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Will i see a decent government before i die?

Bleaney said:
Labour have pissed off a lot of voters by blocking they Burnham, but now Reform have also fucked up big time, so the Labour or Reform vote is harder to call than ever now.

Only The Greens seem to not have gone majorly wrong anywhere.

Makes them the least bad option. They could possibly even be good.
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We received a letter from Lucy Powell (Deputy Labour leader) a couple of days ago. They wouldn't do that in normal circumstances. Same old song. Vote us or get Reform.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
People without children should pay more tax, says our Reform candidate.

They're letting the Nazi tendencies shine through.
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I'd imagine that you're in a very small minority of people doing such thorough research on all of this.

If everyone knew all the stuff you're posting, Reform's share of the vote would fall off a cliff, and they'd possibly get less votes than George Galloway.

It is a very important election for many reasons. Not only for how it will affect Manchester, but it will either further hasten Starmer's decline and Labour's fall, or it could offer him and them a reprieve if they win the seat.

I really hope they don't.

That C U Next Tuesday needs some feedback about how badly most of decisions and policies are being received.
 
I'm just worrying about a split vote on the left. I'm leaning toward Green but I'm nervous about it.

Some of the people in the Longsight area and parts of Levy (Muslims) won't be overjoyed with some of the Green socially progressive policies.
 
And if certain reports are to be believed, it would lead to an increase in Vicky Pollard types on benefits, deliberately having even more children for the increased benefits.

Is that fair on tax paying working people?
 
He's proposing to “remove personal income tax for women who have two or more children”.

Then saying the country is full. Guy's a nutter. Probably counting on women with more than two children not working. Although I'd love to see where the extra childcare budget would come from for those that do work.

Probably send the kids up the chimneys.
 
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He probably meant that he wanted more white British children rather than immigrants. But even he apparently had the discretion not to post such a comment.

Farage will probably dis-own this guy if this blows up any bigger. Reform tends to attract nutty or extremist candidates. And maybe they just need the numbers and cant be too choosy yet. Although what about all of the defected Tory MPs, they are much more likely to have a 'clean internet history' in terms of personal blogs and social media statements etc, where many Reform candidates have failed to do this. Or just had facts about them that will discredit them surface from somewhere or other. The Labour Party is possibly paying someone to dig for dirt on various threats, and left leaning or centrist news papers will gladly publish such stories, about members of the Reform Party.
 
Fucking Reddit.

This! Also, there are so many LGBTQI+ people (especially LTQ & I) and their families/friends who cannot vote Labour even tactically because if Reform, Labour or Conservatives get in then these people are erased completely from public life and/or subject to systematic psychological, physical and sexual torture. It's not that some people won't, it's that many people can't because their very existence is on the line.
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The Starmer Einsatzgruppen? The Badenoch Bad Boys?

Social media should die now. When was the last time you erased a transsexual? And I've never had anything against the letters L,G,B, T, Q or I.
, T or I.
 
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There are some nutters on that platform, I know you tube isnt your favorite platform either, but this guy had some interesting things to say about the greens and labour.

If you cba watching, his main points were that membership of the green party has been exploding, especially in younger age groups, and this election could well see the start of the rise of the greens and the beginning of the end of the labour party

Just his opinion, but backed up with some numbers, and an interesting take?



Please don't be put off by his watermelons analogies.

"Are you a watermelon?" :rolleyes: Green on the outside, red on the inside. It was pretty good apart from that, well at least I thought so.

Maybe because it was telling me what I wanted to hear.
 
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Haven't watched the video yet, but it's true that seismic changes can occur in British politics. The Whigs eventually dissolved, as did their successors, the old Liberal Party. And there was no Labour until about 1900.
 
So it turns out the latest Green poll was an internal poll. This is from Findoutnow, who have been monitoring this by-election, and this is the latest:

Gorton and Denton - The Labour Party

act.labour.org.uk act.labour.org.uk

I'd usually call bullshit as it's the Labour site, but Findoutnow is independent. Worrying that Reform are on top. Does say January 26-27th, so that might be a mitigating factor.

Apparently the local Labour candidate is going to call me.
 
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I suspect things will have changed a great deal since then, with reform having less of the share, and the greens having more.

Potentially still making it a very close 3 way race.
 
So have I got this right?

Your main concern is keeping Reform out, but you're undecided whether voting Green is the best way of doing this?

But if things weren't so close, you'd have voted Labour without much hesitation? Even with the poor impression Starmer is creating, by doing things like blocking Burnham, who would have probably won the seat relatively comfortably, but Starmer seemed more interested in his own self-preservation as party leader, and didn't want any potentially strong internal threats to his position. And that was more important to him than putting the strongest and most appropriate Labour candidate forward for the seat?

I don't think anyone buys his b/s about the public didn't want to be inconvenienced with another mayorship election, nor to have to have a lot of their tax revenue spent on a new mayoral election. The second point is a relatively fair one, but overall I think many people doubt these issues were his main concerns.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
So it turns out the latest Green poll was an internal poll. This is from Findoutnow, who have been monitoring this by-election, and this is the latest:

Gorton and Denton - The Labour Party

act.labour.org.uk act.labour.org.uk

I'd usually call bullshit as it's the Labour site, but Findoutnow is independent. Worrying that Reform are on top. Does say January 26-27th, so that might be a mitigating factor.

Apparently the local Labour candidate is going to call me.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Gorton and Denton by-election: MP responds after printers admit leaflet error

Reform sent out a letter designed to look as if it was handwritten by a local resident.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Not every Labour MP is Starmer, or in favour of him.

I'm not a fan of the current Labour administration, but you can't deny that they're a LOT better than the Tories, not that the bar was necessarily high. Our Labour candidate is not part of the Starmer brigade, and won her spot in spite of that.

And yes, I'm probably voting Green out of pragmatism. We have the far right's tanks on our lawn.
 
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