Withdrawal from Suboxone, how long?

[opiodlover9024]

So I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, I was on 24mg of suboxone and then tapered to 3mg over the course of 2.5-3 years, honestly I don't know the date of my sobriety, but I haven't relapsed once and I don't get cravings, it is very odd. Anyways I decided i was sick of suboxone, i was using it like i did H for energy, and that is just sick, so I wanted to take control over my life again and be sober like I was 7 years ago. I talked to my doc and he wanted me to taper down to 0.5mg, but tapering for me since 8mg has been a royal pain in the ass.

For some reason suboxone doesn't last long for me, I wake up i am sweating balls(at any dose I was at even when i staiblize at a dose) I take a small dose and i am okay, around 3pm I have to take another dose b/c i feel so lethargic, then again at 7-9pm I need another dose for the same reason, so i at 3mg would split the dose into 0.5 in the morning, 1.5 at 3pm and 1 at 9pm, such a bitch to keep going. At night i always had clonodine and serequel, but 3-4 months ago i stopped taking serequel and switched to meletonin b/c I am not bi-polar and I don't like being a zombie all day.

Anyways I have 1 month to get off subs, i did a "rapid" taper from 3mg to 2mg, to some days doing 1.5mg. But going form 2 to 1.5mg caused me a lot of withdrawl everyday. i figured this is stupid, all I am doing is extending the withdrawl, why not hit it head first. I told me doctor and he wanted me to go into a out patient program so they could give me ativan I guess and counseling(like the last thing I want to do is talk about drugs all day, AA/NA never worked for me, i don't believe in someone to save me, i saved myself and I am the fucking reason I haven't relapsed, not god(god hates me he even gave me cancer 1.5 years ago, so IDk if there really is a god)).


ANYWAYS I have:
Clonodine Patches from thesub doc
Clonodine from thesub doc
Some seruquell b/c it realyl does knock me out.
melatonin

I bought some sodium asorbtate or whatever its like a crystal form of vitamin C that helps vitamin C absorption and there is a lot of controversy abou tit.
I bought some immodium AD
I bought a multi vitamin gummy
I bought B complex vitamin too

Then I also went to my other doctor who wrote me a script for 5mg valium with refil and to take 1 every 6 hours as needed, he is a nice guy, but also called me a pussy for being scared of the withdrawl, and I think he right, but now I am scared, I just fnished day 5 and it has been surprisingly easy.

Day 1 I was very scared b/c when I don't take my subuxone as soon as i wake up I can't get out of bed, i feel so sick, but I felt okay. Oh I jumped at 2mg, but the night before I took 3mg for a last time, I also got drunk, took a valium, and everything else so i slept as long as i could. It worked I slept until 5pm the first day, i woke up and I felt.... Fine. I took a shower, then I started feeling some of the symptoms.

Day 2: Same deal I feel actualyl okay when i wake up
Day3: Same day I feel okay when i wake up, but I started having majr stomach issues and MAJOR lethargy, once in a while i get those muscle twiches and sweats, if it gets bad I take a valium.
Day 4: Same as day 3, but I felt a bit better, however I have been getting at least 8 hours of sleep every night thanks to knocking myself out.
Day 5: Today I feel a bit worse, I have more cold sweats, but I have more energy ???? I also feel okay when I wake up.

I am scared about day 6-14, someone who jumped from 24mg and had been on for 5 years said he had to check himself into a mental hospital, but he also said that at day 9 i will deff feel better.

So far no cravings for more suboxone, once in a while i think i could be more productive if I take a tiny bit, but I only want to do this fucking thing once in my life, so no that wont happen even if I can't move.

One days 1-3 I had not been eating well at all, I could only eat some snacks like junk food. Yesterday day 4: I ate some popeyes spicy chicken breast with mashed potatos, they tasted good. Today I ate chik fila an it tasted good.

No matter the dose of the suboxone it should be almost out all of my system by now, but I am scared now. I have been reading online about guys who say the worst is day 7-9 or even longer. If the withdrawals last longer when you have been on it longer then that might make sense, but shouldn't it have hit me hard by now? Or is my experience with withdrawal from a $200 a day dope habit, or smoking fentynal patches by the dozen a lot worse make this seem like a walk through the park? Or is it possible that since it has built up in my system it is slowly systematically removing itself in a way that my body can naturally adjust easier?
When I wake up tomorrow morning I will let you guys know how i feel.


BTW that sodium asorbate thing, it really does work, it gives you some crazy energy and makes you feel good, just make sure to take 1 or 2 immodium before it b/c it'll make you pee out of the wrong hole(seriously you will peel clear out of the wrong hole), but you have to take like 20G of it to work and it doesn't' taste bad and you need to take it with vitamin C b/c it helps vit C absorbtion.

BTW I don't take the valium unless the WD are pretty un barable(and yea I am a bit of a pussy) or just at night to know me out.

What do you guys think? You think the worst is yet to come or what? 2mg of sub is equivalent to like 30-40mg of oxy which for me wasn't so hard to come off of.

BTW I have nothing to do all day, but i keep active if I have the energy. itry to watch funny things like scrubs or parks and rec(go netflix) to make me laugh and release endorphins. It is a bit too hto to go out, and since I am on the clonodine patch and benzo i don't want to mess with my heart since its like 100 out.

So do you guys think I just metabolize it quick and I am in the clear or it will get worse? I can't find good logs of anyone doing 2mg drop. Or maybe since i went through some pretty bad chemo by body thinks this is a walk in the park?

 

[neversickanymore]

Congratulations so are you on the lope right now?

 

[Carl Landrover]

Have you been sleeping at all?

I think 2mg of sub is worth more than 30-40mg of oxy. The only times I've ever successfully tapered off of sub were when I went down to .1-.2mg doses and even then I still had some WD symptoms as well as extreme difficulty sleeping.

I'd say keep during what you're doing, but I personally wouldn't have made such a big jump. If you were still getting WD symptoms just dropping 0.5mg a day, then you're going to be getting hit pretty hard by going from multiple milligrams a day to zero.

 

[opiodlover9024]

Congratulations so are you on the lope right now?

thanks! I don't think I am taking enough to block withdrawal symptoms, or maybe I was. On day 1 i took 10 pills(20mg) on day 2 I took 10 pins again, but on day 3 and 4 i took 5 pills(10mg) and then yesterday day 5 I took 4 pills( 2 in the morning with the asorbate and two in the afternoon with the asorbate) b/c if I don't take them with the asorbate I get really bad diarrhea. My pupils are usually always very big compared to how they were on subs, which makes me feel that I am not feeling the affects of subs.

Have you been sleeping at all?

I think 2mg of sub is worth more than 30-40mg of oxy. The only times I've ever successfully tapered off of sub were when I went down to .1-.2mg doses and even then I still had some WD symptoms as well as extreme difficulty sleeping.

I'd say keep during what you're doing, but I personally wouldn't have made such a big jump. If you were still getting WD symptoms just dropping 0.5mg a day, then you're going to be getting hit pretty hard by going from multiple milligrams a day to zero.

I have slept every night at least 8 hours, but i wake up multiple times to pee and then I go back to sleep until morning, but i do knock myself out.
Today I will see how long I can go without taking anything, it is day 6, and I just work up at 10:00am, i slept at midnight. I mean I am getting very good sleep here, I think its b/c I mix the valium with serequel with melatonin and nyquill and it knocks me out, I can't sleep in the same position as before, I need to flip over on my stomach and sleep that way.


Either way i just woke up I am not in withdrawls, i am in a good enough mood to use my laptop and type this. I am seriously scared though b/c I haven't had the withdrawls hit me hard yet like they should, but I honestly think if I feel better today than yesterday then I think I am over the physical part, right?

I yawn and stuff like that, I even took a nap yesterday, but IDK. I think just mentally I don't want to go through withdrawls, and perhaps what I feel like the yawns or the sweats i take my mind off withdrawls. Mental has never been an issue for me, I wake up and I look at the bottle of water next to me and I am so happy I don't have to wait 30 minutes to drink it.

I read a lot of stories that say day 4-7 it hit them hard, then you have those few that say it hit them after that but they were at high dosages... like 12mg or 24mg or 8mg.

I remember when I had to go to through surgery my psych told me to take my morning dose the day before the surgery, and that is it. I was at 8mg a day at the time. Anyways i did this, but i remember being in such antagonizing withdrawals the whole day, it was terrible, and I would even eat a valium every couple hours b/c he had given them to me for that. this time was easy, i have no idea why this time i feel for the most part okay, just some small annoying syptoms like sneezing and the cold sweats are gone now except for sometimes.

 

[neversickanymore]

syptoms like sneezing

rite, I used to get the hiccups, sneezes and yawns at the same time, so bad i couldn't even talk.. had that happen in line at a pharmacy when i was really sick picking up a script.. must have looked like I lost my mind.. lol

i think you are doing great.. just be careful with the lope as I have seen quite a few people who were using that to try and avoid the withdrawal just end up addicted to that.. not addicted but physically dependent.. so i would get off that as soon as you are able.. I hope you are almost done.. man sleeping that much in acutes.. shit I didn't sleep for over four hours a night for months and months.. be careful with that cocktail of downers.. you doing it.. nice work

 

[Carl Landrover]

^
Word on the sleeping thing.

That was one of my biggest problems with quitting in the past. After not sleeping for 3-4 days, maybe having gotten 2-3 hours total, really drains a lot out of you. Definitely can weaken your resolve. Even after the physical part was over I would still have difficulty sleeping for weeks after. It just gets to you after a while. I remember relapsing on suboxone because I just couldn't fall asleep no matter what I did. If I had more meds like clonidine, ambien, or even some benzo's probably would have made sleep possible, but I just didn't have them then. Like others have said, be careful with some of the meds you're taking to aid the WD. Don't want to get stuck on them and have just replaced addictions.

Other than that it seems like you're doing well and are keeping the right mindset. Keep it up and good luck!

 

[At4r4xis]

I was on suboxone for the longest time and it wasnt even a lot. .5 mgs mattered. your morale matters more than anything. also, if you dont smoke keep it that way you dont want your blood pressure hiking up but if you have clonodine you should be set for the most part. and dont take any other stimulants OR alcohol. a fellow i knew in rehab was having a terrible time coming off of his. I told him that itll just be a couple more days man, like 14 days into it. he continued to have trouble sleeping for the remainder of his stay but eventually got a grip on shit. if you can manage to run that helps too. when you get down to a certain point your taper will not involve subs everyday it would require something like an on a day off a day thing- that junk stays in your system so long

the way i did it personally some may not agree with but i have read of doctors even doing something similar for their patients. but you arent even at that point to consider something controversial. keep taking it down at a good pace and chill with anything else excessively. it wont help your head.

 

[opiodlover9024]

rite, I used to get the hiccups, sneezes and yawns at the same time, so bad i couldn't even talk.. had that happen in line at a pharmacy when i was really sick picking up a script.. must have looked like I lost my mind.. lol

i think you are doing great.. just be careful with the lope as I have seen quite a few people who were using that to try and avoid the withdrawal just end up addicted to that.. not addicted but physically dependent.. so i would get off that as soon as you are able.. I hope you are almost done.. man sleeping that much in acutes.. shit I didn't sleep for over four hours a night for months and months.. be careful with that cocktail of downers.. you doing it.. nice work

thanks! Yea perhaps it is the sleep that has helped me the most, I am not sure. THanks for the support and yea the cocktail is pretty crazy. I havn't taken any lope today and I feel okay, better than yesterday, so I don't think I am addicted to it. I just need energy and i will be fine, I picked up some 5 hour energy and it seems to work, I am not a coffee drinker(i really don't like uppers) but i think i might have to start drinking it or somthing.

^
Word on the sleeping thing.

That was one of my biggest problems with quitting in the past. After not sleeping for 3-4 days, maybe having gotten 2-3 hours total, really drains a lot out of you. Definitely can weaken your resolve. Even after the physical part was over I would still have difficulty sleeping for weeks after. It just gets to you after a while. I remember relapsing on suboxone because I just couldn't fall asleep no matter what I did. If I had more meds like clonidine, ambien, or even some benzo's probably would have made sleep possible, but I just didn't have them then. Like others have said, be careful with some of the meds you're taking to aid the WD. Don't want to get stuck on them and have just replaced addictions.

Other than that it seems like you're doing well and are keeping the right mindset. Keep it up and good luck!

THanks man, hopefully I will be okay!!

I was on suboxone for the longest time and it wasnt even a lot. .5 mgs mattered. your morale matters more than anything. also, if you dont smoke keep it that way you dont want your blood pressure hiking up but if you have clonodine you should be set for the most part. and dont take any other stimulants OR alcohol. a fellow i knew in rehab was having a terrible time coming off of his. I told him that itll just be a couple more days man, like 14 days into it. he continued to have trouble sleeping for the remainder of his stay but eventually got a grip on shit. if you can manage to run that helps too. when you get down to a certain point your taper will not involve subs everyday it would require something like an on a day off a day thing- that junk stays in your system so long

the way i did it personally some may not agree with but i have read of doctors even doing something similar for their patients. but you arent even at that point to consider something controversial. keep taking it down at a good pace and chill with anything else excessively. it wont help your head.

THanks, I mean I jumped at "2mg" when I say 2MG i mean i was around 2mg for a few weeks and then took 3mg my last day, and then got drunk and fell asleep, i slept like 12 hours and then woke up and didn't have withdrawal, I think sleep is the best medicine, but I am finding it is harder to sleep latley, possibly b/c the sub is finally leaving and is at a point where it has no affects.

I also don't want to drink until all the physical symptoms are gone, I never really enjoyed alcohol and I would drink once a week at most on subs even though I wasn't supposed too, but my sub doc says no alcohol b/c i am an addict, but my psychiatrist disagrees, he says I just enjoyed the high to deal with issue and I got hooked and didn't find a way out. I don't have an addictive personality just i got myself into a situation that fucked me over hard. He said i could drink but don't overdo it, and I only drink when I am at a party or something.

I honestly wish I had some weed as I think it would be a better sleep aid than the drugs i take to sleep, but I don't like smoking weed.

 

[At4r4xis]

I will say...without opioids or opiates you will get into some things you werent used to doing. drinking for me. if i could smoke trees i would but not in the position to. have you considered kratom? ive not yet used it successfully to detox plus you ahve to watch who you buy from. i got some from a particular vendor that didnt do anything at all but received good reviews from other people(15X kratom standerdized). I HAVE had plain leaf work but just required some extra work to cap it up and swallow like 15 of them. life gets EASIER without this shit in your life you just have to stay busy. and if i didnt say it before limit your chemical use as much as possible. i think eating better helps too and your digestive system will thank you..supposedly probiotics are the new prozac..

 

[thedawn]

I will say...without opioids or opiates you will get into some things you werent used to doing. drinking for me. if i could smoke trees i would but not in the position to. have you considered kratom? ive not yet used it successfully to detox plus you ahve to watch who you buy from. i got some from a particular vendor that didnt do anything at all but received good reviews from other people(15X kratom standerdized). I HAVE had plain leaf work but just required some extra work to cap it up and swallow like 15 of them. life gets EASIER without this shit in your life you just have to stay busy. and if i didnt say it before limit your chemical use as much as possible. i think eating better helps too and your digestive system will thank you..supposedly probiotics are the new prozac..

this is why I stay on the subs.
lesser of evils.for me.

 

[At4r4xis]

theres apart of me that wants to believe it works. but it has to deal with learning how to live and to function. sometimes i wonder how much more functional i would be if i was on it still even though i dont need it. and then i wonder how sick i would get again

 

[thedawn]

for me,the subs provide a little bit of relief.
takes the edge off the depression a bit.
and I only noticed that after being on it for 3 years.strange.
they're crazy expensive but thats another story.
peace.