I'm hopefully getting some LSD for the first time soon, however I've heard so much about these "reasearch chemicals". I'm kinda worried that if I get one of these, that something unexpectedly bad may happen. Should I be worring about this? I plan on taking only one blotter, if it is a RC, could I overdose?
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Worried about the quality of LSD.
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2002Tii
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If you're this worried I would suggest investing in an Ehrlichs test kit
Marijuanster
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Taste it when you take it, LSD can be bitter but more often than not will taste like nothing. Also swallow it instead of leaving it in your mouth to absorb, that would at least rule out 25x RCs. If it tastes like battery acid and you swallow it then still trip but it has a couple hour wait till effects are noted it's probably a DOx chem. I doubt just one dose will OD you unless someone is laying some ultra heavy bromo dragonfly blotters. More than likely you will be fine happy tripping 
I've had incredibly bitter LSD, also had blotter that tasted very strongly of aftershave which is pretty bitter. So don't worry about the taste.
It will either be LSD or it won't be LSD. That's about all anyone can tell you I'm afraid. Do you trust the guy selling it to you?
It will either be LSD or it won't be LSD. That's about all anyone can tell you I'm afraid. Do you trust the guy selling it to you?
Redbong
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EarthBounded
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If you are in the USA only purchase unperforated white on white, or else liquid only if it is from a legit dude, any blotter with a print is 95% chance fake and the white on white your looking at about 75% chance of getting a fake...
Ask if the dealer knows what crystal it is laid off of he should say silver lavender fluff or needlepoint. Anyone who has says they have hits mic'd at 275 is bullspitting you.... they should be mic'd 80-100ug per hit.
You will not die from 1 or probably even 10 hits of RC but they do not serve the same purpose as LSD. Mise well do a bunch of molly or shard about the same thing as the 25i and doi its just so the next guy can make money.
Pretty much you need to be near a big city and a big university with an ill science program to be close to the real Crystal right now, or hit up a LOW KEY hippie fest and look for the dude throwing it
Ask if the dealer knows what crystal it is laid off of he should say silver lavender fluff or needlepoint. Anyone who has says they have hits mic'd at 275 is bullspitting you.... they should be mic'd 80-100ug per hit.
You will not die from 1 or probably even 10 hits of RC but they do not serve the same purpose as LSD. Mise well do a bunch of molly or shard about the same thing as the 25i and doi its just so the next guy can make money.
Pretty much you need to be near a big city and a big university with an ill science program to be close to the real Crystal right now, or hit up a LOW KEY hippie fest and look for the dude throwing it
TheAppleCore
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Even an Ehrlichs test kit isn't 100% reliable, if I understand correctly - a blotter could contain some non-LSD ergoloid, or maybe a combination of LSD and some RC, in order to fool the test.
The point is, it's all about trust. If you can't trust your dealer, and you're not comfortable taking an unknown chemical, don't take the blotter. Period.
The point is, it's all about trust. If you can't trust your dealer, and you're not comfortable taking an unknown chemical, don't take the blotter. Period.
True but it seems far fetched.
Yes you could overdose on an RC - let us remember that there have been deaths from a single drop of liquid - and the best way to avoid overdosing is titrating. Which means starting with a very low dose, waiting to see what happens, and trying with a somewhat higher dose, carefully, another day. That way if there is a big dose of something on there (even LSD) you are not caught by surprise.
If you want to be apprehensive about it and as safe as can be within your options, titrate and also test the blotter with Ehrlich reagent (the chemical mixture that makes up commercial LSD testing products, found online with a simple search query).
The Ehrlich test could be a major qualitative indicator and the titration is a quantitative safety precaution.
Yes you could overdose on an RC - let us remember that there have been deaths from a single drop of liquid - and the best way to avoid overdosing is titrating. Which means starting with a very low dose, waiting to see what happens, and trying with a somewhat higher dose, carefully, another day. That way if there is a big dose of something on there (even LSD) you are not caught by surprise.
If you want to be apprehensive about it and as safe as can be within your options, titrate and also test the blotter with Ehrlich reagent (the chemical mixture that makes up commercial LSD testing products, found online with a simple search query).
The Ehrlich test could be a major qualitative indicator and the titration is a quantitative safety precaution.
phantomcosmonaut
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All of this is completely inaccurate, don't listen to this person.
All of my blotter has a design on it, and all of my hits are usually 150ug. It really depends on the kind of person you're buying from.
Don't worry too much about getting an RC, they aren't dangerous as long as you take 1 hit, and they are usually pretty good drugs. The way I tell is by taste. If it tastes metallic or tasteless then it's LSD (also the ink on the blotter may have a bitter taste but its easy to differ ink bitter from chemical bitter). If it has a chemically bitter taste then it's an NBOMe. I can't speak for all DOx chems but DOB had a bitter yet metallic but kind of sour taste, like really bad sour candy. Duration will tell you also: x-NBOMe is about 4-8 hours, DOx lasts mainly 16 hours but the after effects keep on going for up to 30 hours for me.
So yeah, don't worry about it too much.
Agreed, what Earthbounded says must be a deduction based on limited perception, a guess from personal experience rather than data quoted from a Microgram bulletin report.
I would say though that a person can be in a scene where something can generally be said about the prevalence of certain drugs or fakes, or quality standards. Personally I've had a lot of luck with that, but it should never make me go and make blanket statements and claims about the whole country, continent or global trends. Just something about my scene.
In any case you cannot see from the look of the blotter what is on it, just forget about that. Even if you hear something about the print, it can easily be another batch with the same print. I realize that a lot of people like to make projections based on scarce information they can get... but it is easily forgotten that there isn't any certainty there.
Also I agree that the ink can apparently be bitter so taste is not conclusive either. I really don't recommend that someone make assumptions based on someone else's taste description. Taste can vary and is quite complex. Many tastes can seem unique and hard to identify especially when you never had a taste of any of the options while knowing the identity. Numbness in the mouth can be an indication of NBOMe compounds but should not be taken as anything more. Extra caution is advised in such a case though, but what are you going to do if you already had that blotter in your mouth for a while before noticing? Yes you can spit but again, don't let that simply be your test.
I would say though that a person can be in a scene where something can generally be said about the prevalence of certain drugs or fakes, or quality standards. Personally I've had a lot of luck with that, but it should never make me go and make blanket statements and claims about the whole country, continent or global trends. Just something about my scene.
In any case you cannot see from the look of the blotter what is on it, just forget about that. Even if you hear something about the print, it can easily be another batch with the same print. I realize that a lot of people like to make projections based on scarce information they can get... but it is easily forgotten that there isn't any certainty there.
Also I agree that the ink can apparently be bitter so taste is not conclusive either. I really don't recommend that someone make assumptions based on someone else's taste description. Taste can vary and is quite complex. Many tastes can seem unique and hard to identify especially when you never had a taste of any of the options while knowing the identity. Numbness in the mouth can be an indication of NBOMe compounds but should not be taken as anything more. Extra caution is advised in such a case though, but what are you going to do if you already had that blotter in your mouth for a while before noticing? Yes you can spit but again, don't let that simply be your test.
Anon0631
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After an age of quietly fuming about this subject I'm finally asking. What the hell is a 'research chemical'? Is it a psychedelic that is researched by scientists? If so David Nichols is doing a lot of work on LSD right now.
Omitting fictitious concepts you are basically asking two questions:
1) how do I know if the LSD I'm getting is really another drug passed off as LSD.
2) If it isn't LSD, is it safe to take?
The first question has been answered. The answer to the second one is that it depends on what it is and whether you want to take it. Never take an unknown substance and if you know what it is, don't take it unless you know the dose and have researched how much you want to take.
If you are operating on a worldview that LSD is good and all other super potent psychedelics are bad, you are going to run into problems. If you can't rely on blotters being a known quantity of a known substance then don't buy them. There are plenty of other safer ways to trip using mushrooms or synthetic psychedelic of known purity and weight.
Omitting fictitious concepts you are basically asking two questions:
1) how do I know if the LSD I'm getting is really another drug passed off as LSD.
2) If it isn't LSD, is it safe to take?
The first question has been answered. The answer to the second one is that it depends on what it is and whether you want to take it. Never take an unknown substance and if you know what it is, don't take it unless you know the dose and have researched how much you want to take.
If you are operating on a worldview that LSD is good and all other super potent psychedelics are bad, you are going to run into problems. If you can't rely on blotters being a known quantity of a known substance then don't buy them. There are plenty of other safer ways to trip using mushrooms or synthetic psychedelic of known purity and weight.
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Clocktower
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'Reseach chemical' means more or less the same thing as designer drug. LSD is generally not grouped in that category because it has been subjected to (relatively) extensive scientific study, while research chemicals, by definition, have not.
Exactly. An addition for when that wiki entry has been read:
In some cases, a drug is not originally designed with the purpose to circumvent any law but - such as in the case of Nichols and his work - to develop receptor probes. However for a lot of people a significant reason to get NBOMe compounds is that they can be more easy to find and do not have the legal issues something like LSD has.
Some substances deemed 'research chemicals' may be studied intensively (well at least hypothetically) but as long as the drug is used for the reason I just mentioned, it may still be called a 'research chemical'.
Sometimes the reason to use a drug is different, such as exploring rare new compounds just to see how they differ from other ones like it. Then the experimental nature may warrant the term 'research chemical'.
So the "research" may be a cover for sources to sell drugs, the research is the official intention for providing the drug ("not for human consumption", etc). Some people take this seriously though, and they keep calling sampling the drug research (such as when exploring new compounds like I just mentioned), even though you can forget about any article ever being published for academic peer review.
Read this "safer use of research chemical guide"
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TS, be careful about relying on a friend to provide you with good LSD. Of course you can trust a friend to some extent, but even if a friend means well it still is not impossible to get something else than LSD. Even if it is LSD, a golden unwritten rule is to always start low with any new batch. I would understand if you choose to skip the test with a reagent, but titrating is always wise. Before seeing how deep you can go, first see what the basic effects are about. Even low doses can be quite a wondrous experience if you are new to it!
Is there anything else you wish from this thread?
In some cases, a drug is not originally designed with the purpose to circumvent any law but - such as in the case of Nichols and his work - to develop receptor probes. However for a lot of people a significant reason to get NBOMe compounds is that they can be more easy to find and do not have the legal issues something like LSD has.
Some substances deemed 'research chemicals' may be studied intensively (well at least hypothetically) but as long as the drug is used for the reason I just mentioned, it may still be called a 'research chemical'.
Sometimes the reason to use a drug is different, such as exploring rare new compounds just to see how they differ from other ones like it. Then the experimental nature may warrant the term 'research chemical'.
So the "research" may be a cover for sources to sell drugs, the research is the official intention for providing the drug ("not for human consumption", etc). Some people take this seriously though, and they keep calling sampling the drug research (such as when exploring new compounds like I just mentioned), even though you can forget about any article ever being published for academic peer review.
Read this "safer use of research chemical guide"
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TS, be careful about relying on a friend to provide you with good LSD. Of course you can trust a friend to some extent, but even if a friend means well it still is not impossible to get something else than LSD. Even if it is LSD, a golden unwritten rule is to always start low with any new batch. I would understand if you choose to skip the test with a reagent, but titrating is always wise. Before seeing how deep you can go, first see what the basic effects are about. Even low doses can be quite a wondrous experience if you are new to it!
Is there anything else you wish from this thread?
Anon0631
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I'm aware of how the prase 'research chemical' is used in a similar way to 'bath salt' or 'plant food' to avoid implications that the substance is meant for human consumption. I'm also aware of what is generally meant by the term.
What I was pointing to is a meme that seems to be taking over bluelight where 'research chemical' is a eupahamism for 'dangerous thing that isn't LSD which caused my bad trip' (similar to the old strychnine myths). It totally glosses over the fact that LSD is more likely to cause a psychotic episode than, for instance 25i-NBOMe and misinforms people like the OP.
I personally choose 25d-NBOMe over LSD when i want to trip. Calling any super potent phenethylamine an 'RC' (and thereby implying that it has no valid therapeutic, recreational or spiritual use), devalues the contributions that these substances can make to the psychonaut community and unfairly demonises them. Rather than talking about 'RC's' being passed off as acid we should be reframing the conversation to talk about issues regarding mislabeling by unethical, greedy dealers and how this behaviour can be prevented.
My rule is basically made of 4 parts
1) know what substance I have.
2) know what purity the substance is, even if its approximate.
3) know what the safe dose range of the substance in question is.
4) make an informed decision about dose based on safe limits and my own tolerance/ability to handle psychedelic intensity.
Because of this I would never take a spurious blotter unless I took some steps to verify what I have been sold is what it was meant to be. I would still prefer to lay it myself though.
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Anon0631
Bluelighter
Purple violet suggests presence of an indole. LSD is an indole. It doesn't differentiate between different indoles as far as I know (I might well be wrong about this, anyone know?) so it could be something like 5-meo-αMT too. Presumably if you used two tests you could be more sure. Apparently marquis gives dark olive green so that might differentiate between LSD and other indoles.
Edit: here you go.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25771
LSD shows green/grey/brown with marquis while 5-MeO-αMT and 5-MeO-MIPT (the two other indoles I can think of that will fit on a blotter) both show yellow-black.
Edit2: just did some reading. If you want to be really sure if you have LSD, it should test violet/purple with Ehrlich's reagent and no reaction with Simons and Mandelin reagents.
Edit: here you go.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25771
LSD shows green/grey/brown with marquis while 5-MeO-αMT and 5-MeO-MIPT (the two other indoles I can think of that will fit on a blotter) both show yellow-black.
Edit2: just did some reading. If you want to be really sure if you have LSD, it should test violet/purple with Ehrlich's reagent and no reaction with Simons and Mandelin reagents.
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