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Why is more Mdma made in Canada and not usa or mexico?

hax0r said:
I have no idea how people can say Canada is an mdxx source when basically more than half the stuff here is total bunk.
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I think Canada is more famed for their Molly than Presses. If I'm correct a lot of tan mdxx comes out of Canada...
 
hax0r said:
I have no idea how people can say Canada is an mdxx source when basically more than half the stuff here is total bunk.
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People say that because the American DEA has labeled Canada as a source country for ecstasy. It's been like that for years and the DEA doesn't care if it's crap or not. It's still ecstasy to them.
 
alteknj said:
Something interesting I read recently was how Mexico overtook Burma for the 2nd spot of world opium production behind Afghanistan. In the past 3 years, heroin/opium production has risen 6-fold in Mexico. Quantity and quality is going up every year. I think EVENTUALLY maybe in 5-10 years, Mexico is going to start producing large scale white powder heroin. There are cases of Mexican white powder heroin in small quantities already. It's going to be real interesting to see how the Colombians react to that. I mean, who knows? Maybe they will just stick with producing tar but it just seems like since heroin production is exploding there they will start refining it better to produce a purer product. Powder Mexican heroin in the West and South west? Mexican powder heroin in NYC? The articles I read about the little bit they seized a year or two ago, it looked very good. Extremely pure and white, just like Burmese heroin.
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I wish heroin came with a little point of origin tag so we knew what country our dope was coming out of down to the village LOL. You ccould go visit the poppyfields and watch them feeding only the most expensive organic nutrients to them...like when you go visit the mcdonalds farm.

If all of a sudden tar started showing up around NYC and like it turned out to be fire I would fuckin try that shit. I hear tar has potential to be as good as white powdered dope right? I am surprised atleast a small amount of tar is not sold on the streets around here
 
Mexican Black Tar Heroin #3 is unpurified Heroin, while Heroin #4 (China White) is put through a production process that refines the Heroin into a much (much) purer form. So it's extremely unlikely that "Mexican Black Tar' will ever be more potent then Heroin #4. I have a buddy out West in California who can only get "Mexican Black Tar" and he tried Heroin #4 from Chicago and he said Chicago's "H" blew his "Black Tar" out of the water.

Though I've heard of other refinement processes that makes Raw - Brown Heroin (technically Heroin #4) that's found a lot in Chicago's Westside. Throughout all the years I've been going out "West", I've never had an opportunity to purchase Mexican Black Tar.

I use to purchase uncut "Raw" and "China White" pretty often and I was always forced to "cut it" myself because it was way to strong (and pure) to use solely. It was such "Fire" it was kind of scarey. lol....
 
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So heroin #4 is what we have here in NYC right..same as Chicago right? I thought it was weird chicago is such a good dope down but where does it all get smuggled in like the ports or something? I feel like thats where a LOT of the dope comes in for NYC/NJ. There are thousands of containers that get unloaded and while customs does check containers, they can only open such a small percentage of them that there's def shady shit goin down.

I wish someone would accidentally smuggle a pound of dope to my crib.

I almost feel like Chicago is better than NYC/NJ because you can get raw easily is sounds like..and thast basically like the best dope you can possibly have right? You can't get that around here unless you are HIGH up and spend a LOT. Shit gets packaged into stamp bags at a high level.. youd prob have to be purchasing a kilo or osmething to get pure over here. Or maybe I am totally wrong..
 
I don't know too much about this side of things, but I thought that tar is still #4 heroin. #3 is like what they have in Europe and it's typically got caffeine in it if I'm not mistaken

EDIT: and I'm not sure as I've never had chicago dope, but from what I've heard from many people it's not nearly as good as NJ dope. Still better than that shitty tar though
 
#4 heroin is diamorph hcl. The"hcl" tells you that the drug is in it's salt form. It can be snorted or used IV and maybe even smoked. #4 in the states is commonly called "east coast powder" and is not necessarily "china white" as dark wizard claims. In fact there is likely little to no SEA (south east Asia) dope in the US as there hasn't been any in quite some time now.

It has gone through more processing than most if it is in fact east coast powder but tar is also #4 because it is in salt form. East coast powder is just a more refined #4 than bth. That's all.

#3 heroin is commonly found in Europe and is just diamorph not in salt form or freebase. This is why junkies in the UK (for example) need to add an acid to prep their shot.

Sort of on topic would be cocaine hcl which is the common powder which you snort. When you cook cocaine hcl with baking soda you're stripping it form it's salt thus making it freebase cocaine or in that case crack.
 
MikeRWK said:
So higher the number the better?
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No, it's a outdated numbering system the DEA used to label the different types of heroin in Vietnam in the 1970's. They are:

#1-morphine base or hydrochloride- It's not really heroin yet, but it had a market in asia, and drug manufacturers like the triads or the french connection prefered to buy the less bulky morphine as opposed to opium. Still sometimes shows up in afghanistan.
#2-Heroin base- when the morphine is converted into heroin it's freebased at the end of the cook.It's usually brown. This is the kind of heroin most common in Afghanistan. Usually smoked or mixed with an acid and injected
#3-Heroin hydrochloride cut with caffeine or barbiturates- In 1920's China someone started sell red tonic pills with heroin, caffeine, quinine, strychnine and aspirin. Later they marketed these tonic pill as 'anti-opium pills' which were traditionally made out of opium ashes, which still has a lot of morphine left.Naturally the addict would stop taking opium, and take heroin instead. Someone put it into an opium pipe and found you could smoke these pills, then it spread like a wild fire.Over time the formula changed to 50% caffeine, 49% heroin, 1% strychnine. Also sometimes it's made with (pheno)barbital instead of caffeine and strychnine. It turned out that heroin forms what's called a eutectic mixture(lower melting point, like water and salt) with caffeine or barbital meaning it wouldn't burn up and it vaporized more easily.Either brown, red, or grey, it less pure than number #4 but not by much, cut's notwithstanding. Usually smoked, but can be snorted or injected. Not very common now, but was once popular in the SE Asia.
#4-heroin hydrochloride- The heroin base is dissolved, decolorized with activated carbon and is turned into the hydrochloride salt using ether, ethanol, and hydrochloric acid. This is the most common type of heroin in Burma and Colombia, though Mexico and Afghanistan also make small amounts.It can be snorted or injected.

Techically black tar is also #4, it's just not purified as much if at all. It can be smoked or injected, and it can be cut into a snortable powder.
Dark Wizard said:
Mexican Black Tar Heroin #3 is unpurified Heroin, while Heroin #4 (China White) is put through a production process that refines the Heroin into a much (much) purer form. So it's extremely unlikely that "Mexican Black Tar' will ever be more potent then Heroin #4. I have a buddy out West in California who can only get "Mexican Black Tar" and he tried Heroin #4 from Chicago and he said Chicago's "H" blew his "Black Tar" out of the water.
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Your friend must be getting some bunk shit. Believe it or not, tar can be stronger then some powder. Uncut tar's often 70%-high 80% pure, plus the impurities are active. I've heard of some who tried both, and while they liked the powder, they didn't feel it was really that much different or stronger.
 
Johnny blue said:
#3 is not heroin hcl. It's heroin base. FFS people we're on the internet right now. We have a whole forum of #3 users is eadd.
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The original #3 from burma was the hydrochloride. It seems that #3 become the name for any smokable heroin. Under the Original DEA criteria heroin base is #2. However it's often cut with caffeine also, making kind of a hybrid of the two types.
 
Is caffeine used as a cut for a specific reason?

weird...does caffeine have any effect when smoked? before you jump i dont plan to smoke it lol
 
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MikeRWK said:
Is caffeine used as a cut for a specific reason?
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Not too sure but I believe that it may make it more smokable.

THC2LSD said:
The original #3 from burma was the hydrochloride. It seems that #3 become the name for any smokable heroin. Under the Original DEA criteria heroin base is #2. However it's often cut with caffeine also, making kind of a hybrid of the two types.
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Hmm. I think you might be on to something there. I'm not sure that the UK bluelighters are entirely sure if they're getting #2 our 3 so a hybrid seems likely our maybe both. This is a though one to research though because depending on where you look you can get whatever answer suits ya.
 
MikeRWK said:
weird...does caffeine have any effect when smoked? before you jump i dont plan to smoke it lol
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The caffeine lowers the melting/boiling point of heroin and increases volatility and stablity when smoked.Meaning less burned up dope, more/larger hits. In the Netherlands they actually prescribe packets of heroin base and caffeine to hardcore addicts for smoking instead of or in addiction to methadone, since most smoke their heroin. Here's a study on it. (http://www.ccbh.nl/publicaties/Klous_et_al_Pharmaceutical_heroin_for_inhalation.pdf). Nearly all the caffeine and about half the heroin is recovered. But by the time you'd smoked enough caffeine to equal a cup of coffee the heroin would definitely overpower the caffeine.

Why did the chinese put caffeine in their heroin in the first place, I have some theories. One is many opium addicts liked to drink tea with their opium, maybe the thought they'd like it better with caffeine. Another is they were trying to replicate the opium high with heroin, but used heroin in place of morphine, quinine in place of papaverine, strychnine in place of thebaine and caffeine in place of narcotine. Also it could have to do with taoist believe in yin and yang, they mix strong and weak yang medicine(strychnine and caffeine) with strong and weak yin medicine(heroin and quinine), maybe they thought it would balance out the high.

And for the original question. I wouldn't be suprised if the mexican and chinese mob had some agreement where the mexicans would stay out of the MDMA trade and in exchange the chinese provide drug precurser or something like that.
 
Nice post, the usa is definitely the arms dealer.We canadians trade weed to you for cocaine and guns, the mexicans buy your guns, fuck every country buys your guns!

Anyone know if its true that a pund of bc bud can be traded straight up for a key of coke anywheres in the us? was watching a tv show one time that said you could do it in miami...but that was a tv show.
 
MikeRWK said:
Anyone know if its true that a pund of bc bud can be traded straight up for a key of coke anywheres in the us? was watching a tv show one time that said you could do it in miami...but that was a tv show.
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Well lbs of California outs are ranging anywhere from no prices on the east coast with ins ranging no prices (USD) so if you can find a key of coke for less than no prices you could probably trade for it, however, you will be snorting talcum powder. For reference a key of 75% ish west coast no. depending on purity east coast anywhere from no. depending on location and purity (Lower cost better purity in Florida, Higher price lower purity in NYC, and im not saying you don't have the cream all you angry NY people, but you are farther away from colombia/mexico) . Unless you have the most chronic pound this world has never seen, I don't think you are going to find someone to trade in the US. South of Mexico, there is possibility.

There's only a few rules here, but no pricing is not a hard one to follow, and if you've never noticed mods mention that there's no pricing one of the many times it comes up it's even right up top of the page on a big banner in huge letters.
 
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