Why is MDMA addiction so much rarer than other stimulants?

[maoriwarrior]

What's mdma and coke like?

the coke tends to negate the feeling of the MDMA in my experience... therefore I don't bother with coke

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

they compete with each other in same neurological targets, coke being dominating but delivering different and arguably lesser effect. Not worth it, except if you suddenly decide you'd rather be high on coke than molly.

 

[Observer01]

What's mdma and coke like?

It's one of those things that sounds great, but works very poorly in practice. The coke definitely messes with the MDMA high, and makes the experience inferior overall. I've tried coke during the comedown as well with the thought that it might "lift me back up", but it actually did the opposite, and increased anxiety and the severity of the comedown. I wouldn't recommend it. Keep both separate.

 

[Leprechaun]

Why is MDMA addiction so much rarer than other stimulants?

is it because it fucks you up so badly when you abuse it or that it doesn’t work well used repeatedly like meth?

There are numerous reasons.

People can and do fall into a bad relationship with MDMA when not aware of the dose and risk.

I've seen people just try to keep the high going for 12 hours... by redosing. It ends up having no to little effect.

There are biological/mechanical effects of the habituation to MA and A.

One fascinating thing you can also ask yourself during the experience is :

1. Do I want this?
2. Do I like this?

On MA and A I ask this to myself, and always seem to answer NO to 2 (Do I like this), but YES to 1 (Do I want this?)... It's bizarre.

Also, I did some research into the the mechanisms of MA/A addiction, and it has a lot to do not with a "REWARD" or "PLEASURE" pathway, but has to do with the sense of comprehension and learning. Which makes sense, because if someone punches you in the face, dopamine and adrenaline spike in the same areas that MA/A activate...

On MDMA, I generally answer YES to both questions. But the feeling of "Wanting" is never as strong as on MA/A.

I've found anecdotally there are no benefits to taking MA/A over exercise and a healthy diet... I've tried different experiments, and every time, nope, MA and A are never rewarding. Even if I want to do exercise at the gym,I notice that if I do MA or A and go for a run, I don't get the pleasurable feeling of calm after I finish my exercise session...

Anyway, end rant.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

they compete with each other in same neurological targets, coke being dominating but delivering different and arguably lesser effect. Not worth it, except if you suddenly decide you'd rather be high on coke than molly.

Listen to the man. Its Pharmacology, a potent DSRI disables MDMA. Two way.
We know already SSRIs blunt MDMA to nada. Add a potent D as well as SI to it,
there is little room left for MDMA to do but float and be metabolised.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

There are numerous reasons.

People can and do fall into a bad relationship with MDMA when not aware of the dose and risk.

I've seen people just try to keep the high going for 12 hours... by redosing. It ends up having no to little effect.

There are biological/mechanical effects of the habituation to MA and A.

One guy in the outer-circle of my friends, has/ is been addicted to everything.
With MDMA he would go on 3 day s, last day dropping 4 at a time ,
more then 1 time. Wonder what he felt, he always acted a lot.
Then would switch to Amphetamine, which cost less then a pill per gram.

So he d carry on, tweaked and on Weed. Till next Friday,
or after getting paid or doing a hussle. And repeat, and he wasn t the worst.
His finance, the Bottleneck, dealer s i knew but hardly used.
Never get high on your own supply ! They did, and very good at it.

These sold at Tekno event s, so they had excess in Drugs.
There sister still alive and had a kid, and seemed mental OK, not e-tarted ?
After devouring 100-rds of pills, no internet. No Harm-reduction yet.

My experience they sold, if they had em, shitty pills and cut Coke.
So the good pills they sold to friend s and at party s.
Only thing good, they got me 2 LSD blot s from UK on re-guest.
Which is the only time i was able to buy it.
The other 2 blotter s i got where gift s.

And their Speed was good.

 

[robbli777]

Molly dependency (or addiction) does play on my mind a lot. I've been using it for the last 4 years, the first 2 years I was maintaining the "3 month rule", then my parents died a few weeks part in mid 2023, and since then, I've been using it once around every 4 to 8 weeks, usually 150mg with the odd 50mg bump. I'm not sure if I'm doing any damage neurologically, but I get paranoid sometimes that I am, as I'm in my early 50s now.

I've never done any heavy binges and never want to, even though it's synthetic, I still want to treat it with respect and not abuse it.

 

[WellTram]

It doesn't last long, it makes your brain inflammed ( not always, but if u take too much and don't drink a lot of water + little bit of sugar, it will ).

It has bad comedowns if used excessively because MDMA, DXM, TRAMADOL are like monsters eating all serotonine u have and can produce nasty painful depression after just a few hours of heavenly good high ( u wont get that true high with pills, crystals are 1000% better). Than u can redose and be ok for a 3 hours or more or less but the comedowns is inevitable and painfull in case u redosed, took too much, used more days in a row.

U know, Meth Will produce much longer ( 5-6x longer high and it also depletes body of everything but not as MDMA. Meth is more of a noradrenaline + serotonine < dopamine. MDMA is more, much more serotonergic and less dopaminergic.
Also, pills are usually some kind od mdm-? derivative, with added DXM or something serotonergic. And +- half of MDMA pills contain meth and usually it's left enantiomer.