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why paying for movies/games/audios?

I'm not exactly sure of the legalities. They may be completely legal (gasp!), semi-legal (gasp! more warped logic!?), or down-right illegal, but here's what's important to me:

I don't feel immoral for listening to them. It's because of bootlegs that I have 10 x my favorite band's discogrophy - many songs of whom aren't on the official records (which I paid for).
 
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SillyAlien said:
As well, you should revisit the actual definition of bootleg.

BBL
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Actual definition? It depends on who you ask. Language isn't an exact science, especially with terms like 'bootleg'.
 
I can live with that but i need money
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me too.

can you live with giving me all your money? i'm still waiting... oh well, i guess since money is so hard to come by i'll just hack into your bank account and steal it electronically.

i can live with that!

and remember - when you have no money...

elektra said:
sorry but these are not my problems
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:)
 
for me it's a quality of life issue. i am poor. i can just barely afford rent, and food, and drink, and transportion costs, and internet connnection, and of course my daily mandatory marijuana habit. i no longer have the luxury of spending thousnads of dollars on CDs and DVD's and movies and cable tv. if it wasn't for my computer, i would still be watching the same fucking reruns of the simpsoms and that 70's show for the rest of my life and listening to the same "hit" songs being played over and over and over and over and the same shows and the same news on every channel which isn't even accurate but a distortion of the truth. it's idiocy. traditonal broadcast medium has sunk beyond the level of the lowest common denominator and has become a bog of coporate money interest, sometimes with polical agendas (example: rupert murdock) that treatens to stupify and control thoughts and opinions, eventually blending evrything we see and know into something which is easily controlable for financial and political motive. this has already happened. the internet is virtually the only place where i am free of this sort of domination of my free thoughts and free will. and those that control thoughts and opinions control politics which in turn controls your choices and thereby your actions.the corruption of the media in the united states, i believe, is the single most important and influenial factor in the world today b/c it seems to determine everything else. so it is essential that we actively confront this, change our consumer habits, and stop letting these corporations stuff whatever sort of nosense they plez into our heads. file sharing is nothing more then the free exchange of DATA made possible by technology. those who control DATA (information) control power.
 
anhalonium9 said:
file sharing is nothing more then the free exchange of DATA made possible by technology. those who control DATA (information) control power.
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I agree with most of what you said, but this doesn't really hold up. For instance, I could obtain a naked picture of you and host it on my free website. The fact that something is in digital form deosn't change what it is.
 
and if you were to obtain this picture and post it, would have to live with that b/c that is the world we live in. first i would have to ask myself how do you obtain that picture. why did i let such a private picture get out of my control. why did i take the picture in the first. did i have some part in it. why am i ashamed of my own body in the first place. you have to ask these questions.

but, if what you said did happen, well, i would have to live withb/c i realize that i really cannot control another persons actions. the seemingly simple question you ask is actually very complex if you pursue it instead of trying to draw a simple conclusion and ending the aurgement.

the appearance:
simple question = simple answer

the true reality:
complex question = complex answer
 
also, the act you decribe is a perfect example of how information/data is used as a means of power. additionally, i still maintain that file sharing is just the free exchange of data/information in a technologically advanced society. the reason why most ppl don't understand this is b/c, just that. we are not free as a global society. power and information and money is horded by those who seek even more power, information and money, there by cuttting us off from any realization of our inherent right to be free and exersize our free will responsibly. there is no expectation of true freedom. we are taught that this is the only way and any other way would lead to the destruction of everything we know and hold dear. this is a myth propagated by those who do not want to lose thier control on the power and the money and the information.

the us government has compiled the largest database in the world which consists of every phone call made within the united states or out of it, who you called, and when you called them. every single call made by everysingle citizen is logged. we are told this is for security. that is a lie. the really reason is power.
 
elektra said:
buying movies/games or audio CDs seems very bullshit to me. i dont understand why people pay for these kinda entertainment instead download it from emule or something?

what do you think?
(dont tell me its against the law to download copyright material lol:))
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because someone (usually a collaboration of many someones) went to a lot of effort to produce them
 
^^^
So we can assume you legally own all movies, music, and programs on your computer then I see. =p Yeah, right.
 
Most people seem to understand that stealing is wrong. Even people who find it acceptable to actually steal know that they would not want to be stolen from.

Movies, music, and software are viewed quite differently than other physical objects that can be stolen. I have personally encountered many people who do not think that they are even stealing. They believe that music isn't even physically there on your hard disk or on a compact disc. 8(

So, I think that a large part of the problem here is that many people either refuse to recognize or simply don't understand that stealing data no matter what medium it is being stored or transmitted on, is in fact stealing something that actual exists.

The ease of downloading pirated material is so overwhelmingly non-personal that people also don't ever get a true idea of who they are actually stealing from.

People also tend to think that because data can be copied no harm is actually being done to whoever created it. Unfortunately, the majority of music isn't actually sold to consumers. It is licensed. If you do not actually own the music you are not legally able to determine what happens to that music. If you make a copy of data and you never actually owned the data in the first place than you have created an illegal copy which does in fact have a value assigned to it by the people who not only own the original copy but also the illegal copy.

I rarely steal anything from anyone. This is because I wouldn't want to be stolen from. I might steal things occasionally, but at least I recognize that it is wrong.
 
anhalonium9 said:
we are told this is for security. that is a lie. the really reason is power.
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Not disagreeing with what you are saying here, but....

How would any government provide security without power?

Of course the purpose of government is to govern people, this inherently involves the acquisition and manipulation of power.
 
there is nothing wrong with power used responsiblly for the benefit of all. evryone has somesort of power over over things that are weaker than themselves. however, power tends to corrupt (the old truism) and as i see things in the united states, the government has not only become corrupt, but openly criminal.
 
The truth is that it ISN'T stealing anything. Nothing physical ever goes anywhere, simply, a copy is made and the original is still left. I buy CDs in the store that I like, I download other stuff that I either can't afford or wouldn't buy in the first place. I do not consider it 'stealing' at all. Is listening to internet radio 'stealing' ? Its still downloaded music, you have no copyright, you CAN record it. If i'm not going to purchase this product anyways, how is it a 'lost sale' ? For instance pretty much everyone I know who isn't a professional graphic designer has pirated adobe photoshop - would they PAY $700 for some software to make their small websites and edit a few family photos ? Hell no. No lost sales.
 
Any Hollywood movie I couldn't really give a shit about.

Movies I really love I'll buy though.

And as far as music goes I only download b-sides or bootlegs I can't get otherwise. It's important to support the artists that improve your life.

I actively encourage everyone to download and distribute for free any MTV pop bullshit however.

I'll generally buy games.
 
elektra said:
buying movies/games or audio CDs seems very bullshit to me. i dont understand why people pay for these kinda entertainment instead download it from emule or something?

what do you think?
(dont tell me its against the law to download copyright material lol:))
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I tend to agree.

I could either walk 30 min to the mall, pay $20 of my hard earned money to a bloated record lable, and walk back just to listne to that one song good on the whole damn CD, OR I can open limewire and have that same song in better quality, in a more useful format, and not have to load the CD ever for a total of 1 min of my life and zero dollars.

Not the mention the fact that most of the bands I listne to are either dead or retired and have enough damn money already, and the fact that music today blows more ass then any other time period in the history of man. (I swear there is a band assembly line somewhere in the heart if Utah pumping out song after song of the same whiney bullshit you see on MTV every second of every day.)
 
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