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Will DMT and LSD help me if I have PTSD?

mysticgypsychild

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I have PTSD from being abused as a child, and the memories did not come out until about 3 years ago. It's affecting my life, and my boyfriend tells me that it's affecting him. He thinks I should do LSD, Mushrooms, and DMT. I have done mushrooms. I have had good trips, bad trips etc. I hate the gut rot and the anxiety that can accompany. I am afraid to do LSD for two reasons. A) having a bad trip and it lasting a long time, and possibly losing my mind... B) My boyfriend wants me to do it with him, and I don't feel comfortable being in a vulnerable state like that with him at this point. (yes, why am I with him if i don't feel safe to trip with him... i know. it's something of a complicated nature. I just don't want to be fucked with while i'm in an alter state of consciousness.) Anyways.... I have done ahyawaska in south america. I was very afraid to do it, but I did. It was very interesting, and also scary. He thought that it would cure my problems for PTSD.... but apparently not. He thinks I should do LSD and smoke DMT. It's just that when I am sober, I can feel very dark and lonely, and I am afraid that if I do either of these.... that it will maximize this stuff I am feeling and make me lose my mind. I don't mind EGO death and what not, but i am afraid of going crazy permanently. My boyfriend tells me I'm crazy a little too often, and that it's from PTSD. Any advice? I'm not sure if this guy is actually trying to help me, or just trying to change me because he doesn't like me, and he's got some of his own issues. :? Does anyone know if DMT or LSD is useful in curing PTSD? I know MDMA has been proven to help people with PTSD, but again, I would need the right setting. I would love to volunteer for MAPS. Help me guys.
 
Well...it depends.
I have PTSD and discovered aMT about six months ago which helped me a lot at first in terms of overcoming some of my problems and working through stuff that I wouldn't be able to face sober. That being said...I also had one absolutely horrible trip which basically made me relive the event that gave me PTSD in the first place, and all I can say is it made the PTSD a hell of a lot harder to deal with afterwards, to the point where I was unable to go out of my room for a few weeks afterwards. So....yes, it can help, if you make sure to be in the absolute best set/setting possible so as to minimise the risk of bad trips, because those really can make everything much, much worse. If you're not comfortable tripping with your boyfriend, don't do it. Hope it goes well.
 
What about Amphetamines?

I've read a lot of promising studies about MDMA and it's potential uses in the treatment of PTSD. So, if I were to take MDMA before a therapy session, would I be more likely to be able to face what is causing my PTSD? I'm not saying I'm going to (I don't have access to any Ecstasy, and even if I did, it would probably be a shittier drug like Methylone or MDPV). However, I do have access to other Amphetamines.

The pharmacological profile of all psychostimulant amphetamines is practically identical. They all exert their mechanism of actions on the DAT, NET, and SERT. The difference is some have higher affinity for SERT over the others. Amphetamine and MDMA both have the same psychological effects, however, Amphetamines ability to stimulate SERT into operating in reverse is much less than that of MDMA (also, I believe MDMA also has some minor 5HT2a binding affinity).

Anyways, my point is, could Amphetamine help with PTSD in a similar way that MDMA does?

I ask because, before I was prescribed Adderall, I was a broken mess. PTSD ruled my life and I could barely even get out of bed in the morning, if at all. Adderall changed all that. Suddenly, I was able to function again. I was able to go about my day without living in fear. Adderall gave me my life back. Due to the fact that it's pharmacodynamics are similar (not entirely the same, but similar nonetheless) it makes sense that it, too, would have some possible indications in the treatment of PTSD.
 
What about Amphetamines?

I've read a lot of promising studies about MDMA and it's potential uses in the treatment of PTSD. So, if I were to take MDMA before a therapy session, would I be more likely to be able to face what is causing my PTSD? I'm not saying I'm going to (I don't have access to any Ecstasy, and even if I did, it would probably be a shittier drug like Methylone or MDPV). However, I do have access to other Amphetamines.

The pharmacological profile of all psychostimulant amphetamines is practically identical. They all exert their mechanism of actions on the DAT, NET, and SERT. The difference is some have higher affinity for SERT over the others. Amphetamine and MDMA both have the same psychological effects, however, Amphetamines ability to stimulate SERT into operating in reverse is much less than that of MDMA (also, I believe MDMA also has some minor 5HT2a binding affinity).

Anyways, my point is, could Amphetamine help with PTSD in a similar way that MDMA does?

I ask because, before I was prescribed Adderall, I was a broken mess. PTSD ruled my life and I could barely even get out of bed in the morning, if at all. Adderall changed all that. Suddenly, I was able to function again. I was able to go about my day without living in fear. Adderall gave me my life back. Due to the fact that it's pharmacodynamics are similar (not entirely the same, but similar nonetheless) it makes sense that it, too, would have some possible indications in the treatment of PTSD.

I'm not convinced that amphetamines could work like MDMA is supposed to for PTSD. The heightened state of serotonin produces the more meaningful psychological effects of MDMA, which are the important aspects for therapeutic value.
 
I'm not convinced that amphetamines could work like MDMA is supposed to for PTSD. The heightened state of serotonin produces the more meaningful psychological effects of MDMA, which are the important aspects for therapeutic value.

Actually it's the combination of neurotransmitter increase that causes the euphoric effects of MDMA, not just Serotonin alone. Have you ever tried Safrole? It's the actve ingredient in Nutmeg? Anyways, it's entirely serotonergic (has no Dopaminergic or Noradrenergic effects) and it's an awful drug. It makes me sicker than hell and restless. There has to be Dopaminergic and Noradrenergic activity for it to be like MDMA, not just Serotonergic activy.

Also, like I stated above, MDMA, Methamphetamine, Amphetamine and Phenethylamine all have the same effect on Serotonin as MDMA, however, MDMA has much higher affinity for the Serotonin transporters then the ladder. Amphetamine, Methamphetamine and Phenethylamine all have SERT affinity, however, MDMA's affinity for the SERT is much higher than the rest.

Also, if I remember correctly, I believe MDMA also has some 5HT2a binding affinity. It's something like 10Ki. So it's not a huge amount, but it's enough to produce noticeable effects.
 
My experience is the opposite: I lived a pretty abusive childhood, but found happiness by being away from the abusive home with friends. I seemed to endure that environment without ill affect. I suspect I would have made it through the childhood as intact as my sibling did if someone did not drop LSD on me when I was 12 in 1975.

It turned out that my vulnerability was not an abusive reality (home life), but a terrifying unreality. It destroyed me and still continues to. I have been diagnosed as having PTSD from that horrifying trip. I wouldn't take it if I were you. I had an abusive childhood and I would love to have it back compared to what came after the LSD. LSD can (and did for me) take you to a hell you cannot possibly imagine. My trip was so bad and so terrifying that the mere realization that that level of fear is possible sends me into a panic still, after all these years.

A note on PTSD. Beware! The diagnosis is being handed out like crazy to almost everyone. I suggest going to the library and checking out your symptoms against the DSM IV (Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual) to verify the diagnosis.
 
Actually, it's MDMA that is currently undergoing studies for therapeudic use to treat PTSD. That will be molly's 1st legal medicinal use, in hopefully the near-future.

But acid coul help you make a revelation tho.
 
There is no way to know for sure whether it will have a positive, neutral, or negative effect on your mental state in the long run.

If you do choose to treat your PTSD with psychedelics, make sure to control for every variable that you can think of. As in: being prepared with everything that will make the trip as comfortable as possible (music water a blanket whatever). You do sound experienced with tripping so I'm sure I am being redundant with this advice.
 
Really late but..

Drug Studies -> Psychedelic Drugs

In my personal experience psychedelics have vast healing potential - just under 2 years ago I had debilitating social anxiety that stopped me leaving the house, a single trip on AMT changed that forever.

Psychedelics and empathogens like MDMA definitely have very real potential in treating PTSD, and there have been a bunch of MDMA for PTSD clinical trials done recently to help bring this to light.

Your boyfriend is definitely trying to help. That said though, you should be ready and happy with the idea if you wish to explore that avenue - if you're uncomfortable about the idea then the experience might be uncomfortable too. It's possible MDMA might be a better bet for that reason, since on MDMA you have that intense empathy and warmth that helps you not to shy away from your fears and face them head on, knowing you're safe and loved.

Either way, do a lot of research on the subject, and maybe see if there are any openings in any of the PTSD studies using MDMA going on worldwide - you'd get much more out of an MDMA or psychedelic therapy session if the person there with you is a trained professional. :)
 
Your boyfriend is an idiot. That said, mushrooms and MDMA can heal very deep trauma. Stay away from LSD, it can be re-traumatizing, especially in high doses (sorry krenshaw). It does however also get trauma to surface which can then be released by mushrooms or MDMA.
 
Your boyfriend is an idiot. That said, mushrooms and MDMA can heal very deep trauma. Stay away from LSD, it can be re-traumatizing, especially in high doses (sorry krenshaw). It does however also get trauma to surface which can then be released by mushrooms or MDMA.
That is kind of harsh but I do get where he's coming from, if you're going through something like this I can't believe he is telling you about how it affects him.
These are your problems, not his, and he shouldn't be saying anything that could make you feel guilty for something out of your control.
With that being said psychedelics can have a profound effect, but be careful because they can make things MUCH worse
 
Your boyfriend is an idiot. That said, mushrooms and MDMA can heal very deep trauma. Stay away from LSD, it can be re-traumatizing, especially in high doses (sorry krenshaw). It does however also get trauma to surface which can then be released by mushrooms or MDMA.

I think what's worth mentioning here is that any psychedelic with the wrong set and setting can be just as traumatising as it can be healing. It's rare that a psychedelic will change your life in a long term negative way but they can really bring to surface those emotions and negative thoughts you've tried your best to keep at bay, and tried to hide from yourself.

If you're ready to deal with them, and work through them, then it can be a cathartic experience that can release you from your past suffering and let you move forward with your life - but if exploring such an avenue of therapy you have to be prepared to face the darkest of those feelings during the experience, and to be able to confront and beat them. This is why it's extremely important to be prepared and only do it if you know what you're doing and have someone you trust fully there guiding you through it - who also knows what they're doing.

Each psychedelic has its own effect profile and for some people most psychedelics will be healing to them, for others psychedelics are something they're not comfortable enough with for them to be a useful tool for them - and for others certain psychedelics will help, while others will do little or make things worse.

If you consider this I'd really recommend deciding very careful on the setting, the trip partner, and what psychedelic you go for - since it really depends on what works well for you.

The classic tryptamines like mushrooms, other 4-substituted tryptamines, DMT, and similar psychedelics, are known for being profoundly emotional, to both extremes of the scale. They'll unlock every door to every one of your hidden secrets and fears and throw them out all over the floor for you to witness - but they can also produce that profound healing relief when you face those fears and decide how you're going to get over them. They can be very difficult and trying experiences though.

Classic phenethylamines like Mescaline, 2C-B and the like tend to be less trying and difficult emotional experiences, but as a result they may require more work and guidance from you and your sitter to get the desired result - however there's usually less of a potential for extremely emotionally painful and difficult experiences.

There are others like LSD that are more mixed in their actions and harder to predict how it'll affect you - for some it's more like mushrooms and deeply emotional, while for others it's more of a controllable experience like traditional phenethylamines. It's one you really have to judge for yourself.

I can only say what helped me personally - AMT, as I already mentioned. AMT is a triple monoamine releaser (think empathogen, like MDMA) *and* a typical psychedelic like mushrooms or LSD. This combined effect profile allows for the same deep life-changing experiences one can experience during a psychedelic trip, while feeling safe, warm, and loved, wrapped up in the loving glow of the empathogenic side of the drug. This effect profile really did wonders for me and while I'd tried to seek therapy via psychedelics before - I'd had no luck until AMT, which was a game changer, putting everything right in one trip with my best friend. Though I'd have to add that if you have PTSD, some people with PTSD are sometimes prescribed things like SSRIs or MAOIs - which can be dangerous in combination with AMT, so you can cross it off the list if you're on any of those.

It may be one worth considering if you go down this route - but like I said, all of this requires careful consideration, and you shouldn't even consider this route unless you feel completely comfortable with it and have someone you trust who can help guide you through the experience.

Taking a psychedelic with the goal to cure yourself will achieve nothing other than show you your problems - I am very firmly set in the belief that to actually heal you require another person there, a guide, who works through those problems with you and takes you through the experience safely, letting you learn and grow and come out the other side a fresh new healthy person. :)

I think the first step is to try and make sure you feel more calm and comfortable in your day to day life - find a comfortable routine you like, make sure you're surrounded by people you trust, and that you have a sense of peace and know you have somewhere safe you can go. Then when you know you have some anchor of safety you can consider such a method to finally rid yourself of the PTSD that's been haunting you. :)
 
dont listen to the people saying mushrooms/LSD are better than the other. in your case, as someone who has not tried them before, they are pretty much in the same ballpark. people react drastically different to different drugs from person to person and from drug to drug. its hard to recommend these things without knowing much of your personal history and goals.

heres what i think:

if you cant handle smoking weed dont even start with this stuff

MDMA/ecstasy has been probably the most useful in PTSD therapy, but you MUST be sure you are getting the real thing as there are adulterants that could definitely make you even crazier. get testing kit! you can pick one up from banners on this site or go to the dancesafe, bunkpolice, or eztest websites.

mushrooms/LSD/psychedelics are a whole different ballgame though. they are incredibly powerful. they can potentially break open your mind and let all the things that haunt you rule the roost. they can also show you the true perspective of your experiences and possibly even a way forward. all of this can be catalyzed with the help of a good guide or therapist who knows what he/she is doing in these strange territories.

if you look hard enough you can find underground therapists (REAL therapists) that will do this for you. it is illegal, so theres that, but people certainly do it. you can also go to the southwest of the states and do a legitimately legal peyote ceremony or go to south america and do an ayahuasca ceremony. these options are typically only for those serious enough to go to drastic measures open up and heal themselves.

research, research, research this stuff until you are convinced you have learned every thing possible about the substances you are interested in using. knowledge is power with this stuff.

i would say find some good, legitimate MDMA and start from there. a night in with your BF/GF or someone you are comfortable with opening about these things to is the way to do it. find good music, and comfortable surroundings.
 
Don't take drugs like LSD, DMT/Ayahuasca, AMT, MDMA/MDA, 2C-B, mescaline, etc. for your PTSD as that's just self medicating and will make your PTSD 1,000X worse. Instead go see a doctor, counselor, or therapist.
 
My experience is the opposite: I lived a pretty abusive childhood, but found happiness by being away from the abusive home with friends. I seemed to endure that environment without ill affect. I suspect I would have made it through the childhood as intact as my sibling did if someone did not drop LSD on me when I was 12 in 1975.

It turned out that my vulnerability was not an abusive reality (home life), but a terrifying unreality. It destroyed me and still continues to. I have been diagnosed as having PTSD from that horrifying trip. I wouldn't take it if I were you. I had an abusive childhood and I would love to have it back compared to what came after the LSD. LSD can (and did for me) take you to a hell you cannot possibly imagine. My trip was so bad and so terrifying that the mere realization that that level of fear is possible sends me into a panic still, after all these years.

A note on PTSD. Beware! The diagnosis is being handed out like crazy to almost everyone. I suggest going to the library and checking out your symptoms against the DSM IV (Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual) to verify the diagnosis.

Fuck LSD at 12? I was 14 when I first did shrooms and then LSD. I think I smoked a little dope, got drunk a few times n smoked a few cigs at 12. Holy crap any wonder it did what it did to you. I can't believe someone would give LSD to someone who was 12! I thought I was bad having done shit at that age and kind of worry that it's part of why I still use substances and am posting on BL after a night of using/abusing 2cb and 4 ho mipt some 20 odd years latter. It must have cooked me good. That or it's to do with the shit I've dealt with in personal life and professional life causing PTSD. Believe me It'd send most people at least a little mental.

It is up to DSM V BTW now, no more multiple personality disorders now they are dissociative identity disorders. I'd be careful OP as even though MDMA was once used as a therapeutic tool it was in the presence of a trained psychologist/psychiatrist and produced at a pharmaceutical grade level. LSD is NOT something that has proven to be a good therapy tool, indeed the opposite is true. New studies indicate the active ingredient in mushrooms may be helpful but again professional practitioner, dose level, pharmaceutical only not shrooms from some farmers field. See above post by priesttheycalledhim.

Fuck doing drugs if your trying to deal with PTSD and you have never done anything before. Drugs mask shit or they overwhelm you and it's way to much to deal with. I can't believe people are recommending trying to source MDMA/LSD/Shrooms as a method of dealing PTSD by having a talk with your partner. You need to have some previous experience prior to trying to deal with emotional issues otherwise you may get overwhelmed and make it worse. Your partner may not be able to handle what you tell them or be judgmental or be unable to accept what your dealing with.

WTF people? I'm as pro drug as they come but drugs do not solve life's problems that comes from acceptance of yourself and what has happened to you. Some people can never deal with the trauma like war vets. I'd never give a war vet a crap load of drugs and try and talk him/her down about the night 20 of their friends were killed or the kid they saw buried under the rubble of a building or the smell of week old corpses. Does not work.
 
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Yeah okay, maybe not idiot. I don't know the guy ofc. It just sounds a little bit like it

Very nice post Jesus :)

GM; LSD can be traumatizing http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_basics.shtml so it's not the exact same as with shrooms

lovepsychadelics; MDMA has had a 80% success ratio in treating non-treatable war-vets. So it seems to be working just fine. But yeah, preferably with someone accepting on the side. Not someone who says "stop crying" or "cheer up" :D
 
These psychedelics helped me through PTSD to whatever degree that constitutes my current will to live.

It's also a source for bittersweet and heartbreaking flashbacks which leave me feeling like I just had stepped into a time machine.
 
MDMA is definitely the way to go with PTSD. Psychedelics can help, but they can also make things worse. MDMA will not do that, period. MDMA is the tool for PTSD therapy, it does not result in bad trips, it induces a feeling of safety, warmth, and love. It does not distort perception the way psychedelics do, MDMA is an empathogen, not a psychedelic. I would not recommend you take a psychedelic based on what you have described, I would recommend MDMA only.

Only take MDMA every 1.5 to 3 months, it does have some adverse physical effects on the brain when used excessively or in high doses.

And for God's sake, make sure you have a high quality chemical. MDMA is ideal, methylone is essentially the same experience but a little less potent. For the other MDxx analogues, I do not have enough experience to speak on the subject. Testing kits are available, I would highly recommend one.

Your boyfriend sounds like he is in a jerk state of mind. I would not trip with him if I were you. A good friend who you trust and who you want to have the experience with would be a far better choice than him. They don't have to be on the drug.

Dose wise, I would recommend between 100-150 mg, with half of the original dose 1.5 hours after the first dose. This second dose will not get you higher, it merely prolongs the experience another hour or two from the typical 4 hours with minimal adverse effects. This is what is usually used in therapeutic settings. If you have not taken MDMA before, you will probably not have much of a "hangover" the day after, if any. Some people even report an "afterglow" the day after. This does change with repeated use though.
 
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Yeah okay, maybe not idiot. I don't know the guy ofc. It just sounds a little bit like it

Very nice post Jesus :)

GM; LSD can be traumatizing http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_basics.shtml so it's not the exact same as with shrooms

lovepsychadelics; MDMA has had a 80% success ratio in treating non-treatable war-vets. So it seems to be working just fine. But yeah, preferably with someone accepting on the side. Not someone who says "stop crying" or "cheer up" :D

It was used in the late 70's early 80's for psychological councelling. I did not know it was used today. You'd need to be with a trained professional though through out. Someone who will not judge you or ever reveal personal info etc. Do you know of any publications of recent use for PTSD treatment for war vets etc? It'd be interesting to read :). BTW it still means 20% remain unresponsive to treatment. But 8 out of 10 is a favorable ratio. To the OP I'd be very cautious about using a substance period for the first time with the intent of dealing with PTSD especially without the aid of a trained professional.
 
Yes, and I would like to add it occurs to me "recommend" may be the wrong word. Rather, if you are going to to use a chemical for PTSD treatment, MDMA would likely be the most favourable, not psychedelics. And, don't take a chemical if you are being pressured to because it bothers someone else. Only if you're the one who wants to take this route. And again, I wouldn't recommend taking it with him, based on what you've described. I wouldn't want a person like that in my head, they don't sound like they would know what they were doing. An actual counselor would be best, but a good friend who you trust I think would be better than such an individual. And again, they do not also have to be on the drug.
 
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