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Bupe will a small amount of bupe precipitate wd?

No worries man. Haha, I didn't think that's what you were aiming for, but I felt like my post was maybey a bit peppy sounding, hence the apology.

And yeah, magnets work good, as do car pedals.
 
Thanks Znegative! I don't mean to take away from OP here but as a follow-up, I've been using straight bupe (subutex) daily for a month at least. Switched from Suboxone. I get the same effect, which is the effect I desire. However if I use my .4 of subutex and then use dope I can feel the effects of the dope (I use dope like 1x/month). When I was on the suboxone (and I took it for pain before, not prescribed by a dr but for a back prob) it was originally explained to me that I would have to wait like 6-8 hrs before using a percocet for the pain in order to feel the effects. And now while I'm using it as a substitute for dope my understanding (and experience) is I don't have to 'wait' to use dope if I desire to do so.

Was/is my understanding of the suboxone, the needing to wait a period of hours to feel effects of dope, correct? I only use the suboxone and subutex sublingually. Dope I snort but have IV'ed it in the past before being introduced to suboxone (and rarely IV it now b/c of an experience where I fell out and it scared me) so my not IV'ing has nothing to do with suboxone/subutex use personally although I'm interested in better understanding in general.

Is it that with my .4 of subutex I open the door a little and then if I add dope/oxy the door opens more and I get the high vs just feeling normal? That seems to be the way I understand it, based on your explaining, what I have experienced. Is this accurate?
 
Well, .4mg (not 4mg I assume?), is not a blocking dosage. The bupe has not attached to all your receptors, and the blood levels of the subutex rise and drop more dramatically each time you dose, so afghans why you feel the heroin.

On 1mg (of suboxone) day I can shoot one bag of alright smack and get high 100%, just a few hours after my sublingual dose.
 
Znegative said:
the bupe has not nearly attached to all your receptors
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How much suboxone were you taking? I am going to assume it was a lot more than 0.4mg of bupe, as most seem to take 4-16mg of suboxone/bupe. That little amount of bupe that you currently take (0.4mg) provides much more of an opportunity for other opioids to affect you than say, at the dosage of 16mg of bupe by which point it will have attached to near 100% of your opioid receptors.

...but I'll have to let Zn3g explain his own analogy.
 
toothpastedog said:
How much suboxone were you taking? I am going to assume it was a lot more than 0.4mg of bupe, as most seem to take 4-16mg of suboxone/bupe. That little amount of bupe that you currently take (0.4mg) provides much more of an opportunity for other opioids to affect you.

...but I'll have to let Zn3g explain his own analogy.
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Haha, almost best me to it ;).

But your right TPD, it's at dosages above 2mg that suboxone seems to start blocking, and of course this depends on what opioid you're using too.
 
It's okay, I still love you Zn3g ;) I've found when I was new to suboxone even less than 2mg would block other stuff for me: e.g. I was taking about 1mg a day for five days, and I was not able to use hydrocodone or oxycodone efficiently for another five days after stopping taking suboxobe.

So yea, what he said, plus factoring in general/specific tolerance
 
Tiny amounts will precipitate WD. When my toleracnce wasn't as fcked as it is now I'd take minuscule lines of sub and the pwd's were still fucking awful. Dont even consider it till ur either near unbearably sick or MiNIMUM 18 hrs in. Even with oc which has a shorter half-life than h. I've gotten pwd 36 hours in so ur never completely sure but yea the 24 hr rule exists for a reason
 
Please believe this
The longer you wait (even if its not your first bupe' dose,) the more you will feel ALL of the benefits.
It is a great med' in the right hands even at high doses (only in the beginning) Tapered down to small doses
Generic Buprenorphine can potentually be a wonder drug for pain patients with a small pain med' tolerance.
 
Absolutely. The benefits of buprenorphine are incredible. I ended up being good at 18 hours. I took 4mg and went from feeling off to feeling completely normal, as if WD became some fantasy construct. It all just vanished. Talk about mental peace of mind when you're going from "Oh fuck, I ran out of shit" to "No worries, for I have Suboxone!!"

This is certainly a wonder drug. And I got a very pleasant opiate buzz on my 4mg dose the other day also. I'd say it was about 60% of the potency/euphoria of an equivalent Oxy dose for me. I'll take it.

I should add this is one of the first times I've been able to experience any recreational effects from buprenorphine. It was definitely a "thebaine" type high, speedy and partially euphoric. Since Oxy is my DOC I'll take it.
 
^I recomend lowering your dosage to keep getting that euphoric buzz. Try 2mg, you'll probably be very happy with the results-but in the end stick with what's comfortable for you.
 
^Yup, I'd much prefer the effects of 4mg 2x/day as opposed to 8mg 2x/day, although this is a somewhat more extreme example same principle
 
What's interesting is I never used to feel any euphoric effects from taking Suboxone, not when I was on 24mg, not 16, 8, etc..but recently as I've been tapering down to finally get off of this shit, I'll take like 2mg in the morning and feel..pretty good hah. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not as if I'd just fixed three bags of good dope or anything, but there is a definite head change and warmth. Within a month, I'll be over having to shove that orange ass hole flavored strip under my tongue anyway so..until then, I'll enjoy the slight glee that arises from these low doses.
 
Yeah, subutex is a wonder drug for me. Don't know if I'll taper lower than 4mg or not but for now I feel normal and 'good', wake up and look forward to the day, look forward to going to work, feel good at work, feel good at home after work, etc, etc. No zoned out 'high' or nod but at the beginning, and middle, and end of the day I'm feeling good to be me and good to be alive. Wish the first psychiatrist I saw just prescribed me this shit. I started off on zoloft before even even trying dope before. Rolled with various anti-d's, etc, did a stint with a massive coke habit, dabbled with h, binged on dope off and on in large quantities for short periods of time (like a few days to a week or so)... that was all after I 'got sober' from booze.

15 yrs later and am finding that 4mg of subutex and small dose of a benzo and I'm finally feeling normal and good and feel like I think that 'normal' people who are functional and happy in life feel. Friggin amazing for me.

I'm no angel and still dabble with dope but see that as basically a mistake now. I'm better off on just the subutex and small dose of kpin.

Thanks to all the support and info from all the mods and members here! I feel like I now see, and am moving toward 'the light at the end of the tunnel' and have the capacity to live the life I was meant to live. To be happy and content. May the rest of you find peace and contentment in whatever way works for you. Don't give up if your struggling, my life has been shit since my earliest memories from the age of 2. Now I'm content and positive and productive and look forward to and am actually starting to enjoy life for the first time EVER. And I"m in my friggin mid 40's. Never thought it would be possible for me. Hell, might turn to shit tomorrow and stay that way. But for the past month my life has changed for the better in so many ways I can't even begin to describe. Still have ups and downs but I can't put into words how great it is to feel like I think 'normal' people feel. People who didn't get fucked over as kids and get their mind fucked over and didnt wind up feeling like a piece of shit with no hope (periods of doing OK were in there here and there) but nothing like this!

Just can't put it into words. Thank you all so much for everything. I just can't even begin to decribe the postive changes I've experienced over the past month or so. Think subutex around 4mg is the major factor for me. And the longest I was ever addicted to an opiate was less than 2 weeks without cold kicking, mostly 'chipped' for the past 2 yrs and have been using 'illegal' drugs off and on for 30 years. Never tried dope till 10 yrs ago, chipped for a yr then massive coke habit for a cpl yrs after weekend use for a cpl yrs before that. So I'm not coming from a steady opiate habit (don't know if that matters and am not tring to give the impression that I think Im better than anyone who has or has had one, just stating my personal history/use of it and other stuff).

But it seems like it is and was the missing link my brain needed to make me feel normal. Sorry to detract from the OP's questions in this thread. It's just reading or hearing or thinking about bupe for me makes me want to scream YES! I love it! It's helping me SOOO MUCH!!!!

Peace,
Titus
 
i did a small line of heroin at 9am, and took 1.5mg of suboxone at 5pm...i was fine
 
Yea, I used to be able to get away with taking suboxone within six hours of doing dope, at my worst I mean. Not recommended, but with some you don't have to wait 24 let alone 12 hours.
 
In my opinion its better to start with a small dose like 1 or 2 mgs of sub as the first dose for example ive been shooting dope for past 4 months doing bout a half gram to a gram a day i just got some subutex i waited 14 hrs from last dose of H and took 2mgs of subutex and i feel fine but i have experienced precip withdrawal but it was with suboxone some people say subutex will do it also but ive never had a problem with it. Just my thoughts
 
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