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Withdrawing from Cannabinoids

RobotRipping said:
your dr must be a moron to prescribe clonazepam for cannabis withdrawal lol. The benzos are going to ruin you mentally at some point, you'll laugh that you ever thought cannabinoid addiction was an issue. It's like being prescribed oxymorphone for the pain of quitting cannabis, completely ridiculous but you can do you as you please, just remember that benzos can cause you a whole world of pain if you let them get out of control.
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Jesus the OP's Dr must have his degree from a box of cornflakes. Totally ridiculous & unwarranted for weed unless it is for a couple of days at most. The really concerning part is the quote below...

Expansion420 said:
I'm gonna be fuuuuuuuuuucked up for a few months. Wonder what it'll do
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...Well Expansion420 if you stay on benzos daily for a few months you will get addicted & you will suffer withdrawals that make weed withdrawals feel like a great blowjob. Benzo withdrawal is very real, very dangerous & extremely scary to go through. I know you said you don't care & want them but be careful what you wish for.

Man up & stop smoking if that is what you want otherwise continue getting blazed but steer clear of benzos if you can. They will not make your situation any better except in the short term.
 
What if my true intention was simply to have bezos for night time use if needed?
Especially since I have been NOT recreating with them, I have been taking less than prescribed as of lately, actually, so I can save a few of them for recreation some time down the line. And what if my true intention is to confirm my self diagnosis of ADD/OCD and receive stimulants for the daily maintenance of my very real symptoms?

I know how bad benzo withdrawl can be, I have seen many friends end up in rehab for Xanax addiction. I take 2mg clonazepam nightly, sometimes less.
I'm not crushing them up and snorting them (I only did that once this prescription, the very beginning of it). I went through them quickly at first and now have to stick to a specific regimen (the prescribed one) so I don't run out before I'm 'supposed' to. I see the addictive nature of clanzepam in general, when I see him next I am going to ask about the possibility of switching to a much shorter acting benzo such as etizolam. Like I said when I don't smoke I do suffer from insomnia. Etizolam's half life is ~8 hours. If we were to use this drug in tapered doses, I think that could provide the relief of withdrawl symptoms, this way I actually could stop smoking weed.

BUT IT'S WEED
I feel silly for being concerned about this in the first place.
 
Expansion420 my suggestion is to tough it out for a week or so to get your sleeping patterns back on track rather than use benzos. Use an otc sleep aid or natural products before you use benzos.

I am not saying this to be a cunt but because they are so fucking easy to get hooked on & the worst part is that you don't even notice until it is too late. You don't know how bad the wd is because you have to experience it yourself to understand the pain.

If your true intention is to have your self diagnosed add addressed then be honest with your Dr about it. I don't think that is the case though as you said you lie to your Dr to keep the scripts coming.
 
if you really want to be a benzo addict then go for etizolam, clonazepam is fine but is really weak as a hypnotic, works great for general anxiety though. Now if you're fishing for a amphetamine script along with the etiz or clonazepam you're going straight for poly drug addiction, and doing so knowingly. You may keep it together for a while, or even a long time but if at some point shit hits the fan you are going to experience a new definition of pain and misery.

Even if you use 2mg clonazepam/night for sleep, you'll become dependent in a months time, addicted possibly before that and will face a long drawn out withdrawal if you decide to quit/taper. Just know the risks, i know them and still take etizolam. I've faced those monster benzo withdrawals and they are not something to take lightly, seriously, makes opiate withdrawal seem like fun. If you need them that's fine but i'd really not fuck with etiz or benzos in general for recreation, there are much better drugs for recreation with far less downfalls.

Even your dr. trying to put you on a tricyclic AD is messed up; sounds like the kind of Dr. who will write you whatever you want so be careful with that, always have a backup source if you must go this route and go to ER if you ever run out right away and get on a diazepam taper, that's my best advice, other than not going down this path at all.
 
I've tapered my dose down to 1mg nightly out of pure concern for my own well being.
The next time I see my psychiatrist I'm going to be up front and open about my using pot on top of the clonazepam to manage the actual anxiety symptoms the clonazepam just overshadowed. It only works for sleep, and that's half the time. I get tolerant to it so quickly, and you all are right. If I think a pot withdrawal is bad I would hate to experience a benzo withdrawal. I already went through it once with opiates, it was painful enough and I had a fraction of the addictions most people deal with.

I'm going to say that I wish to continue smoking weed, but I believe that ADD may be an issue because I am compulsive and unfocused, among many other attributes. I wish to further discuss this particular issue with him, as my first session was spent exclusively discussing my background and my insomnia/withdrawal. I'm going to discuss my symptoms, and hopefully we can agree to take me off the clonazepam permanently and try out a new medication.
 
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Yes sir! Canada Master race member here Sir!

Ahhh, when you have ADD, pot is truly your best friend.
Insomnia from pot withdrawal is not the only issue, ADD itself causes insomnia when you can't shut your fucking mind off.

Symptoms of lack of sleep are way worse than any perceived pot usage issues.
 
PowerFarts said:
Yes sir! Canada Master race member here Sir!

Ahhh, when you have ADD, pot is truly your best friend.
Insomnia from pot withdrawal is not the only issue, ADD itself causes insomnia when you can't shut your fucking mind off.

Symptoms of lack of sleep are way worse than any perceived pot usage issues.
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I agree. Concerta, Adderall or Vyvanse may be in my future.
 
Expansion420 said:
I'm going to say that I wish to continue smoking weed, but I believe that ADD may be an issue because I am compulsive and unfocused, among many other attributes. I wish to further discuss this particular issue with him, as my first session was spent exclusively discussing my background and my insomnia/withdrawal. I'm going to discuss my symptoms, and hopefully we can agree to take me off the clonazepam permanently and try out a new medication.
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You know, you sound just like me :D. In all honesty, I believe you should wait until you've been off weed and other drugs for a couple of months before jumping into conclusions about ADD and such, especially the problems with concentration, focusing and compulsion are imo something that I always seem to get when tapering down or taking a break from cannabis use. I've convinced myself (and the doctor) in the past that I have ADD and concerta even helped, but in reality it was just kinda switching a drug addiction to another, the "ADD" would have gone away if I simply had the patience to wait.

But if you're like me, you probably won't listen and have to try it anyway :p
 
As for the insomnia - do you really need to sleep every single night? Whenever Im stopping synthetics I just miss a nights sleep purposefully, playing games or something, then when it comes to the next night it's piss easy. It's harder to stay awake than drift off.
 
i never really found it difficult to stop smoking as long as i had something to keep me busy, i like to work on cars and stuff so when i didnt want to smoke i would just go to the garage and work till i was tired it would keep my mind off getting high and the working made me tired enough to sleep. i have been in the situation where i was cleaning my grinder and piece to get every bit to smoke out but that was only when i was sitting home alone and bored. i still smoke all day every day now basically but not as much each time and i try to spread it out so im at least a little high all day. this sounds pretty bad as i say it haha but i also tell my girl to hide our stash from me in our place so it dont smoke it cause if i know where it is i find myself just saying f*** it one more bowl and thats it till its all gone
 
filthygerms said:
When you start carpet surfing for weed, you should start looking for a job.

But you wont...
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i have a job haha. it's not as bad as it seems.
ive been off the klonopin of my own will for a week. yesterday i picked up some liquid kava tincture. it is very pleasant and substitutes nicely for benzos on nights when i need help falling asleep. i have l been smoking 0.5-1.0g pot a day steadily for two weeks now. it's not something that holds me back, it is a scapegoat. its me holding myself back.
 
It's a little late for this advice now but this is why I try to avoid smoking before sleeping and eating - or if I do so I avoid doing it too frequently. When I used to smoke several times a day every day, and always before dinner and sleep, when I stopped for a while I had trouble sleeping and eating. Now I still smoke very frequently but usually not before important meals or sleep and when I stop I don't notice any problems.
 
Jesusgreen said:
It's a little late for this advice now but this is why I try to avoid smoking before sleeping and eating - or if I do so I avoid doing it too frequently. When I used to smoke several times a day every day, and always before dinner and sleep, when I stopped for a while I had trouble sleeping and eating. Now I still smoke very frequently but usually not before important meals or sleep and when I stop I don't notice iany problems.
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never too late. that is interesting and certainly worth trying
 
Expansion420 said:
never too late. that is interesting and certainly worth trying
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Oh man I very rarely even use cannabis in the morning but that's when my nausea is the worst when I cut down on my use :( atm smoking only a couple hours before the bed so I can sleep and occasionally I vomit in the morning from the nausea. Personally I can't escape withdrawal symptoms by using drugs at specific times. It sucks, I feel like I'm flawed somehow.
 
I have been smoking weed for 13 years. straight. I love it. but i decided to so a little experiment. i was going to stop smoking weed for 4 months. not even going to look at it. it was a personal project. really just to prove my boyfriend wrong at the time. well the second i decided to stop smoking, it wasn't hard at all. the only thing that changed was the fact that i couldn't sleep( which was one of the reasons that i smoked) but other than that i had no withdraw symptoms NOTHING. I was shocked!! i missed the smell and taste of a good home grown bud. but i was fine. CRAZY!
 
I've made a big effort recently. For a whole entire week I cut back from my habitual regular usage throughout the day with absolutely no limiting factors and pure stoner indulgence, roughly 3.5 grams per day, to 3 small sessions taken incrementally every 4 hours, or about half a gram. At this level in which I am attempting to taper off, after my recent attempts of going cold turkey which were downright disastrous and full of brutal physical symptoms that I could not handle one fucking bit and drove me god damned insane, I am definitely experiencing some insane hard to deal with things going on in my brain at this level of tapering. I would describe it as a feeling of having far too much energy than is good for myself, that is being directed in aggressive ways beyond my control that me as a stoned person, aka the version of myself that I am used to, would be uncomfortable with. I need to give my sober self a chance though. I absorb information quicker, my memory is much better, and I am more creative. Before this I had not experienced my sober self since February. I am much more of a jerk when I socialize so I have for the most part completely isolated myself from all forms of contact with other humans. I'll pretty much just knock your block off over nothing without even having any control over it at all, and the only way I can manage it is to stay the fuck away from people. But I am still able to eat some food and sleep, as opposed to the cold turkey. And when I get high, I get really amazing awesome chill peaceful serene states of mind off of very little supply. With cold turkey I can't even get my worthless self of death out of bed, unless I am pacing back and forth anxiously of course (I often go back and forth that way), but this time I seem to be handling things better.

I will definitely be vaping it up at this level for quite some time before attempting to cut back even more to only smoke sessions at night.

I would consider this one of the worst possible scenarios that you can dig yourself into using cannabis - a powerful dependency can develop with very heavy use. But then again, both cigarettes and alcohol can do this too, the damage would be so much more too and you are even so much as encouraged to buy cigarettes at the gas station as they are visible behind the counter. I'm not even suffering too much from this habit, it is fascinating to be experiencing this crazy phenomenon of addiction... and let's be honest here I love smoking pot so damn much that being forced into using it all day in order to maximize my health (sleep quality, digestion, nausea, anxiety levels, happiness, pain levels), that really ain't so bad so long as I can keep myself high. Which is why I want it legalized, because I am worth something and I deserve access to it as a basic human right. But I fear that day will never come, it is lunacy. I'm no fucking crook, that's for sure, but the eyes of the law are presently blind to that.
 
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