will 60-80 ugs LSD be enough for a first time trip?

[hexagram]

getting two hoffman tabs which are apparently dosed around 120-150ugs, we're gonna divide the tabs between three people, should work out at 60-80ugs LSD. Will this be enough to get a full experience? I recently tripped on 40mgs aMT and had a pretty good psychedelic experience, is there any cross tolerance?

How will that amount compare to the 40mgs amt? on that I got full visuals, some time dilation, mild ego dissolution, moments that felt almost out of body (one moment in particular when I was at the peak, I was looking up at the stars while listening to music and I lost myself in both. it's kind of hard to explain, there were visuals (divine faces and brilliant colours in the night sky) but it was more a mental thing which is hard to explain, it was only a six minute song but it felt like an eternity, I heard the music in detailed flowing layers, everything was so beautiful it was almost unbearable.

I was pushing for those sorts of moments throughout the whole experience, I wanted to loose myself in the psychedelic void so to speak, but there were only a few moments like that, everything else I felt fairly in control of myself. I also had interesting thought patterns, lots of self analysis, but everything was positive, in fact I was way more positive about myself on it than I am sober.

People have told me LSD will provide the things I liked about amt but stronger, will 6-80ugs be enough to get those effects?

 

[Livinginthealps]

Yes 60-80 ug should be alright for the first experience but, it probably will be underwhelming and you will wish you took at least 100-120 ug. I find that 120 will give you a great idea of what an LSD experience is like. 60 ug will be no where near what you described from amt. 120 will get you closer.

 

[Solipsis]

It should be absolutely fine for a first trip IMO, enough to get a good feel for it - if you have a good mindset plenty of grins and euphoria and a sense of wonder... but it shouldn't be messed up and chaotic like on high doses.

The real 'problem' is though that unless you were able to submit a sample to a lab (you can do that for free in my country), the estimates of micrograms are almost universally overstated by I'd say maybe 30-50% or more. So if you only got a rumored potency of 60-80 then after correction it's probably a bit weaksauce.

Don't go overcompensating though...

 

[Livinginthealps]

It should be absolutely fine for a first trip IMO, enough to get a good feel for it - if you have a good mindset plenty of grins and euphoria and a sense of wonder... but it shouldn't be messed up and chaotic like on high doses.

The real 'problem' is though that unless you were able to submit a sample to a lab (you can do that for free in my country), the estimates of micrograms are almost universally overstated by I'd say maybe 30-50% or more. So if you only got a rumored potency of 60-80 then after correction it's probably a bit weaksauce.

Don't go overcompensating though...

yes it is fine for a first introduction to LSD. But, if the user is looking for similar but more pronounced effects as he described from his AMT trip then that dosage will be a big let down. I agree that dosages should be taken with a grain of salt and should be expected to be lower. Although, it appears from the tabs he is mentioning it's probably from the darkweb. From my understanding they are pretty on top of it and generally are tested first. Though, I can't say for sure since I don't mess with that.

Either way OP have a good trip.

 

[Anon610]

Depends on the person. Everyone is different. I remember the first time I did LSD I felt nothing at 150µg. Now for a good trip I take about 300µg.
That's just me and I advise not starting with that dose. And make sure what you have is real LSD. Lots of test reagents out there. I usually get all my LSD tested at a lab that my friend owns.

Start low, 100µg is a good dose for most people, so 60-80 should have you feeling something. Remember you can always take more if you want. But you can't take less. Have fun, and respect the beautiful substance we know as LSD.

 

[hexagram]

but because I had a such a strong psychedelic reaction to amt, which isn't meant to be anywhere near as psychedelic as LSD, maybe 60-80ugs of acid will make me trip total balls? maybe I'm just sensetive to psychedlics?

although actually, a few people have told me it's not unheard of for people to trip have lsd level trips on amt, they said it's a drug which affects different people quite differently.

 

[Anon610]

but because I had a such a strong psychedelic reaction to amt, which isn't meant to be anywhere near as psychedelic as LSD, maybe 60-80ugs of acid will make me trip total balls? maybe I'm just sensetive to psychedlics?

although actually, a few people have told me it's not unheard of for people to trip have lsd level trips on amt, they said it's a drug which affects different people quite differently.

Its not unheard of, everyone reacts differently to these chemicals. Start low, and work your way up. Good luck and have fun man. LSD is a wonderful thing. Can't even compare it to AMT.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

It should be absolutely fine for a first trip IMO, enough to get a good feel for it - if you have a good mindset plenty of grins and euphoria and a sense of wonder... but it shouldn't be messed up and chaotic like on high doses.

The real 'problem' is though that unless you were able to submit a sample to a lab (you can do that for free in my country), the estimates of micrograms are almost universally overstated by I'd say maybe 30-50% or more. So if you only got a rumored potency of 60-80 then after correction it's probably a bit weaksauce.

Don't go overcompensating though...

I found this on erowid http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_blotter_microgram_1987.pdf can someone tell me why the ug/mics of blotter are very low despite being from the 70s and 80s? Or did most of the L get destroyed during testing?

 

[my3rdeye]

I found this on erowid http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_blotter_microgram_1987.pdf can someone tell me why the ug/mics of blotter are very low despite being from the 70s and 80s? Or did most of the L get destroyed during testing?

No those numbers look right. Some hits were decent and some were called "disco" designed for clubs. Acid today doesnt seem any weaker to me than it did in the late 80s, and even back then you did sometimes get weak acid that you needed 3 or 4 for the effect you got from one good hit of a different kind. Weak acid has always been around.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

No those numbers look right. Some hits were decent and some were called "disco" designed for clubs. Acid today doesnt seem any weaker to me than it did in the late 80s, and even back then you did sometimes get weak acid that you needed 3 or 4 for the effect you got from one good hit of a different kind. Weak acid has always been around.

OK thanks for explaining it better. I have acquaintances who would take L at discos or concerts in the 70s and 80s and they said they would just take half or a quarter of a tab, or they'd split a microdot with someone. I know that back then people thought the microdots of L were really "mescaline" but it was just low dose LSD.

When I was into LSD I preferred very high doses of at least 350ug or even 500ug. I have taken low/moderate doses but that was less than a very high dose and I did it intentionally since I wanted to see what a low or moderate dose was like.

 

[my3rdeye]

they'd split a microdot with someone. I know that back then people thought the microdots of L were really "mescaline" but it was just low dose LSD.

I would put the yellow microdots circa 1990 up against most LSD around today. You can never say any one form is good or another bad, it depends on how potent it was made.

 

[caravela]

I actually have the same question. Got some dolphin ying yangs and the are tested about 100 mics good quality LSD. After reading this topic i think i take just one. Still a bit scared but psilocin is my friend. If i would take a half to see i lsd is my friend too then after how long i would take the other half? One hour or so?

 

[hexagram]

looks like my mates bailed cause of his controlling girlfriend who doesn't want him doing drugs, I might just do some by myself, been looking forward to acid for a while now.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

yes 75 mcs is a good first dose.

 

[PsychonautRyan]

If you're conservative on first-time dosage, looking for a mild trip, or you just want to err on the side of caution, that's a good dose. Assuming that it's accurately dosed, you'll probably notice brighter colors, some breathing and rippling of surfaces, and music sounds more intense. However, if you're going for an overwhelming, immersive experience, you'll probably have to double that dosage.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

i will write more now.

My first time i expected a thematic, cartoonish, round, enveloping journey, because of film, having used mushrooms, and like woooaaahh brahhh did u hear about so and sooooo stories.

I find LSD very analytical and precise. I think variability with dosages and such is massively exaggerated. Primarily not so because of how well studied and researched it is, so if your in a safe place and have some good info and measure it, you'll get what you expect.

So. Take less than the intensity you want have a bad trip, take more, also have a bad trip.

Since 100 mics was the standard for CIA experiments, it seems like a good control group. This makes sense too if referencing Monterey Pop Festival. The standard Oswely dose was 250 mics. Dosed specifically for the demographic of a wide spread middle class pop environment. which would make 2, 500 mics, an easily measured immersive psychedelic dose. Just the same as, cutting 1 in half would put you at the control dose of 100 mics, with 25 mics buffer zone on either end if torn or cut unevenly on the go.

So this is why i say 75 would be a good first time. If 100 is a control that most people regardless of mental illness can handle and come back from, then 25 below would make certain to avoid negative effects while still being sure to have effects. The end.

 

[Solipsis]

Heheh, please identify with the population rather than with an intelligence agency purported to perform experiments on that population, before you depart have a sense of reality for love's sake... and bestow some trust upon science rather than some volatile forbidden - if tempting - data.