Worst Withdrawl- Gaba drugs or opiates?

[pjd555]

yeah 'liabilty' all petrified about it, that's why I don't get the treatment I need. I have a cpn, a psyc and a carer but its all bollocks bar the help I get from carer. The 'addiction specialist' doctor at the services said I know more about the drugs than she! Now that scares me! The ones I have experienced have no idea about the hells of w/d from Gaba or opiates.

Long term addicts know more about the effects opiates will have on their bodies and whether a taper speed is tolerable which is why I always say that taper rate should be driven by patient experience. Of course doctors are worried by serious drug interactions such as benzos and buprenorphine. Generally speaking, outside of terminal care doctors prefer to avoid preventable death and it is more to do with wanting the best for a patient rather than worries about financial liability and professional sanction. Your accelerated withdrawal and the possibility that you might self medicate with little understood RC drugs with no brake on your consumption pattern in response to withdrawal symptoms other than your own willpower doesn't paint a pretty picture. Nobody can stop you doing whatever you feel is right. I feel compelled to point out the dangers because at least you will make an informed choice. I wish you well.

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Long term addicts know more about the effects opiates will have on their bodies and whether a taper speed is tolerable which is why I always say that taper rate should be driven by patient experience. Of course doctors are worried by serious drug interactions such as benzos and buprenorphine. Generally speaking, outside of terminal care doctors prefer to avoid preventable death and it is more to do with wanting the best for a patient rather than worries about financial liability and professional sanction. Your accelerated withdrawal and the possibility that you might self medicate with little understood RC drugs with no brake on your consumption pattern in response to withdrawal symptoms other than your own willpower doesn't paint a pretty picture. Nobody can stop you doing whatever you feel is right. I feel compelled to point out the dangers because at least you will make an informed choice. I wish you well.

The wont fund rehanb/detox and they have no 'ring fenced' funding for next year and I am not letting one of the local doctors be in control. They know nothing more about the medication other than 'the book' and or patient info leaflet. They think 2mg of subutex is low dose and that 2 years on 600mg of pregablin will cause no/ maybe minor w/d. Its so bad at that surgery the local drug services have been complaining for years about he poor treatment for any service user and they have now gone down the official route what ever that maybe?

 

[Treacle]

I must say, my CDT were excellent. I was put on 12mg of bupe to kick my codeine habit, and it fucking worked. They tried switching a mate from 25mls of methadone to bupe, by putting him on 8mg of bupe. He didn't sleep, was scared if his own shadow, etc. Needless to say that he ended up back on methadone. Glad I insisted on bupe, from day one.

 

[benzo_rabbit]

I've never had a significant opiate habit but I've had serious issues with Diaz in the past.

Using a planned taper the physical symptoms are greatly reduced but the extended time period is a serious grind, you soon get to a point where the daily dose seems to do nothing other than take the edge off, if you can hang in there you'll feel almost fine by the time you stop them altogether. I truly believe that as long as you taper Benzos are largely a mind game

I just had to agree that quitting benzo's is largely a mind game. A hard to beat one, but I've done several very fast tapers off long term fairly high dose usage, and I never experienced any physical withdrawal symptoms, I just wanted to do them all the time. But I know it can be serious business.