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Arctherus

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Will any of these actual cases of people "Messed up from Ecstasy use" be valid...

If the purity of their pills/mollies were a factor?

I know there are the few of us who test our pills/powder before we take it, but I am sure such measures were not taken(By the majority) by the people of the 80's-early 2000's.

Sure the augment could be that stuff was much more pure on the streets, but it would be ignorant to say some dealers tried to add adulterants for more $$$.
For all we know at least 1 of every 10 pills the people took had some kind of adulterant in them. Therefore, I feel most of these cases of people getting "messed up" solely because of MDMA are void.

I would like state, that until a person has ONLY rolled off of 100% clean pills/powder, for a long period of time, no conclusions could be drawn from people who claim MDMA has destroyed their brain.
 
Arctherus said:
I would like state, that until a person has ONLY rolled off of 100% clean pills/powder, for a long period of time, no conclusions could be drawn from people who claim MDMA has destroyed their brain.
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Lol Ive had friends who stocked up on nothing but "100% clean pills/powder", go on crazy binges because they haves ego's similar to yours, then cant figure out 3 months later why "MDMA has destroyed their brain"

So trust me BRO, pure shit will fuck you hard in the ass. 8)
 
IMO people that take MDMA responsibly will not have any brain damage. If you take MDMA irresponsibly for a long period of time I'm sure you will feel some after effects. I took good pills every weekend for a few months a couple of years ago and definitely felt some effects but they wore off after a period of time. I do not feel that MDMA has a neurotoxic effect unless HEAVILY abused. I only rolled every weekend for about three months but if you did it every weekend for a year I could imagine some brain damage occuring. At the same time I don't think anyone would believe the effects outweigh the benefits enough to take it every weekend for a complete year, and if anyone did I really don't know what they thought the point of it was. After a few months the high from ecstasy severely decreases from what it was when you first started popping and I really don't think anyone would enjoy enduring the side effects for that long. I have taken enough ecstasy to realize that it is not that bad of a drug, especially when used responsibly. I honestly believe if you took molly/MDMA once a month for the rest of your life it wouldn't effect you in a completely negative way. Maybe I am wrong but at the same time I've never been able to have control over it enough to take it this infrequently. I have rolled close to 1000 times and do not feel any adverse effects from the drug.
 
^ alcohol is neurotoxic and it can take decades for people to develop problems from it.

Just remember we are talking long term.

MD has only been around for what, 30 years?
 
alcohol and MDMA are completely different drugs. Ever heard of an alcoholic who drinks everyday? I know many. Ever heard of an Ecstasy user who rolls everyday? I don't think so. While if taken at even half the frequency as drinking I'm sure it will have some nasty effects, I don't think that people will 'keep the magic' long enough or be able to deal with the anxiety, depression, etc. that comes from hardcore ecstasy use to keep on doing it at a rate that they started out at. It seems the only negative side effects that people complain about are memory problems, depression, anxiety, etc which all go away over time. If people were developing cancer from too much ecstasy use it would be a different story.
 
Arctherus said:
If the purity of their pills/mollies were a factor?
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Yes - if somebody was consuming dirty pills for twenty years then the active 'cut' would certainly have a part in the long term damage.

I cant remember a single fake E in the 80' - in the 90's a lot of newer pills were showing up MDA etc but it wasnt until probably the 00's that piperazines and the flood of real fake pills started to show up. We have already seen the long term effects from people taking MDMA - what will be interesting to see is in the next 20 years the effect on people who are at present taking piperazines every weekend.

Im not saying that every pill in the 90's was real MDMA but I certainly dont think that there was a time where fake pills were as prevelant as they are now.
 
chitown rollin said:
alcohol and MDMA are completely different drugs. Ever heard of an alcoholic who drinks everyday? I know many. Ever heard of an Ecstasy user who rolls everyday? I don't think so. While if taken at even half the frequency as drinking I'm sure it will have some nasty effects, I don't think that people will 'keep the magic' long enough or be able to deal with the anxiety, depression, etc. that comes from hardcore ecstasy use to keep on doing it at a rate that they started out at. It seems the only negative side effects that people complain about are memory problems, depression, anxiety, etc which all go away over time. If people were developing cancer from too much ecstasy use it would be a different story.
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Yeah I know they are different drugs, my point being that just because someone may seem relatively fine after drinking every weekend for 10 years...they still might be far from healthy...with a big issue slowly developing...the same holds true for many substances...

and bear love...yeah it may have been invented 100 years ago or whenever...but come-on..we all know that it didn't really have a large following (at least something to base harmful effects from) until at least the 80's..

You mentioned that we have already seen the long term affects of MDMA, what would you suggest these are?
 
chitown rollin said:
IMO people that take MDMA responsibly will not have any brain damage. If you take MDMA irresponsibly for a long period of time I'm sure you will feel some after effects. I took good pills every weekend for a few months a couple of years ago and definitely felt some effects but they wore off after a period of time. I do not feel that MDMA has a neurotoxic effect unless HEAVILY abused. I only rolled every weekend for about three months but if you did it every weekend for a year I could imagine some brain damage occuring. At the same time I don't think anyone would believe the effects outweigh the benefits enough to take it every weekend for a complete year, and if anyone did I really don't know what they thought the point of it was. After a few months the high from ecstasy severely decreases from what it was when you first started popping and I really don't think anyone would enjoy enduring the side effects for that long. I have taken enough ecstasy to realize that it is not that bad of a drug, especially when used responsibly. I honestly believe if you took molly/MDMA once a month for the rest of your life it wouldn't effect you in a completely negative way. Maybe I am wrong but at the same time I've never been able to have control over it enough to take it this infrequently. I have rolled close to 1000 times and do not feel any adverse effects from the drug.
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Very good post. This guy knows what hes talking about, mdma is all about responsible use. Using it no more than once a month will have barely any negative effects on you. I personally think every 2 months is perfect but even once a month wont be that bad considering some ppl do it every weekend for a long period of time and are still able to function properly.
 
I had an argument on here with a guy that claimed MDMA fucked him up. He claims that weed is a great and pure thing and the only thing that keeps him going.

He claims the MDMA he quit years ago gives him anxiety and makes him less intelligent and focused. Of course that is exactly what weed does to you if you smoke it chronically.

Some of these people have short term or long term reaction from MDMA. Some can have it after a few doses, some after heavy abuse. It does affect the brain chemistry somewhat so there is that risk.

Most blame MDMA because they associate the hangover with their long term problems. Most are from other drugs, sleep deprivation, repeated dehydration or even alcohol abuse. Honestly, most of the people that think MDMA fucked them up are projecting, they are told it will and they believe it and the hangover gives them the justification they need.

Alcohol is more neurotoxic than MDMA. Neurotoxicity in MDMA hasn't been proven in humans and has only been proven in lab rats with huge doses for their body size. 700 MG MDMA in a 500 gram rat...

Even if it is mildly neurotixic at low doses, vitamin C seems to control that.
 
Ski-bum said:
Some of these people have short term or long term reaction from MDMA. Some can have it after a few doses, some after heavy abuse. It does affect the brain chemistry somewhat so there is that risk.
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if you over indulge in anything you will see/feel bodily consequences.

too much MDMA and you will get headache, nausea, and bodily aching- to start with; then you will get depression, anxiety, panic-like symptoms. de-realization.

its pretty much a hard mind fuck after the physical stuff.

it might happen after just a few uses or after many. but one thing is certain, if you over indulge in MDMA, you will experience consequences.

i know tons of people who associate these problems with other stuff because they refuse to admit that the drug that makes them feel so amazing is the thing causing these problems.
 
People are inclined to feel that anything which has a very powerful psychoactive effect just MUST be damaging or neurotoxic. This couldnt be more false... based on stigma and projection as others have mentioned.
Take nootropics (piracetam or whatever its called), 5htp after the roll and a few days following, vit C and multivitamin (also b-6 increases 5htp bioavail), and keep it special (occasions) and you will be fine. I used to project all sorts of "damage" that did not exist when I was much younger - over 10 years later, I now realize that I was only creating symptoms as a result of buying into social stigma and other fallacies.
Don't judge based on my misspellings and quick, sloppy writing style on the "quick reply"... but after 12+ years of mdma and other psychedelic use, I honestly stand a good bit above the average cognitive ability among people I know. This is very well-known and accepted among those I associate with (although I always deny it ;). Most of these people do not or have not ever experimented with mdma or other psychedelics. I know this proves nothing, but thought the info may be useful.
Hard to say whether or not these experiences have directly given me a cognitive "edge" as a result of experiencing life from a multitude of perspectives (since I have no way of knowing how I would have turned out otherwise)... but I strongly believe that is likely the case.
 
ive always found like with most things in life.

enjoy yourself in moderation. to much of a good thing isnt always better.
 
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