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Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

georgewc2001 said:
^Yea, but don't you think alcohol has the same potential (i'd say worse)? And, you can't tell me it doesn't appeal to young people.

Also, how many people die each year from drunk driving accidents?

And alcohol is legal...it's bs...all about bucks
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I leave the bar succesfully everynight, never see a wreck but leaving a club or rave theres always multiple people do wreck on alcohol alot yes but i just notice it more w/ mdma although its used less. Like said before if as many people used mdma as alc there'd be more known problems w/ mdma.
 
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Exactly socal some of these people aren't using there heads, alcohol is legal meaning the ratio of people using it comparing to mdma is not even near close. Many of them mixing things they shouldn't with alcohol like there medication causing CNS depression and all of that. I mean i know it is extremely hard to OD off clean mdma but your body can tolerate so much more alcohol in a small amount of time than it can mdma. If mdma was legal there would be so many people uneducated about it royally fucking their brains up using it every week end like they do alcohol. Even though people are uneducated about alcohol it is a much safer alternative to be taking on a more regular basis.
 
missing old pills said:
Never see a wreck at the bar?
You should come to England mate.
Also why should this be two conversations?
Shedule 1- No medical use what so ever
Class A- As dangerous as heroin and coke
Alcohol and Tobacco- no classification
Come on for fuck sake!
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^Exactly...LOL...don't know what bars you're hanging out at socalthizzn, but I see a wreck at almost every bar I go to here in NYC.

As for raves, yea, I'm sure you see some shit, but raves don't involve JUST MDMA...IME, most of the "wrecks" I see at raves are related to other substances (i.e. ketamin, ghb, speed, lsd, dirty ecstasy, ALCOHOL, etc.)
 
And another thing, a few years ago in England the top drug for trouble in our communities which is of course alcohol, the police said they couldn't cope.
The answer- 24 hour drinking.
Now we've got even more problems.
I can even call a number and it will be delivered to my door at any time of the day.
Now that's real harm reduction from the government at work.
Or is it more tax. You decide
 
These are Australian as I am unfamiliar with UK law/culture etc but I am sure the stats are not too far apart. I do recall reading that Australia had the highest percentage of ecstasy use worldwide but cannot find a source for that.

For people aged 14 and over:
Used alcohol in the last 12 months: 84%
Daily drinkers: 8.9%
Weekly: 41.2%
Less than weekly: 33.5%

For people aged 14 and over:
Ecstasy use ever: 8%
In the last 12 months: 3.4%

Taken from Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2004 report on drug/alcohol usage trends

These are from 2004 but I am not sure that it would have changed dramatically. This is just to illustrate you cannot compare these two drugs as equals and going from those statistics it is not any surprise that alcohol is the major problem when almost everyone uses it at least sometimes, and nearly 9% use it daily. If we had 9% of the population using MDMA daily for long periods please do not tell me that would not cause harm to the individuals. We do not have this occurring and thus we cannot simply compare death rates between the two drugs and then conclude that alcohol is more harmful and based on that, MDMA should become legal. I personally would like MDMA to be legalised, but the alcohol comparisons serve no use in the debate. If you say MDMA should be legal because of alcohol, you will likely get the response that by that logic alcohol should ALSO be illegal. This is my personal wishes aside as you have to be realistic about the drugs harms if you are to seriously consider giving people greater access to it, which I personally would like to see in time when it is clearly thought out how to go about it.
 
Alchol addiction is one of the nastiest things you can do. Youll get to a point where you need the drink to survive if you go without youll die. That couldnt really ever happen with MDMA as many have said the addiction is almost self curing as its not physical but mainly mental and once you lose the magic and effects of X your mind wont crave it.
 
I'm not compairing. I'm just trying to show what a sham the whole fucked up system is.
People using substances that could change their life!
People using substances that made them happy!
People having their own minds not caught up in this rat race where greed and fucking people over is the key.
Not turning a blind eye to hunger and poverty in the world.
Giving a shit about the state of Earths Eco system.
Now why would any close minded greedy govenment would want it's people doing that.
Let the little people drink and smoke themselves to death. Just think of all those lovely taxes.
And bonus! We won't have to pay them a pension when they die early.
And when they are alive if they find alcohol and tobacco not enough just send em to the doctors who will have a whole host of nasty chemicals at his disposal that will dumb the bastards down.
Wake up people, it's your kids next!
 
^Exactly

The comparison between alcohol and mdma is relavant because alcohol is legal and mdma is not.

In terms of time to be served, you're better off getting caught molesting a child than getting caught with large quantities of mdma...WTF!!!!???
 
Yea bro, I've unfortunately experienced the worst of it first hand...was at the mercy of New York's Rockefellar Laws. They've since been repealed, but we've still got a long way to go.

When I got arrested, I said to the officer, "What's the punishment for this?" He said, "the same as killing a cop."

I guess I woulda been better off if the powder I had were C4. It's a fucked up world.
 
uhh who cares
even if it wasnt schedule 1, you wouldnt be buying RX rolls on the street.
who cares, just dont get caught.
 
All of this "alcohol is legal why isn't MDMA" shit is pretty pointless, people use the exact same justification for Cannabis (which happens to have much less potential for harm from use) and it is completely ineffective. In case you haven't noticed, drugs are illegal. All of them. Or at least that's what governments would generally like to see, any psychoactive substance that reaches a certain "critical mass" in terms of its use is jumped on and scheduled, regardless of pretty much any other considerations. If it has a medical use it will be legal for that but still illegal to possess otherwise, because all recreational drug use is deemed to be bad and is pretty much universally illegal, at least with classical drugs.

Is this bullshit? Yes, I'm of the opinion that full legalization is the best course of action (decriminalization at the very least), as there's a funny thing about drugs - that being that most people who would use drugs would do so regardless of their legality. I use and the fact that its illegal doesn't even phase me, I have a number of friends and they think the exact same way, I really don't know anyone who wants to use but doesn't because it is illegal. Having these things illegal forces it to the black market, segregates uses from the general population and tends to cut off support for them. It throws people in prison completely ineffectually and results in the supply being 100% a black market trade. When it's the black market there is no oversight, morals can fall to the side and you end up with people getting hurt or dying. I'd go so far as to say that a very large number of deaths/injuries resulting from E use were not actually from MDMA, rather the adulterants that were in addition to/took the place of MDMA. Effectively the very laws that make it illegal to possess drugs are indirectly responsible for a large amount of the harm that is caused by drugs.

tl;dr: Drugs being illegal is a pointless endeavor that results in only harm to society, and the view that recreational use of drugs is bad is extremely dated, and is something that we as a culture really need to get past.
 
MDMA should be prescribed to those with a dim outlook on life, or those who go out and fight after getting smashed on booze. Go out and try and fight on MDMA, you can't. "Moaaaaar ecstasy, less warz"
 
Whaaaat? fighting on MDMA? Haha thats insane, I float around and just give the thumbs up to everyone and anyone. Even people giving you a dodgy look or taking the piss cause they know youre rollin'. People who fight on MDMA have anger issues.
 
dude thats way not cool , i would knock a fool out if not worse for selling drugs to 12 year olds espically tabs jesus crist,

and i agree that its more of a yonger drug scene, its relly a catch 22 to me cause if it were legaized fully it would ultamantly be safer for responsible ppl for the most part beacause pure un cut mdma is always gonna be safer than any of the millions of shit pills that flood ur streets. but thats the catch see u will always have the potital for abuse and thats y it will never get to that point in this country because look at the abuse rates of perscription pills already.

my policy if i were head of the dea would be to go after the fake pill makers first like pipe pills, meth bombs, even asprin pressed pills lol but i dont think i would be in danger of ever working for or with those frekin ppl.
 
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