Why is more Mdma made in Canada and not usa or mexico?

[apolloraver]

Not from any of the countries stated but just more curious why this is? I have read in alot of forums this is the case?

 

[snafu]

Not so much in the US because of strict scheduling on precursors.

 

[Mob Rules]

it doesnt seem like more molly is made in canada given that molly isnt in as great abundance as it used to be.

If it is made in Canada then most of it is heading to the states thats for sure. Even though Id expect the cartels to have atleast a small part in bringing in molly from the other side.

 

[THC2LSD]

It's because Canada is somewhat less crazy about controlling precursers than the US/Mexico. Plus the Asian gangs have access to large quanities of safrole.And the Canadian border is largely unguarded compared to the US/mexico border.

I don't know why Mexico isn't a bigger player in the MDMA trade, only cartel involved is the sinaola cartel, according to the dea.

 

[Tommyboy]

I don't know why Mexico isn't a bigger player in the MDMA trade, only cartel involved is the sinaola cartel, according to the dea.

Mexico seems to be big into the whole "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. This is evident in their continuous production of black tar heroin, and "brick weed." Surely that have the resources to produce powder heroin and better weed, but there is no need for them to do it because people are going to buy BTH and brick weed due to availability. Mexico also produces over 80% of the methamphetamine consumed by the US.

There isn't much of an incentive for Mexico to produce MDMA to ship to the US because they already make so much money selling these other drugs. I don't think it would be worth it for them to have chemists start or switch to producing another drug when they could just continue producing heroin and meth, and afaik, the demand for these two is great enough that production is still booming. I don't think that there's a bunch of Mexican chemists sitting around saying "I think we made enough heroin and meth for now, we could probably take a break from making it and switch to making MDMA until the US starts running low on the ice and tar." I think that the demand is still high enough for BTH and meth (due to consumption and DEA seizures) that it's production rate is steady.

Those two drugs, as well as marijuana, can easily be sold on the street, whereas MDMA has more of a different consumer base that may be out of the reach of Mexican street dealers. I don't think that many MDMA users are going to hit the streets, going into shady areas of town looking for a hit. I wouldn't imagine many young ravers would be up for stopping by [insert name of ghetto here] on their way to a rave so that they could cold cop off the street.

 

[Utahrd]

I would think the cartels would tap into brazil's safrole source. the DEA did bust some big ass MDMA operation in south/central America a few years ago.

 

[Johnny blue]

Mexico seems to be big into the whole "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. This is evident in their continuous production of black tar heroin, and "brick weed." Surely that have the resources to produce powder heroin and better weed, but there is no need for them to do it because people are going to buy BTH and brick weed due to availability. Mexico also produces over 80% of the methamphetamine consumed by the US.

I'm not so sure about that anymore. Sure people will always buy it but, lately I've been under the impression that Mexico has alot to do with powder dope and even decent bud. I think that nowadays they just keep with trends like any other decent business would. If powder is what the east coasters use then they likely won't be pushing much BTH and if BTH sell out west then why stop.

I just checked and Wiki is saying that almost half of it's profits come from MJ. Personally I'd be surprised as hell if even the majority of that was Mexican brick in this day and age.

 

[nuke]

Canada has just as strong a control on precursors as the US

The reason is probably because there are more higher paying buyers in Canada and it is cheaper to transport to the US from there

It's also probably a fundamental economic reason: Mexico will make more money producing the largest amount of cocaine, meth, pot and heroin with Canada making the most producing MDMA instead of both countries producing all products due to cost of precursors in bulk, cost of labour, costs of transport, specialization for employees, etc

 

[Folley]

Its not, at least probably.

There are no good MDMA presses around in Canada, and molly seems pretty rare up there


the majority of it is probably being made it Asia, with the rest made here in the US (Chicago, Cali...), and some from the super meth labs of Mexico

 

[MikeRWK]

By the looks of PR even canada has alot of garbage going around lately, i know here on the east coast theres junk.I dont roll anymore because im on an SNRI but the last rolls i did were 'red devils' which were somekind of RC i popped 2 and felt like id been raped by the devil. I used to sell a few years ago and always got quality clean rolls exept once i ended up with a batch of transformers and green xbox meth bombs that shined like a diamond under light.Seems like its easier to press cheap RCs than make MDMA now a days.

 

[Horrux]

Probably because lab equipment isn't controlled in Canada.

 

[Unbreakable]

Asians & lots of them in Canada ....

Lots of drugs made in Asia, which gets shipped to people in Canada because its easier than most places

 

[psyfiend]

Nobody presses mdXX in canada and it's almost everywhere. The press is used for the fake E's cut with god knows what.

 

[TerminallyNeurotic]

To the original question: I have no idea. My guess would be availability of precursors.

To the suggestion that Canada isn't a source of MDxx: The DEA seems to think a lot of U.S. MDxx is made in or going through Canada (turn to page 30 of 2011 National Drug Threat Assessment). While busts are a crude measure of anything going on in the black market, they tend to be more accurate than anecdotes about Joe Dealer telling Johnny Blow that E comes from Jack Source in XYZ. Joe Dealer in the vast majority of cases is nowhere near Jack Source.

As noted in UN's 2011 drug report...referencing European E production

Ecstasy-trafficking has – traditionally – been intraregional within Europe (as the origin of most of the ecstasy used to be Europe) and inter-regional for other regions. In recent years, the importance of Europe as a source region has clearly declined. Production has shifted to other regions, notably North America and South-East Asia. Exports from the latter regions to other regions are, however, still very limited.

aND in reference to regional E production in North America...

Ecstasy trafficking used to be inter-regional (from western Europe to North America) but has now become mainly intra-regional, with deliveries from Canada into the United States.

except where E is produced here...obviously, as us gringos no doubt consume most if not all of the E we produce... i mean why would Jack Source ship it internationally when there is demand down the road?

 

[reflekt]

molly is huuuuuuuuge around where im from oh man. as stated above i guess because of the legal differences between USA and Canada. that was always my theory.

 

[Salandrion]

Canada just passed new laws this year controlling precursors. Hence the PMMA outbreak, Hence the drought won't end any time soon unless somebody gets ballsy on the East Coast. I'm looking at you NYC.

 

[Green1]

selling mdma and selling cocaine is sort of paradoxal

I have heard of coke heads able to quit with mdma

it can definitively be used as a therapeutical tool

canada produces a lot of it, it also imports it
weed and mdma gets shipped to the us

us ships guns and cocaine north...

 

[weekend addiction]

Americans can't keep any jobs these days...

 

[alteknj]

Mexico seems to be big into the whole "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. This is evident in their continuous production of black tar heroin, and "brick weed." Surely that have the resources to produce powder heroin and better weed, but there is no need for them to do it because people are going to buy BTH and brick weed due to availability. Mexico also produces over 80% of the methamphetamine consumed by the US.

There isn't much of an incentive for Mexico to produce MDMA to ship to the US because they already make so much money selling these other drugs. I don't think it would be worth it for them to have chemists start or switch to producing another drug when they could just continue producing heroin and meth, and afaik, the demand for these two is great enough that production is still booming. I don't think that there's a bunch of Mexican chemists sitting around saying "I think we made enough heroin and meth for now, we could probably take a break from making it and switch to making MDMA until the US starts running low on the ice and tar." I think that the demand is still high enough for BTH and meth (due to consumption and DEA seizures) that it's production rate is steady.

Those two drugs, as well as marijuana, can easily be sold on the street, whereas MDMA has more of a different consumer base that may be out of the reach of Mexican street dealers. I don't think that many MDMA users are going to hit the streets, going into shady areas of town looking for a hit. I wouldn't imagine many young ravers would be up for stopping by [insert name of ghetto here] on their way to a rave so that they could cold cop off the street.

Something interesting I read recently was how Mexico overtook Burma for the 2nd spot of world opium production behind Afghanistan. In the past 3 years, heroin/opium production has risen 6-fold in Mexico. Quantity and quality is going up every year. I think EVENTUALLY maybe in 5-10 years, Mexico is going to start producing large scale white powder heroin. There are cases of Mexican white powder heroin in small quantities already. It's going to be real interesting to see how the Colombians react to that. I mean, who knows? Maybe they will just stick with producing tar but it just seems like since heroin production is exploding there they will start refining it better to produce a purer product. Powder Mexican heroin in the West and South west? Mexican powder heroin in NYC? The articles I read about the little bit they seized a year or two ago, it looked very good. Extremely pure and white, just like Burmese heroin.

 

[hax0r]

I have no idea how people can say Canada is an mdxx source when basically more than half the stuff here is total bunk.