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Misc Withdrawal from the chemicals in cigarettes.......

bdomihizayka

bdomihizayka

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I quit smoking about 4 months ago... and resorted to just using an electronic cigarette. The first week was absolute hell... I felt completely unsettled, amped up, and lethargic, going to bed earlier than I ever had in my life and sleeping 12+ hours. I thought my anxiety was coming back from teenage years and I'd have to be on meds again and see a psych lol...thank god it was just withdrawal....

Anyways, I relapsed on a pack of cigarettes (bad-ass me, I know), finished within 2 days, and I actually kind of have a restless feeling going on about me very similar to the first time I quit....like a slight benzo withdrawal feeling how you just want to pace around/ restless energy... could there be any way that one pack could bring about withdrawals again?

This isn't nicotine withdrawal, as I am still getting nicotine, but more or less all the tar and chemicals and shit in analogues...
 
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I would think so, yes. And from experience one pack does bring back withdrawls, though I was not using an e cig.

My best advice? Don't berate yourself for using again (haha .. that sounds kind of funny considering these things are legal, while other less addictive things are not). I have relapsed on cig's many times, but have been w/o a smoke for 3 weeks now and w/o a pack for 2 months. But at first I too was sleeping more than usual, I seemed sort of depressed tbh.

Just keep on keeping on (at quitting), even if you slip many times, in the end it will be worth it (as it seems you know having quit for 4 months now). One last suggestion; find a release for that pent up energy (that restless feeling as you call it). I find running and weights to be a great release.

Be well!
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The only chemicals in cigarettes you should be addicted to is nicotine. The other shit they put in their "nicotine delivery systems" is there only to make the cig burn faster, to stop it burning out, and to make sure the nicotine reaches your brain as rapidly as possible. I'm very surprised the OP had a tough time switching to e-cigs; maybe he/she was using a low nicotine cart? Personally, even the highest strength commercially made carts aren't enough to satisfy, as I smoke very strong tobacco, almost black in colour. I now buy custom made carts from an independent store-they put twice the nicotine in them than the ones I can buy, and they even made flavouring from my favourite brand of tobacco. When I vape these carts, they have the same taste and the same kick as the strong rollies I smoke. I save a fortune on tobacco, and am not tempted to use it any more.

Maybe you should just keep experimenting until you find a cartridge that really does it for you; you could even make your own carts or find a place that will make custom blends for you? Imo you're having nicotine WD's because you're not getting enough from the carts; tar and rocket fuel and and cyanide or whatever the hell they put in cigarettes are certainly not addictive. I can't explain why you're feeling restless...I don't think it's WD; they only happen when you don't take nicotine. You said you smoked a lot of cigs. Well, we all know nicotine is a stimulant; maybe that could account for it?
 
We actually probably have NO CLUE what all is actually in cigarettes from all the chemicals they spray on the tobacco. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there was something else causing those effects. I smoked organic for a while and had similar effects... I just assumed it was because they didn't have as much nicotine maybe? But perhaps I was experiencing some sort of "detox" sickness from all the B.S. chemicals and pesticides they spray on the tobacco in the major name brands?
 
I do not have a verifiable source ... other than a friend (very knowledgeable in biochemistry) and some readings (with no link I can not recall) but .. IIRC nicotine receptors should return to normal within ~ 24 hours ..

Which would mean the rest of the shit "they" put into cigs will have an effect... Ie a WD after 24 hours

IIRC "they" require an additional 7 (?) chemicals to be added to cigerettes (here in Canada.. again no source that I can remember other than hearsay.. same friend as noted above).. Now either it is habit or what have you, but I was still in WD for a long time after 24 hours.. better part of 2 weeks tbh
 
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We actually probably have NO CLUE what all is actually in cigarettes from all the chemicals they spray on the tobacco. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there was something else causing those effects. I smoked organic for a while and had similar effects... I just assumed it was because they didn't have as much nicotine maybe? But perhaps I was experiencing some sort of "detox" sickness from all the B.S. chemicals and pesticides they spray on the tobacco in the major name brands?
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Yeah, I haven't touched a cigarette for years now. I have no idea what's in them, but in comparison rolling tobacco has a much purer, richer taste and I put that down to the lack of chemicals they put in them; you can really taste that shit in cigarettes. I was toying with the idea of going organic, but then decided on a different solution: growing my very own. I'm a gardener at heart, and I've found a strain that will thrive in my native UK, and obtained plenty of seeds and an optimal medium. I may try drying it out, but I've heard smoking it fresh, Native American-style is supposed to be a great experience, and quite euphoric, if Erowid is to be believed.
 
I appreciate all the discussion guys... one thing though....isn't tobacco smoke a MAOI and inhibits MAO-B? So it's kinda like antidepressant withdrawal when quitting real cigs?
 
There are compounds like harmine in tobacco smoke that are active as MAOIs, yes. And there are certainly more alkaloids than just nicotine in cigarettes.
 
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Yeah, I haven't touched a cigarette for years now. I have no idea what's in them, but in comparison rolling tobacco has a much purer, richer taste and I put that down to the lack of chemicals they put in them; you can really taste that shit in cigarettes. I was toying with the idea of going organic, but then decided on a different solution: growing my very own. I'm a gardener at heart, and I've found a strain that will thrive in my native UK, and obtained plenty of seeds and an optimal medium. I may try drying it out, but I've heard smoking it fresh, Native American-style is supposed to be a great experience, and quite euphoric, if Erowid is to be believed.
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I remember I grew a big ass nicotinia rustica with a buddy of mine in a university greenhouse, and we used to just fold up one of those huge leaves and shove em under out armpits and we would get FUCKED UP.
 
Haha nice one! I believe that's actually the strain I'll be growing this year. I have a decent sized allotment already earmarked, and plan to produce a fair amount. From all accounts, smoking (or putting under your armpits...each to their own) is completely incomparable to smoking the chemical-rich "coffin nails" you can buy from any corner shop; it may as well be a different drug entirely. So yeah, I'm quite psyched about my little experiment...you never know, there may even be pouches of "DopeMeGentlys" 100% organic, 100% mess-you-up-big-time untreated smoking blends coming to a hippy shop near you-a finger in the beady eyes of grasping tobacco companies every where.

Or, I'll just end up tripping balls and shoving my whole crop under my armpits. It sounds fun, actually.
 
The reason we did the armpit thing was cause that stuff is essentially unsmokeable. We tried, numerous times, but after 1 puff your head is spinning, 2 puffs is like an out of body experience, it's crazy. I think rustica has 20x the nicotine of normal tobacco. I like your stile though. I live in apt right now, but man... when I had a backyard. There was DMT over there, mescaline over here, some opium in the back, some khat in the front. Shit man, I remember when I grew some coca and I ended up chewing the leaves right off that as soon as I could. Of course it died. Totally worth it though.
 
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