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Why isn't Ibogaine brought up more often ?

Have many deaths reported with Ibogaine were outside of opioid and other forms of addiction? I ask this here and not google and so forth due to the probability of misconception and so forth.

Not many. There are a couple dozen reported over the past 20 years in the west and most (if not all) are associated with using ibogaine as a RxMENT for addiction. In the other ibogaine thread here at BL, I list links to information surrounding these deaths.
 
I speak from nothing but personal experience but every single case of ibo treatment has ended in almost immediate relapse. IMO you don't work for it so its doesn't really lead to the personal growth it requires to quit using.

Never used it my self but know a hand full who have done the whole rigmarole.
 
Well from I what I read and see it seems like the best addiction cure if used correctly. It doesn't have to be pleasureable, it's a fucking medicine. Just listen to what Rick Doblin has to say about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSCbatwS24 by the way does anyone know the name of the song played at the begining of this video ?

Also listen to this - Aubrey Marcus the head of Onnit Labs ( best suplement company in the world imo ) tells his story of ibogaine experience. If such succesfull people talks about it in a such good way then it's something we should really work on as a race, as a society.
 
I speak from nothing but personal experience but every single case of ibo treatment has ended in almost immediate relapse. IMO you don't work for it so its doesn't really lead to the personal growth it requires to quit using.

Never used it my self but know a hand full who have done the whole rigmarole.

And I speak from experience as a massive heroin habitted junkie: if you don't want to quit, no amount of 12-stepping, therapy, methadone or suboxone maintenance, magic bullets, or ibogaine will 'cure' you if you don't want to quit.

I think that you explained a lot that you may not even be aware of yourself with the term 'rigmerole'. The connotation of that term is that of a lengthy and/or complex procedure for what one believes is not worth the effort. It implies going through the motions. So I would guess that your fiends may not have been well-suited to ibogaine because they were probably unenthusiastic about it, because it means making an effort to quit. And viewing ibogaine specifically as a 'cure' as many do (not necessarily speaking of you or your friends from here on) rather than an incredibly valuable tool in the toolkit we must take up if we wish to stop using will almost certainly result in failure as well. 'Cure' implies passive participation: you eat ibogaine and suddenly your problems are all gone. That's not how it works.

If however you have already made the independent decision to quit, and you truly in your heart of hearts *want* to quit, then I have no doubt that ibogaine can be a truly stupefyingly effective *treatment* (not cure). If you're just going through the motions though and you still want to use, then it's no surprise you'd relapse. In fact I'd hesitate to even call it relapse if you've had your heart set on using the whole time; instead of relapsing I'd say instead that you merely experienced a period of involuntary sobriety, relapse implying that you are upset about having broken your willpower and made a mistake by using again. If you never wanted anything other than to use, then your mindset never changed, and you're not upset about having used again. You'd be thrilled in fact.

Some people balk at the idea of taking a drug to stop using drugs, like fighting fire with fire. But humorously enough when fighting the wildfires out west in the US the teams *do* use fire to combat fire, by pre-burning with controlled burns so as to deprive the main conflagration of fuel. And likewise we use methadone or suboxone to quit using heroin, so ibogaine is actually an improvement over methadone or subs should one's mind be unable to otherwise wrap itself around the idea of drugs to stop using drugs, because ibogaine is a one-time thing, perhaps with booster doses some weeks later, instead of a daily regimen of opiate receptor agonists/antagonists.

Ultimately nobody can sober you up other than *you*. If you choose to use ibogaine in the course of seeking sobriety, then you will probably be successful to some extent or another. If you don't really have dedication to the cause, then I don't doubt that you'll return shortly to using the warm fuzzy pleasure.

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Slightly more on the original topic, I expect that it isn't heard about much simply because it is hard to find. It's also a heavy duty trip, and should be performed with a sitter. Since it takes several days it'd be difficult for those with jobs or families or both to find the time even if it were freely available. And while we all surely espouse the 'always use a sitter' thing for any trip (actually I don't recall ever having suggested that, but I could be wrong), I expect the vast majority of us are only accompanied by other people when they are in fact tripping too. I doubt many of us practice what we preach in regards to a sitter in other words.

But with ibogaine, it really *is* imperative to have a sitter should your trip be one of the very rare occasions where medical problems arise. So not only would you have to find the time, you'd have to somehow coordinate schedules with another seriously experienced psychonaut (any less than seriously experienced and I don't think you ought to be fucking with ibogaine) so that you have a capable sitter. Then there are the material and special requirements: a calm, likely dark room, windows blacked if necessary, with food and water close at hand should the need arise, near as possible to a bathroom, where you can be comfortable and won't be disturbed, and this all has to last for several days just in case your disorientation does last that full period of time.

I mentioned that the sitter should be there in case you're one of the very rare cases where medical issues come up, but I think that psychological issues coming up may be the much more likely danger. Additionally, those potential medical issues are very real, even if they are very, very uncommon. So not that many people will knowingly use such a potentially dangerous substance for recreational purposes, emphasis on 'knowingly', NBOMes being considered dangerous at improper doses (and indeed most ibogaine medical issues are from improperly calibrated doses) in my mind, but with most people either remaining ignorant of the potential or dismissing it as unrealistic with the NBOMes. That may be possible with such a shallow, worthless class of drugs (for me personally, since I get no mindfuck at all) but ibogaine will not let you disregard its seriousness so easily.

In short, I just don't think that it is a practical thing to trip on for most people, and for those that are suitable for ibogaine (not necessarily addicts such as myself) it is inordinately expensive and is not to be engaged in lightly, limiting its 'recreational' potential. And I don't care how much somebody wants to go on about the healing qualities of deep personal introspection on ordinary psychedelics: that is a perfectly valid thing to do, and something that I myself engage in, but introspection should not be held up as 'the reason' to trip because there's *always* a recreational aspect to psychedelic use, so lets be honest with ourselves about that. Ibogaine doesn't fit so well with that recreational concept.

Even if I were not a heroin addict trying to get up the courage to quit I would still want to experience ibogaine at least once in my lifetime. An experience this unique should not be missed or passed up willingly – provided that you have the mental fortitude to withstand it and are eminently confident in your ability to navigate psychedelic headspaces – but by the same token should not be engaged in lightly either.
 
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No,not at all. I think in Gabon they are known to eat up to 30mg/kg worth of ibogaine (several grams worth). I've taken 17mg/kg (about 1.25grams) and I've taken 1/10th the dose and found that also psychedelic. so...no, it's weak stuff actually since you need 200mg-several grams and a lethal dosage is far, far more than these dosages.

Maybe you should go to Gabon and take part in a ceremony? I saw a guy on youtube doing that.

They don't bring up or use Ibogaine that often since it does not work. I know heroin addicts who took Ibogaine multiple times in order to get sober from heroin or other opiates and they had a desire to quit heroin or opiates. They said how it just made them trip and then they eventually relapsed and started using opiates again. I have no idea about the tolerance issue but they knew that since they hadn't used the dope or other opiates in awhile when they used to use them multiple times a day that they had no tolerance at all so I guess they just started out with a very low dose and then slowly developed a tolerance.
 
I totally agree that ibogaine is a truly miraculous substance (hate the word drug) but it should only be used in clinical environments. As with anything I am positive it can be beneficial to some what I have heard is it is just a weird way to sleep through the worst of the detoxing.

As with quitting any drug removing the addiction without changing the environment only works for so long. I have been off suboxone for 2 and a half years now not much of it was fun but just remember: everything in moderation including abstinence.
 
They don't bring up or use Ibogaine that often since it does not work. I know heroin addicts who took Ibogaine multiple times in order to get sober from heroin or other opiates and they had a desire to quit heroin or opiates. They said how it just made them trip and then they eventually relapsed and started using opiates again. I have no idea about the tolerance issue but they knew that since they hadn't used the dope or other opiates in awhile when they used to use them multiple times a day that they had no tolerance at all so I guess they just started out with a very low dose and then slowly developed a tolerance.

Deinonychus's post already anticipates many of your claims, yet you've done nothing to address it. ... I believe I've seen you making similar insitstant claims elsewhere. What are your motivations, really? If it's truth, or any degree of hope, certainly you can do better than the anecdotes of failures.
 
Maybe you should go to Gabon and take part in a ceremony? I saw a guy on youtube doing that.

They don't bring up or use Ibogaine that often since it does not work. I know heroin addicts who took Ibogaine multiple times in order to get sober from heroin or other opiates and they had a desire to quit heroin or opiates. They said how it just made them trip and then they eventually relapsed and started using opiates again. I have no idea about the tolerance issue but they knew that since they hadn't used the dope or other opiates in awhile when they used to use them multiple times a day that they had no tolerance at all so I guess they just started out with a very low dose and then slowly developed a tolerance.

man it seems like you are talking negative things and kinda rejecting something you know anything about ;)
 
man it seems like you are talking negative things and kinda rejecting something you know anything about ;)

One thing that is true, ibogaine is a hot button topic. People like Drunkard's Dream who have no clue about ibogaine (and have never taken it but they always know 'addicts' who have failed with it. And they are usually the ones making tall claims and fail to understand that a person who relapses weeks later is a person relapsing. It is not the fault of ibogaine. Anyway, it's hard for me not to post back but the other ibogaine thread here has tons of research links I provided. No need to beat a dead horse.

Oh and I do have a trip to Gabon planned in the coming 10 years...you wanna go too?
 
It was introduced, then made illegal.

It's sometimes effective for treating addiction... but if the person relapses, they die.


I remember something about people being advised to have liver function tests before ingesting ibogaine - apparently it's possible to not have sufficient ( or any ) of the enzymes required for dealing with it for some people.


http://www.myeboga.org/safety.html


If you click the link & then scroll down a short way you'll find the relevant heading & can read a concise explanation about it.
 
Just chiming in, successful ibogaine treatee - clean of dope since Nov '10. Have taken opiates, but solemnly vowed never again to cop a habit, and haven't. It works if you really forgive yourself and don't want to be on a drug. I came into a dope addiction via a spouse and a shitty situation, never was an intention of mine. For someone who has had surgical stuff, and an unwanted habit, it would work great. Thing is, it's a psychedelic, and a dead honest one at that. If you love heroin, or you use it to escape ritual molestation then not only are you going to have your security ripped away, you're also going to be left with what's underneath... if this reality is that you're a boring, self centered shitbag - i can see relapse without aftercare as an almost certainty, especially if you're stuck into the same situations. Ex. I used it recently to try to quit smoking. My reply from the root was that i was being a stupid white man, not using it for something i really wanted to change and that i like being woody allen neurotic whilst chain smoking cigarettes, that is was going to kill me, but that i truly enjoyed it. Heroin i never wanted, iboga left me heroin free and still chain smokin. just my .02
 
Just had the wierdest talk in a bar with a guy who talked about using ibogaine recreationally. He also mentioned that it helped him with his cocaine habit but followed that up by asking me if I had any. As with all drugs I pray someone will find some benefit from it but I don't think it should be used by 20 somethings with 'depression' and a drug habit.

(Sorry if this feels a little drug culture-y just a weird coincidence someone was talking about it while this thread was on my mind)
 
There is another user on this forum who maintains his (hard) drug habits with Iboga microdosing. He claims that it helps him remain stable and centered (not crashing as hard, I guess) from his excursions from sobriety, and that this helps him with his job, which is in the entertainment business and demands that he be emotionally "on" (high, in his mind) all the time.

To each his own, I guess. I think it's playing it a little dangerous, and is probably disrespectful to the plant, but I'd say if it works, it works. Whatever bloats your goat.
 
You know in Gabon people eat iboga 'recreationally' all the time. Check out the videos on youtube you will not only see little kids chewing small amounts of rootbark and leaves but even parrots! Iboga is a powerful psychoactive but is not psychedelic until you take a psychedelic amount. It is a tonic, stimulant, and probably 'smart drug' of sorts in small amounts. Also remember ibogaine was sold in France for 20, 30 years as a stimulant and tonic. I know people have died on ibogaine but alcohol is FAR more toxic and deadly than ibogaine. Ya'll are acting like it is rat poison.
 
i believe i may have been the user mentioned with the microdosing regime. Let me say, iboga is very forgiving. but after a while, and after trying to half-assedly use a smaller dose to detox nicotine i was left with an experience where the plant was most certainly like "come back, but not til you've sorted out your life problems, i have helped YOU enough for the moment, thanks" so ive been dealing with shit on my own. pretty much have, cept a tiny kratom habit, but 3- 4g krat a day hardly seems crazy...
 

Purdue pharmaceuticals

Well until now they have held the Oxycodone patent it just went up now though so we are going to start seeing generics soon ( all extended release so no one get there hopes up :( )

I would imagine they lobby against all Iboga extracts and any possibility of them hitting the market. Come up with lame ass excuses on why it should be illegal.

Trust me, big pharma does NOT want to see Ibogaine in the USA.
 
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