Harm Reduction Why IV cocaine is not worth it...

[BlueHues]

Ha Ha...yeah8)

 

[tricomb]

Tricomb...wow. You just described exactly what I was living prior to June of this year. Been off IV coke n dope for almost 2 months now. But I swear, I'm bookmarking this thread.

Because the next time I get the not-so-genius idea to shoot coke n feel that rush again, I'm going to re-read your post. That's all the stuff my brain so conveniently forgets when I crave a shot. Thanks for the reality check

I'm touched, not proud at all of what I've done but I've never had anyone respond to a post of mine like that, because really that's the message I want to send to all BLers, and I really hope that by sharing some extremely personal and shameful parts of my addiction, that it might help prevent or save someone from ever trying the IV ROA, or any drug that they have not researched extensively and if they feel fine with all of the risks that come along with whichever drug(s) of choice they have, then they can live with the possibly life threatening ramifications that come along with abusing that drug/drug combo.

The IV meth + heroin combo is truly something that I refuse to speak about in any positive light in light of the feeling it induces, because this combo has repeatedly destroyed the minds, bodies, souls, lives, freedoms, rights, etc, of too many people that I know or was/am friends with. It's horrible, two extremely fat soluble drugs crossing the BBB nearly instantly, it is a recipe for DISASTER. No matter how you may feel at first, it inevitably will take you for the worst ride of your life, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. Fuck shooting up. I am very glad this thread exists and wish that more BLers could quit shooting up. I know y'all can do it if you really want to.

 

[emjay]

I certainly won't dispute IV cocaine's toxicity and potential for addiction, but it is possible to IV it once and not re-dose. I've done it maybe a handful of times over a few years without any desire to do another shot the same day. All the times I did it I was with at least one other person who also IVed with me. They also did just the one shot and 10 years later none of them have developed a cocaine addiction. Maybe that's because they were special occasions and social use; I'd imagine sitting at home or wherever IVing by yourself is far more likely to lead to addiction. If you can't quit outright, perhaps consider having someone hold your equipment and stash for you, to prevent yourself from bingeing.

You're not from North America, so it may be a matter of location. These days, coke is almost inevitably cut with other, harsher-feeling stims here in the US and Canada. I won't even touch it anymore here at home. But every time I've tried it in Central and South America, it's a totally different experience. For one, it's stimulating but also somehow relaxing, and reminds me more of MDMA than speed. Perhaps most notably, it never seems to have the more-ish quality it has here at home.

Down there, I can do it once and be entirely content; back at home, I inevitably end up carpet surfing searching for every last grain of powder, because I can't really control the compulsion of binging on it until my entire supply of it is completely gone... I'm literally unable to just keep some of it for another day. Between all that and the high degree of anxiogenesis it has compared to the much more "pure" stuff, seeing the stark difference between cocaine here and from the source has left me with absolutely no desire to ever touch the stuff again up here at home. And I haven't for the better part of a decade.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Any of you guys ever go into convulsions from IV coke? I believe some people refer to it as 'fishing out'(you flop around like a fish outta water for 5-10mins)

You think it is something besides coke (cut, additive) that causes this?

Sometimes just the thought of cocaine makes me throw up..

Yeah, it's called overdosing. Hah. It's from banging way too much coke.

 

[BlueHues]

If that happens to you and you live, you're lucky! That's not one of those things that just happens to people every now and again!

Also, "fishing out" is usually in reference to something like that happening as a result of Nitrous....but in any case, it's should actually be called "having a seizure"....It's never happened to me, but I've felt myself coming very close on a few occasions....

 

[Lightning-Nl]

The thing about Cocaine is that it's SO damaging to the body.

Cocaine is special. It has extremely high hydrophilic and lipophilic efficiency. Something like this (due to chemistry) should not be possible. Therefore, Cocaine violates the rule of hydrophilic-lipophilic balance. This allows Cocaine to cross the blood-brain barrier far better than any other psychotropic drug.

However, this promotes cell death, and it's believed that it may actually CAUSE cell death. It's also been observed that Cocaine will cause the blood-brain barrier to break down. This is incredibly dangerous as certain amino acids (proteins) that are required for other parts of the human body, cause destruction to brain cells and neurons.

Cocaine is also currently classified as a Class 2B carcinogen (A substance that may be cancerous). Two studies have observed that Cocaine can be converted by metabolic processes into an active carcinogen, that's possibly mutagenic.

Cocaine's sodium channel blocking effects are also very detrimental to the body. Sodium is required for certain process to work. One of the things I can think of (off the top of my head) is that nerves use positively charged sodium cations to send the brain and CNS signals. Sodium is also used in the firing of neurons. Blocking sodium causes immense problems when being blocked in the CNS. Your body would literally be unable to send nerve impulses to any part of the body. This (if enough of a sodium blocker is taken) could easily stop your heart, stop your breathing, etc...

 

[Cornishman]

Any of you guys ever go into convulsions from IV coke? I believe some people refer to it as 'fishing out'(you flop around like a fish outta water for 5-10mins)

You think it is something besides coke (cut, additive) that causes this?

Sometimes just the thought of cocaine makes me throw up..

Like Mr Scagnattie said, it's from OD'ing.

As well as flipping out on the floor you also can't see straight.

 

[StartedHydro]

I am one for legalizing drugs and having them regulated. Special rules on how they are stored and marketed, but cocaine is just hellish. I hated it until I IVed it and got that bellringer euphoria, most amazing. It wears off in minutes and finding yourself constantly IVing more and more and you can't stop. The come down is awful. It can't ruin lives. IV coke is just plain bad IMO. Way way to short acting. If the high lasted hours with no real need to constantly redoes, maybe. IV coke is horrid.

 

[Cornishman]

^^ Woah, go easy. That's cocaine psychosis

I had the same thing happen to me.

Aside from seeing people in my living quarters who I thought were trying to rob & attack me. I also had a 'fight' with some imaginary police officers. Leading me to flush my stash.

 

[PortalFloyd]

Anyone get to that point with IV coke where your ears start ringing? I heard that had something to do with OD or being able to hear your heart beating, not sure exactly. I always hated the come down too, even thinking of coke now just makes me nauseous. Honestly I can say I'll never do coke again, I'm way too fond of downers.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Anyone get to that point with IV coke where your ears start ringing? I heard that had something to do with OD or being able to hear your heart beating, not sure exactly. I always hated the come down too, even thinking of coke now just makes me nauseous. Honestly I can say I'll never do coke again, I'm way too fond of downers.

The ear ringing is normal. As a matter of fact, for most IV coke users (me included) we're bummed out we didn't do enough if we don't get that ringing. That's why it's called a "bellringer".

There is a fine line between a good ringer and OD though.