Bupe won't work if your tolerance is above that of 30mg methadone?

[nvan7891]

I'm about to try and get back on subs but I came across this http://www.suboxonetalkzone.com/2008/12/07/precipitated-withdrawal-now-what/ and its got me scared. it says bupe will cause precipitated withdrawal not only if you have used too recently but also if your tolerance is above 30mg of methadone equivalent.

is this true? I use about a gram a day of some pretty quality shit so my tolerance is well above the 30mg methadone mark. if so than even if I wait 36 hours till I'm as sick as can be the bupe still wont work? in that link he says you would have to wait for your tolerance to go down whihch he says would take 3 days for someone doing 600mg of oxy daily.

any thoughts/comments/suggestions? this has me super worried and considering methadone. I've been thru precipitated withdrawals before when my tolerance was less and it was horrifying and I'm trying to avoid that...

 

[SkagKush]

its doable, dont stress!

first off, are you using a doctor? and whats your ROA?

you might need to take a good amount for the first week or so, but we can get you tapered down fairly quick. dont worry to much about PW, you only need to wait 24h or so, i only ever did 12.

 

[ILikeSub]

I believe that this only applies to someone taking methadone daily at doses higher than the 30mlg range.Since methadone binds very very strongly and has a very long half life just like Bup does,I can see how switching from methadone to Bup or Bup to methadone could be troublesome in some situations.

Your using H right?
24 hours after last dose is will be fine,IMO.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That's fucking retarded. It doesn't matter what your tolerance is!

Methadone is prone to causing precipitated withdrawal because of how long it sticks in your system for. This is why it is common to go onto another, short acting opiate (like morphine), before going on Suboxone.

However, you can be on any dose of full agonists, it doesn't matter. As long as you wait long enough and you are in full withdrawal, Suboxone will help.

 

[nvan7891]

did anyone actually read the link? he is using "30mg methadone" as a standard, not specifically talking about methadone. in the example he gives he's talking about someone using 600mg oxy daily. the Guy is apparently a doctor so that's why I'm wondering if what he's saying is correct.

yes, I IV heroin. however, my girl recently went to a rehab to detox and took her sub after 27 hours and was in PW for 12 hours. all they gave her was 2mg. and her tolerance was exactly what mine is and I'm using the exact same product. I am positive that's what she went thru cause Ive been through it before.

so really I'm thinking I need to wait at least 36 which is a long time. but If what that Guy is saying is true then I could wait days and still have it not be long enough.

 

[nvan7891]

also a side question: lets say theoretically you take some bupe too early and get PW. then lets say you end up doing some dope to counter act it (which works). eventually would the bupe bind to at least some of your receptors, and if that's true, would you still need to wait untilled your in WD to take bupe again or could you just take it anytime and not get PW since some bupe is already bound to receptors?

I've wondered this for ax long time ever since I first got on bupe successfully a couple years back. I had a pretty small habit then. I waited 12 hrs and got PW and used, but the next day after waiting only another 12 hrs, maybe 14, the bupe worked perfectly.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

when i switched from methadone to bupe i waited as long as i could (wasn't planning on going on bupe.. i just couldn't stand the methadone w/d's anymore and it was day 10!) but i was on 120mg methadone so my tolerance was 4x that of what that link is saying and when i took my first sub i got euphoria like i just did some oxycodone, of course after 2 days the euphoria was gone but there are ways to get it back you will learn them here. But my point is that my tolerance was far above the equiv. of 30mg methadone and i got no PW when i took the bupe. I know i waited a while in between but my tolerance wouldn't have lowered in that amount of time.

 

[pukingcells]

es, I IV heroin. however, my girl recently went to a rehab to detox and took her sub after 27 hours and was in PW for 12 hours. all they gave her was 2mg. and her tolerance was exactly what mine is and I'm using the exact same product. I am positive that's what she went thru cause Ive been through it before.

This is the same thing that happens to me. I don't know why some of us have a hard time. I have a friend that could bounce back and forth between the h and sub with no ill effects ever. I wait and wait until I'm in full w/d and sub still doesnt work and when it does work, I usually have to wait days and even then, it takes at least 8 hours before I start to feel better. I've never had much luck with sub, so I've decided to go with methadone which works great for me. I personally believe its all a very individual thing. The instructions say mild to moderate withdrawal which would very definitely cause precipitate w/d for me, but not for others.

 

[metamorph67]

Hi, in UK prisons, whatever you've been taking and whatever the dose (Opiates /Opioids) they'll let you climb the walls for between 24 to 36 hours, then the medic will give Bubronorph (ie subutex) The relief is almost immediate. The inmate turns from a throthing mess into a dosile & most thankful human being. I believe alot of all the worry is in the mind, and yes it's true, everyones different.

The meth,(physeptone) does have a half life, does get deep into the tissues, and is strongly bound to the opiate receptors, abruptly stopping methadone, is uncomfortable for a day or even two for me, after that, it's just unbearable, ive weened down from 80mg to 20mg over the last year, i'm off the radar (drugs scene) i split the dose 10mg morn 10mg bedtime, i'm actually wondering if i should switch to morphine sulphate to taper down to nothing, this is because the cluck from real opiates is far shorter and you feel more in control, ie, when you have better day's you can decide to take a bit less, for instance, suffer a bit more in the day in order that you might atleast sleep a little at night. Ive looked up the Oral dosing equivelent for meth & morph sulphate oral, basically 20mg meth equates to 62.1mg morphine sulphate, a 0.33 factor applies according to the hopkins opiate equivelant website. I'm lucky enough to be able to obtain the sulphate in slow release. Has anyone else got something to add, that might help me to decide where to go from here, i'm terrified that clucking from meth is far worse than opiates, atleast with real opiates, during a cluck your body releases some relief endorphines at some time of the day. This is only my experience from being hooked for over 20 years. Anyway great thread.