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Why it's better to redose acid

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I've only done this once, on my most recent trip. But now that I have, I see no reason to ever take LSD in a single dose again. Here are my observations, from taking the second tab about an hour after the first.

1. Significant reduction in come-up anxiety. I had time to settle in to the subtler effects of the first hit before the second took effect. My mind was already in LSD-mode, there was no sudden transition.

2. On a similar note, it took two hours to come up, which was more reminiscent of the friendlier, gentler intro to a mescaline trip, though not as full of tedium as you wait for something to happen. A perfect balance between the two.

3. The trip had the POWER of the two tabs, but not the INTENSITY. My mind was expanded to the four corners of reality, yet from the beginning, I felt comfortably grounded. Again, more like mescaline.

4. The peak lasted about five hours, instead of two. A personal frustration I have with acid is that it peters off too quickly.

5. Taking a smaller amount first gives you time to gauge how comfortable you are with the effects, and how much more you could or should comfortably take. Set, setting and expectation have as big an influence on the power of a trip as the dose you took, so by starting with a lighter dose, you get an idea of how sensitive you are to LSD on this particular day.

Results will of course vary from person to person. For instance, everyone else seems to peak on acid for four or five hours anyway; I don't. Some people say you shouldn't redose on mushrooms, because it takes the trip into dark territory, and perhaps that'll be the case for you on LSD as well. Personally, I can't imagine it doing that for me. Redosing all the way.
 
Yes for sure. My housemate / best friend and I are actually both great fans of dropping a heavy redose relatively quite late (ending part of the plateau) because like you say then there is a lot of power. But not the chaos (I guess I can understand 'intensity'), there is not the same problem of having a hard time getting some traction like when you start off heavy.

I think all of this can be explained by the complex action of LSD: if you redose late instead of starting very high, there is already partial tolerance setting in to cushion some of the more edgy psychedelia (this might be the 5-HT2A part, not sure). However my theory is that not all the other affected receptors are maxed out by tolerance and dose so easily so the redose will do most for the part of the action less sensitive to immediate tolerance.
Also I believe this same theory to be an explanation for why there is no clear answer to the question if LSD action maxes out (saturation effect) or not. There is a lot of controversy there that could be explained if part of the pharmacological action is saturated while another part is not.

These would be reasons why LSD behaves in certain special ways where other, selective, psychedelics do not show this 'partial saturation' or the elegance of a staged trip... LSD's special pharmacology seems to be consistent with this theory. Virtually all other psychedelics are not favorable towards redosing like this ^.
I should point out that learning to deal with heavy redoses might take some practice and it might seem like it is ineffective if you only try it once and get it wrong. I should also point out not to attempt to succeed right the first time by doing a MASSIVE redose and assuming too much tolerance effect.

Being okay with and used to heavy LSD trips makes it much more practical to do things like this. If you are not flexible to take the heat of an unexpectedly strong trip, the margin of error coming from the fact that effective redosing depends on the timing.. it might prove to be unacceptable.

(By the way, another part of the explanation I offer is psychological: if you drop a heavy dose in one go there is a lot to adjust to. The steeper the peak is, the harder it is to adjust to anything. Being unable to adapt will 'pile up' the effect and results in consequences for the rest of the trip. Conversely if you drop reasonably and first get used to a 'new baseline', getting used to whatever a redose adds should come more naturally because you are already halfway in the rabbithole.
I must say though, it feels to me like there is different sensitization when redosing high late: the effect is just different and more integrated. Subjectively it does not seem like it can be explained psychologically, it 'feels' entirely different to me as well.)
 
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YMMV. I've tried redosing a couple of times, once low dose and once high, and I think it's a waste of good LSD.
 
Yeah i'd really rather just take a huge dose to begin with. I get the idea that taking a normal dose then a higher dose later is easier on you, but that's because you have tolerance happening. I often redose anyway, at the end of the first peak to make it stronger or increase duration but in doing this i often end up at 3x a regular dose by the end of it and it is wasteful as hell.

The only good part about it is that the come up is much easier when you are already tripping (likely tolerance). For me 4 hits of LSD done at once = much stronger trip than 2 hits done 6 hours apart. If you plan to do 2 hits then at the peak take 4 hits, then i'm there with you, that's how i like to redose, though it gets expensive.
 
Nice thread.

Solipsis said:
I think all of this can be explained by the complex action of LSD: [...]
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Really interesting hypothesis about the relationship between the complex physiological action of LSD and the quality of the redose.

I, and many others, feel the same way about MXE -- redosing doesn't only extend the duration or intensity of the trip, but it enhances the trip qualitatively as well. And, MXE is speculated to have complex pharmacology as well, with NMDA antagonism, dopamine reuptake inhibition, and opioid receptor agonism. Hmm... I think we may be on to something...


I'd love to try the LSD redose, but I don't feel like I can justify it for the expense. Really, it's criminal what dealers charge for LSD -- no chemical should cost nearly ten cents per microgram.
 
hmm, for precision sake, this is more about staggering the initial dose than about redosing.
a somewhat similar technique i use for the more difficult 2c-x for me (E for instance), though some dont find it that effective, and the total dose is not as intense as if it were taken at once, the body load at least in my case is reduced significantly enough to be worth the extra expense.

with lsd, ive only redosed after the peak (peak lasting from t+1h to ~t+3h) and while it provided extra length to the trip and a great long afterglow, i did not feel as if it had the same depth as if the entire dose were taken at once (though that was not the purpose of the redose anyway).

however, i agree with Solipsis in that such experiments should be carried out with caution and by trippers that could potentially handle the full final dose in one go anyway, as one is never sure about the personal brain pharma of the tripper. who knows, it might all hit at once....
 
I have redosed plenty of times. I didn't really notice much difference whether I was taking just a couple hits or over 100. Well, I mean of course I tripped a bit harder on the larger amounts, but I never really noticed a difference between taking what I was taking all together or staggering the doses.
 
The op was talking about redosing an hour after taking the first dose. Is tolerance already there at this stage?
 
Re dosing forty five minutes after initial dose will extend peak and trip length. Anything after that is a legitimate waste of LSD.
 
I almost always divide what im going to take and take the 2nd part about an hour in too. I find if i am not liking it i just dont redose, if i took it all at once and it sucks its going to suck twice as much. Its a nice way to ease into it.
 
When my friend gave me LSD one time, she made me cut it in two pieces, so I ate one then the other 30 or 45 minutes later. It was a really blissful trip, with no come-up anxiety as OP said. Not a visual as I hoped except at the peak but I was fine because it was really euphoric and put me in a nice headstate.
 
I usually take it all at once, but that's because I like the peak to be mind shattering ande go dissolving. I don't really experience anxiety on LSD at this point from having done heavy doses so many times in the past.

The times I've dosed again 1 hour in, I do notice it extends the trip. It does not however lead to a stronger peak for me. The peak will still be as strong as the first dose, and there will be a second "mini peak" a short time later from the second dose.

Ever notice how with LSD you're in and out of reality? One minute you're not you anymore, and the next minute you're back. For the sake of communication I'll call those "waves". If I dose twice then the second dose creates an additional wave that does not merge with the first, so I'll have two alternating "waves" that are operating independently of each other. Some people in this thread are saying that a second dose strengthens the first, whereas I find the second dose creates a second line on the chart if you were to graph the high. It's kind of like two separate pathways are made.
 
You might get away with it in the first hour but much longer than that and it's a waste of LSD. I remember taking about a thousand mics when I was coming down in the hope of getting back up to the peak (after taking 300mics for the first dose). I got absolutely no psychedelic effects whatsoever. Complete waste of acid.
 
That's an interesting way to look at it, Foreigner. I haven't redosed enough times to really comment. But I can say that the coming in and out of yourself / reality is something I experience, except I'm usually aware in the background of who I am and what's going on. Perhaps I haven't taken enough yet.
 
I don't think it even needs to be an hour. Splitting a nasal 25I-NBOMe dose into two halves, 20 minutes apart greatly reduces the dysphoria of the comeup.
 
Luckily I seem to be in the camp that doesn't experience much dysphoria or anxiety during LSD comeup. I wonder if that's uncommon?
 
CrystalClear77 said:
Re dosing forty five minutes after initial dose will extend peak and trip length. Anything after that is a legitimate waste of LSD.
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Well at college I started the day with 2 hits of red acid, and once I was into that and nearing the peak at about 2 hours, and very comfortable I came across and bought 6 hits of

yellow sunshine acid.

NOW..... I can tell you that DRASTICALLY changed the trip to the point where I could see and feel the new product overlaying and then taking over the existing product that was the red......

LOL


I recomend variety it does tend to change things LOL
 
It may have just been subconscious though. I mean you were already two hours into your trip. It may have drastically changed things because you believed it would drastically change things. Either way I'm glad a good time was had. :)
 
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