Will I go through withdrawal after a week with nothing?

[Climhazzard]

tl; dr version:

I've been clean for a week. I haven't even had alcohol. I quit because my main connect is getting out of the business and I no longer have access to easy opiates except for at the beginning of each month, not because I want to. I refuse to go through withdrawal again so I decided to be done now.

My addiction is to getting high, though I do love the opiate high. Weed is 100% out of the question unfortunately. I am nursing an injury that I had surgery for a few months ago and it's not healing properly. I'm likely going to get sent to pain management and I don't want weed in my system. I've only smoked it once and didn't care much for it anyway.

So, what are my chances of getting some roxi in a couple days and avoiding withdrawal?

Also, is it possible my tolerance would've dropped after 7-8 days of nothing? My tolerance when I quit was about 60mg of roxi to feel decent.

Windbag version:

So I quit using opiates. My reason for quitting was because my main connect is getting out of the business and I will no longer have steady access to them. I have a few other people I can get them from, but I'd only have access at the beginning of the month. I've been through withdrawal more than a few times trying to quit. I decided to quit this time because I don't like the idea of having something for the first week or two of the month and then nothing for the last two weeks of the month. So I decided to drop it all.

The prob is that I don't want to quit. My opiate of choice is oxycodone, but when Purdue went to OP, I moved onto oxymorphone. It's way too much work to make OP snortable and it's a half-assed high that doesn't even compare to the old formula IMO.

Anyway, I actually kept a 10mg per day habit for like 2 years. The last year and a half my addiction has been 200mg or so of OC per day. I never got more than 40mg of oxymorphone per day though (withdrawal from oxymorphone is brutal and I'll likely never go back to that; oxycontin withdrawal is a joke compared to it in my experience). I tapered off relatively easily with OP80s and I avoided all physical withdrawal. I am starting my 7th day clean in 19 minutes.

Okay, so that's my use history. Let me make one thing clear: I was most definitely addicted and still am mentally. I still have cravings for opiates and I've been pretty depressed since I've quit. But, like I said, even though I do not want to quit, I refuse to go through physical withdrawal again. When I quit, it'd take at least 2 roxi 30s for me to feel decent.

My question is: Will I go through withdrawal if I use again a week after having nothing?

A friend of mine is re-upping his roxi script this Thursday and I am thinking about buying some from him. However, if withdrawal is still possible then I;'ll just avoid it until maybe next month. Prob is, I really, really would love to have some this weekend lol.

If it's likely that I'll go through withdrawal, then I'm not going to waste a week being clean just to get high. I got lucky with no physical withdrawal this time and I realize that.

Thanks for any input anyone could give me here. I'm really on the fence about this. If I do get some roxi in a couple of days, then I might get a week's worth and then I'd have nothing until next month.

EDIT: Or is there anything that could take the place of opiates? Kratom perhaps?

 

[grumpy w00kie]

Man..... I would just quit it all together.

I'm not sure you would withdrawal or not (even though I'm leaning towards yes)

But yeah it's better to just be done with it, you even admitted you mentally crave it. You and I both know that will eventually lead back to your old way of doing things if you only try to use on the weekends.

Just think about it.

And Kratom could be used as a replacement and does help with withdrawal, but ends up having it's own withdrawal, and in the end I dont think it's worth it for the high.

Stay clean man! I'm trying to get myself outta a habit now too.

 

[Climhazzard]

I'm thinking the same thing. The depression and not wanting to do the things I love are really kicking my ass at the moment. I've literally just sat around doing nothing when I'm not at work because I don't want to do anything. My energy is fine, no anxiety, no fatigue, I just don't want to do anything. The addiction I had is more than enough to keep me from getting addicted again. However, if I am feeling like this next week, I'm going to start looking for another reliable connect. I'd rather be a junky than friggin' depressed and not wanting to do the things I love.

I would give anything to have never gotten addicted so I wouldn't know what I am missing. Prob is, I know what I'm missing and I don't want to quit lol.

Thanks for the advice, man.

 

[Jabberwocky]

these are pretty basic question and through some searching and reading of your own you're able to gather a good idea of what you're to experience.

i'm going to send this over to BDD and let them decide the fate of this thread.

 

[grumpy w00kie]

Yeah dude, I've hit the point where I just want out and I hope you get to that point too someday before your so deep you can't get out.(Not saying I wont relapse eventually) I llove opiates and always will.

Your always gonna feel that depression when opiates aren't in your system, Unless you take the time off that your brain needs to recover from the chemical bombardment it endured for 2 whole years, Even if it was only 10mg a day to make you feel alright.

Physically though, I think if you took off a month from opiates and went threw the withdrawal and you only used during the weekends then you wouldnt develop and physical side affects when you stop. But mentally your never gonna feel right without them.

 

[Climhazzard]

these are pretty basic question and through some searching and reading of your own you're able to gather a good idea of what you're to experience.

i'm going to send this over to BDD and let them decide the fate of this thread.

Sorry about that. I've done some pretty extensive searching over the last couple of days and didn't find anyone's use that was similar to mine. My first two years could hardly even be considered a habit - I thought perhaps since I kept the opiate monkey off my back for so long, that I may have a chance to start using again recreationally. Oddly enough, I never had a problem with opiates until I decided to quit last year. At that time, I took a week of vacation from work and bought OC to actually get high instead of just take the everyday aches and pains out. I've been hooked since that high + my 2 years prior use made it hard to get off them.

Thanks again grumpy w00kie for the input. Now that I think about it, I may go ahead and try it this week. I won't have any way to get anything else for the rest of the month. So, no matter how bad I get hooked, there's no way I can get more for at least another 3 weeks. I am a fairly responsible user and can actually hold off dosing until withdrawals kick in IF I HAVE TO haha. This should give me a very good indication of what to expect in the future. I wish I were like you and ready to quit, I'm just not ready yet. I know I'm dancing with the devil here, but I really need to know how this will play out. I've not made up my mind for sure yet though.

 

[Dr Rxpert]

sounds like you need to quit man, you're doing them just to get high? I guess you snort it also? put your mind to it and stop, go get help, they will make you comfortable and teach you how to live again in the world without using. go get high on life. Im saying this because I used them for years and years to get high and I've almost died 3 times, 2 overdoses (oxycodone,xanax,soma) and passed out at the wheel and hit a semi truck head on. Now because of my careless back in the day I am prescribed them legit from the wreck and take them as directed, I have to in order to get a better quality of life. sorry if I sound like a dick, I just been there man. god bless

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I recommend quitting as well, or researching a tapering plan, there are many options. Including buprenorphine (Suboxone) or tapering with your current opiate of choice. Kratom is also an option, as you mentioned.

So, what are my chances of getting some roxi in a couple days and avoiding withdrawal?

I don't know what you mean by this question, we can't tell you if you're going to re-up on Roxicodone (oxycodone) or not, how would we know this?

Okay, so that's my use history. Let me make one thing clear: I was most definitely addicted and still am mentally. I still have cravings for opiates and I've been pretty depressed since I've quit. But, like I said, even though I do not want to quit, I refuse to go through physical withdrawal again. When I quit, it'd take at least 2 roxi 30s for me to feel decent.

My question is: Will I go through withdrawal if I use again a week after having nothing?

It is possible, although it won't be as bad as going through the withdrawal after long-term usage with higher doses. Your tolerance has probably gone down as well, keep that mind.

A lot of people have gone through/are going through what you're going through, you're not alone there.

I recommend reading through this thread: Utilising Kratom for Opiate Withdrawal. The Kratom Thread may also be of interest to you.

While this has been discussed before, I'm going to leave it open, at least for the time being.

 

[Climhazzard]

Thanks, folks. Thank you all for taking the time to help me out. I don't want you all to think I just totally ignored your advice, because I haven't (even though it may seem so). Even though I went and bought more roxi today, I took everyone's words to heart and I appreciate that.

As to why I bought more is that I need to find my limits. I have to find out how much I can use and avoid addiction. As it is, I went and bought 5 more roxi. I could've bought enough for the month, but I just stuck with 5. I really need to find my limit here as far as when I can start using again and avoid withdrawal. Don't get me wrong, the craving was and is still there, I know I am not "healed." Not even close. But I am testing my limits. I do not plan on giving up opiates, but I am going to do my best to be able to use recreationally. If it comes to the point to where I just can't do it, then so be it. I'll find something else.


I used two of the roxi and I don't plan on using again until Saturday (if I can). That alone will be an amazing feat. Even after I bought them, they were with me all day at work. I could've very easily headed off to the bathroom, ground down a line and snorted it. But I kept them in my backpack for 8-9hrs. I wanted to use them foshoyo, but I held off because I wasn't going to waste my high at work. I even gave the TUMs I ate 45 minutes to work once I got home.

I had hoped my tolerance would've dropped, but it didn't. If it did, it didn't drop much. I started out and tried 15mg. Nothing. I finished the rest of it and barely felt anything. Did another 15mg 10 mins later and I started to feel it better. Another 15mg 10mins after that and it put me where I wanted to be. It is a little stronger, so my tolerance has dropped in that aspect, but it still takes 60mg to put me where I want to be.

I'll update if I have any withdrawal, cravings, anxiety or anything of note.

Again, thanks so much for taking the time to reply, folks. I really do appreciate it even though it seems like I just totally ignored everything and went ahead and did it anyway.

Update, May 5, 2011:

It's been over 12hrs since I've done anything and no physical nor mental withdrawal thus far. I used to start getting withdrawal 6-8hrs after dosing. I should've paid attention to the time that I did use last night, but I didn't think about it and didn't get an exact time (I'd say right around 13hrs).

The best thing so far is no cravings to use. Do I want to rail another 60mg? Yup, but it's not that big of a deal and there are no cravings and no anxiety. I don't feel that I HAVE to use it to function today even though I'm very, very tired.

I didn't get a good night's sleep last night. At all. Sometimes I sleep like a baby after opiates, other times I look at the clock and it's 30 minutes later and I can't tell if I've actually slept or not. The only way I know I've slept is that I'll remember a dream and I'll know that the events in my dream couldn't have happened. That's kind of weird, I know, but it's the best way I know to explain it.

I'm about to go to work. I'm not taking the 3 roxi I have left with me to work. We'll see how that pans out. I may start craving like a fiend... who knows, it's only been 12hrs+ after a week of abstinence. I'll update in approximately another 12hrs, but so far, so good.

I probably should've used all 5 roxi like I used to and see if that produces any kind of withdrawal. I think that would give me better results on what to expect. But I said I was going to save them until Saturday, so I'll stick to that plan. I don't want to feel like I am trying to justify using my last 3 right now after saying I would try to wait until Saturday.

Anyway, talk to you all again in 12hrs or so.

Update #2, May 6, 2011:

I don't know if anyone is paying attention to this thread anymore, but I'll update again.

Another 13hrs have gone by and still no withdrawal. So that's over a day since I've used. No withdrawal. This is good news for me. I haven't taken anymore roxi. I definitely craved it more this last half of a day than the first half of the day after I used again. But, the cravings weren't nearly as bad as when I first started this thread. I think since I gave myself a taste that I satisfied my craving for the drug to some extent. Does that even sound possible? I'm definitely getting a different reaction than I thought I would. I still crave the drug... actually, I think "want" is a better term now as it's just not as intense as it was before I used again after my days of sobriety.

Perhaps my addiction has kept me weary of what can easily happen? Perhaps it's just not possible for addiction to kick in full force after going a week with nothing and then just doing 60mg of roxi? I don't know, it's rather weird I think.

Anyone else have any ideas? If anything significant comes up before I use again on Saturday, I'll be sure and post it, but it's been smooth sailing thus far. I hope I'm not getting excited for nothing.

Update #3 May 7, 2011

Well, I still have my 3 roxi left. I'm saving them for tonight (hopefully; more on this later). I still have not had any physical withdrawal symptoms (from my use earlier in the week). I've been a bit hypochondriacal (I know that's not a word, but you get the meaning) when looking for symptoms and I've felt nothing. I had some cravings yesterday afternoon that were more intense than the previous few days, but not nearly as bad as before my use after a week.

I did, however, go to a party last night and I snorted (my fave mode of dosing/abusing) approximately 20mg of Opana that was offered to me. 20mg of oxymorphone (at once) is a lot for me. I've done that much at once before, but it normally puts me in nod-mode almost immediately if I am just chillin'. I can do oxycodone pretty much all day and non-stop and I rarely nod of it. Weird stuff, this Opana.

Anyway, I didn't even think twice about it doing it, but this is how I want to be a recreational user: use when it's offered and buy some maybe once or twice a month. I am having minor physical withdrawal this morning though. I don't know if it's because I did the oxymorphone (that stuff is friggin' brutal lol) or if it's because I used twice within a few days of each other after only quitting for a week. If my withdrawal has subsided by tonight, then I'll hold off on doing my last 3 roxi because I want to see if more opiates is what triggering the withdrawal of if it's just the oxymorphone (my guess is the latter).

That's been my journey so far. I apologize for the length of this post and my updates, but I want to give as much detail as I can (plus I talk a lot anyway). I'll give one more update after I take my last roxi tonight or tomorrow. I don't know how or if this helps anyone, but I am hoping this will help someone in the future. Perhaps if someone is wanting to go from addict to recreational user they can learn or maybe gauge their use/addiction according to my experiences over the last few days.

Update #4 May 8, 2011

Had some anxiety last night on top of the physical withdrawal. I didn't use anything else and still have 3 roxi left. The withdrawals were relatively minor and nothing that would keep me down.

As I said before, I held off taking the roxi because I want to see if this is withdrawal from the oxymorphone or because I used used more opiates after only a week of being clean. My withdrawal is gone, but I'm going to wait until late tonight before I do another roxi and then I will do just one and then wait a day to see if I have any withdrawal. This should give me a good idea of whether it was the Opana giving me withdrawal or more just opiates in general. I am hoping it was the just the Opana.

I know I said this will likely be my last update, but I'm going to give at least one more to let you all know if I experience withdrawal from the one 30mg roxi I plan on doing late tonight or early tomorrow morning. Again, sorry for the length.

 

[lesel77]

I know it's been years since you wrote all of that but my situation is as yours was. I've been off oc for a week now and am feeling pretty good. I want to do one but was afraid it would put me back to day one. I was doing 60+ mg/day for seven years. I used suboxone to detox for four of the days and 30mg time released morphine for two. I know I'm a dumb ass like many of us. I like the high but don't want wd's. What became of you?

 

[TheLostBoys]

I find that an addiction to opiates isn't as bad when someone is taking opiates diagnosed pain compared to those that just do opiates to get high.

People doing opiates to get high are usually chasing the high itself compared to most pain patients trying to get pain relief (don't get me wrong, even pain patients like getting high off their pain meds as well).

As for stopping opiates & withdrawing, I have done it once or twice just to see if I could but since my tolerance wasnt too high, it wasn't too bad. Only thing was the feeling of massive boredom & not wanting to do anything.. . ..so I understand exactly what people mean.

I can't begin to imagine what its like to come off oxymorphone.......everything I've read & what people have told me, its just plan misery.........

 

[lesel77]

I am prescribed them. I had a doctor who's philosophy was that no one should experience pain. I could barely walk due to bad knees so while we did the whole X-Ray to MRI drill he prescribed me an outrageous amount of OC. I was real naïve about how addicting they were. I had only had them after each cesarean birth and they weren't that strong. This doc had me initially on 10mg and then proceeded to increase it to 2 30mg each 4-6 hrs. Let me also add that each visit he also reminded me that he does female exams. Hmmm. He doesn't practice any longer. He got into doing cosmetic lazer stuff. I had my surgery but only on one of my bad knees. Shortly after that I was laid off at work, lost insurance, and have been dealing with my remaining knee pain. I do go to a pain mgmt doc now and get 3 15mg a day. I just decided I'm tired of running out and worrying about where I can find some to make up for the double dosing I do time to time. I've rambled. I enjoyed reading all of the posts on the subject of quitting or switching from addiction to a sometimes situation. Like I said in my previous post I'm on day six and feeling fine physically. I just got 4 15mg from someone who owed me but I don't know at this point if I will end up taking one. If I do I'll let you know if it sends me into wd mode the next day.