always wondering how much of their effect on me is due to the suggestion alone that they will help alleviate my condition.
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thanks for the reply sometimes I feel stupid asking these things but I get thinking about what could have been my issue to start the opiate process to roll up on me and I still come up with nothing that makes sense so I like to hear what others have to say..thanks :)
 
Nah- no-one here will make you feel stupid. At the very worst we just wont know the answer. I too have struggled with opiates...and still do...so ask away! I find when I quit it takes a while to feel better. I've never done H, just oxy. Some people say it can take years to feel better- depending on your habit.
 
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