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Worse for nausea 2c-e , 2c-t-2 or 2c-t-7

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What is the one that gives you more nausea oral ROA and what are the higher doses have you done? What is your preferred remedy for the nausea?
 
From what I've heard, the 2c-t series tends a little more towards "body load" and nausea. But they are both very tolerable.

Most of the time, nausea is associated with the loss of equilibrium on the come-up. It's especially prevalent if you snort or plug a 2C, because you basically go from zero to overwhelming psychedelia in 20 minutes.

If you take "normal" doses (20-40mg) and add some ginger/lemon/cannabis/5HT3 antagonists, you should be fine. The 2c- series are not associated with "purging" like mescaline and its analogues, or ayahuasca.
 
Only done 2ce out of those three, but I've also tried 2ci and 2cp and 2ce was te worst by far
As soon as I drank my solution, the nausea is there, and the taste alone is enough to upset my stomach.
Just tastes like its gonna get you wrecked
 
For me 2C-E was worse than 2C-T-7. Yes, with 2C-T-7 there was a more pronounced feeling of nausea that took a little over 2 hours to roll off and turn into a gloriously rich and euphoric experience that made it totally worth it, but with 2C-E I just felt like shit and stuck with it. The subsequent trip for me felt neutral, serious and potentially deceptively very deep like quicksand (4-AcO-DMT does that for me, too, but in an entirely different way and much more deceptively). Quite interesting - at least more interesting than enjoyable - but far less valuable / worthwhile / therapeutic than I found 2C-T-7 to be. IMO putting the body component into perspective like that is very important.
 
The only times Ive thrown up on psychedelics was from 2C-E and 2C-T-2. 4-AcO-DMT gave me some fleeting nausea but it felt entirely mental. 2C-P has never given me nausea. I've (regretfully) never had the chance to acquire any 2C-T-7...

EDIT: 2C-T-2 only made me throw up once when I insufflated about 25 mg of it. The subsequent trip was very worth it.
 
It's strange how you say your 2ce trip was relatively neutral.
For me it has been the most powerful introspective euphoric psychedelic I've tried.
Granted I have not tried 2c-t-7 but I enjoy 2ce just as much as I enjoy potent LSD.
The upside to 2ce being its easier to acquire and and easier to be sure of the purity of your product
 
Read through the Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread, I'm pretty sure I am not the only one to find 2C-E relatively emotionally neutral and also deep (with great rational / intellectual potential). That does not mean that I think euphoria would be impossible or that it couldn't be enjoyable or recreational, far from it. Just a peculiar propensity that I felt. Also it would not be the first time there is a tradeoff between emotion and ratio. While I do think you can have strong emotional and rational effects simultaneously, the best or strongest effects on emotion often involve rational detachment and vice versa.
 
Solipsis said:
Read through the Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread, I'm pretty sure I am not the only one to find 2C-E relatively emotionally neutral and also deep (with great rational / intellectual potential). That does not mean that I think euphoria would be impossible or that it couldn't be enjoyable or recreational, far from it. Just a peculiar propensity that I felt. Also it would not be the first time there is a tradeoff between emotion and ratio. While I do think you can have strong emotional and rational effects simultaneously, the best or strongest effects on emotion often involve rational detachment and vice versa.
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Seconded. I've had a +4 I could never forget on 2C-E but also I've had some pretty creepy and frightening experiences with it. Neutral all the way.

Also, Shulgin himself said pretty much the same thing about 2C-E.

>Several people have said, about 2C-E, "I don't think I like it, since
>it isn't that much fun. But I intend to explore it again." There is
>something here that will reward the experimenter. Someday, the
>full character of 2C-E will be understood, but for the moment, let it rest as being a difficult and worth-while material.

Of the three, I'd have to list 2C-T-2 as the worst. Bloody horrible material for me, even at lower dosages...nothing about it made it worth the nausea and bodyload.

2C-T-7 is usually a pukefest as well but as Solipsis said...the euphoria (and for me, 'oneness' aka 'spiritual aspect') is second to none. Worth it all the way.
 
T-2 fucked me reliably from all routes, E can T-7 can and will both routes, but either way its totally worth it either way. T-2 is clearly winner for me! Its nauseated me by various ROA's, and the nausea that came...was much more like a flowing fountain that didn't want to end more so than the others....far more......
 
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T-2 fucked me reliably from all routes, E can T-7 can and will both routes, but either way its totally worth it either way. T-2 is clearly winner for me! Its nauseated me by various ROA's, and the nausea that came...was much more like a flowing fountain that didn't want to end more so than the others....far more......
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When I puke off of 2C-T-2 it's like a sign I'm gonna have a good trip.
 
i think 2c-e is probably the worst offender but 2c-t-2 is like a mini 2c-e to me so they're about the same. It's not so much the nausea that gets me but the gastrointestinal issues. If i don't take immodium i will end up going to the bathroom like 8 or 9 times before my stomach settles. Never tried 2c-t-7, always afraid of that possible MAOI activity. These drugs don't really seem to be around much any more, only ones i can find easily are 2c-e and 2c-d, kind of funny how things change.

FWIW you can snort 2c-t-2 relatively painlessly and avoid the nausea, it doesn't burn like a mother fucker like 2c-e or 2c-i. just small little bumps after an oral dose and you can get really out there.
 
Definitely 2ct2 and t7 and not even IMO. I've seen people throw up from normal doses, but never with 2ce, however 2ce is pretty delusional if you ask me (and has some long lasting after effects, a friend of mine did it reasonably, 15mg or so every 2 weeks, and after a few months the visuals would subside, but they were really strong for a while and would even resemble a full on trip. I'd suggest 2cc or 2cb instead, personally. Hope that helps though! And 2ce is still a worthwhile chemical regardless. Seems like alot of psychonauts go through a 2ce phase ;)

I'd also say 2ci, but mehh... 2cc all the way. I don't care what anyone says. To me it's the most "classy" and chilled out 2c, while still being immensely awesome. In fact it reminds me of psychedelic Molly. You hear that about most 2cs, but I feel that way for real with Chloro
 
Of the three I've taken 2C-E and 2C-T-2 - 2C-E has never produced any nausea for me, though it does often leave a bodyload of sorts in that it leaves me full of this energy that I'm not quite sure how to expend, where I'm unsure whether I'd rather be sitting, standing, running, dancing, or laying down. 2C-T-2 on the other hand even at the low dose I tried it at gave me a little bit of nausea, but nothing too intense and I'm sure it would be fairly easy to manage at even higher doses.

In my experience the nausea with these substances is largely a psychological thing - of the people I've given 2C-E to for example to try for the first time, those who had read horror stories on Erowid and the like all experienced nausea and nasty bodyloads - those who had only heard positive things about the drug only experienced positive effects, and none of them had any nausea. Bearing that in mind I'd try not to worry about any potential nausea as it's clear that's likely to only make things worse. :)
 
Expectations affect the resulting experience on any psychedelic though Jesus, don't they? Hence the whole set/setting thing with acid.

Ive also only had 2c-e & 2c-t2 out of the above list. Still interested in t7 despite the famous fatalities.

I prefer t2 to 2-ce though. I dunno if it's coz I tried t2 first. I also pulled a mega fast (for me) prior to the t2 trip & had a stunning one for it. Since then trips are taken when they can be, & if that means losing a meal, much as I hate puking, so be it. Puking on a Phen doesn't correlate to great trip for me though. I find that the nauseating side effects of Phens seem to increase with more regular usage, &of course regular use means tolerance & tolerance means a lighter trip. So puking up tends to indicate to me that it's time to ease off tripping for a month or two.
 
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