Why is DXM being discussed on this forum at all, let alone so often?

[MagicalOrangutan]

I tried DXM (for those of you who have no clue about psychedelics who are just perusing the net, or the like, DXM is dextromethorphan, found in robutussin and other anti-coughing medication, and massively abusing it results in significant mental altering), and it was nothing but a bizarre feeling of being brain dead.

DXM is not a psychedelic, it's a disassociative, and it's a terrible "dirty" "high" (more like a "low" than a "high", really). Do not listen to these people saying how awesome it is, it's just fucking weird and not in a good way, and definitely isn't gonna make you "trip". It makes you just feel BRAIN DEAD, which is not a "trip".

Just warning you.

 

[J.Wallace]

Dissociative are still considered a Psychedelic.

Also, why would it not be discussed? It's a drug. This is a drug and harm reduction forum.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Dissociative are still considered a Psychedelic.

Also, why would it not be discussed? It's a drug. This is a drug and harm reduction forum.

I'd discuss it in the other drugs category, and really, it did nothing but give me a brain dead feeling, which is not what I'd consider "psychedelic".

See I was one of these fools that read forums like this and all the raving about DXM, tried it, and was quite UNpleasantly surprised. I don't want that happening to more people than it has to.

 

[jookie]

I've tripped on DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and another 10+ oddball psychedelics over the years and I still found my 3rd plateau DXM trip to be quite memorable. DXM is nothing special at 2nd plateau doses, but I found it pretty amazing at higher doses. I've yet to feel braindead after any DXM trip, but the shortest I waited between trips was a month. Haven't done the damn thing in forever though.

And DXM like all other drugs affect different people differently. There are many factors involved as you probably know - setting, mood, people around you, events in the last few days, etc..

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

I've tripped on DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and another 10+ oddball psychedelics over the years and I still found my 3rd plateau DXM trip to be quite memorable. DXM is nothing special at 2nd plateau doses, but I found it pretty amazing at higher doses. I've yet to feel braindead after any DXM trip, but the shortest I waited between trips was a month. Haven't done the damn thing in forever though.

That's interesting, but I still say that DXM is just a nasty dirty terrible psychedelic at best for most people. I'd advise people to just stick with the easily obtained DMT as a psychedelic..which I will finally try here in a few days.

 

[jookie]

They're not comparable - period. I've had nothing but shit experiences with 2c's (2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-c) that made me rather reluctant to try 2c-p, 2c-b, 2c-t-2. Does that mean all 2c's are shit for everyone?

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

They're not comparable - period. I've had nothing but shit experiences with 2c's (2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-c) that made me rather reluctant to try 2c-p, 2c-b, 2c-t-2. Does that mean all 2c's are shit for everyone?

No, but then again-and this is why I'm so angry at international law which hates recreational drugs and freedom in general-how do you know you got actual 2c's? Black market shit is just that-shit. Evil people with evil selfish greedy intentions, simply sell bullshit to people to make money for themselves, the motherfuckers. I bought "shrooms" from someone once, and ate 8 freakin grams of it, and it did JACK SQUAT to me. They were obviously bullshit.

That's why I'm going with a home made DMT brew to start my psychedelic journeys.

 

[lastest]

Ketamine and its analogues are dissociatives rather than psychedelics, do you think they shouldn't be discussed here either? I haven't tried DXM but I've read lots of positive reports from people who really enjoy it. I like dissociatives, and would try DXM given the chance. Maybe I wouldn't like it like you didn't, but that doesn't make it "dirty" or objectively bad, just not to everyone's taste.

 

[jookie]

No, but then again-and this is why I'm so angry at international law which hates recreational drugs and freedom in general-how do you know you got actual 2c's? Black market shit is just that-shit. Evil people with evil selfish greedy intentions, simply sell bullshit to people to make money for themselves, the motherfuckers. I bought "shrooms" from someone once, and ate 8 freakin grams of it, and it did JACK SQUAT to me. They were obviously bullshit.

That's why I'm going with a home made DMT brew to start my psychedelic journeys.

No black market and all the 2c's I have except the 2c-b is very pure. All my friends who tried it found it nice while I sat there trying to get myself to throw up for 2 hours.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Ketamine and its analogues are dissociatives rather than psychedelics, do you think they shouldn't be discussed here either? I haven't tried DXM but I've read lots of positive reports from people who really enjoy it. I like dissociatives, and would try DXM given the chance. Maybe I wouldn't like it like you didn't, but that doesn't make it "dirty" or objectively bad, just not to everyone's taste.

yeah but if anything this forum should have a disassociatives subforum. On many threads here, people have to sortof explicitly distinguish between disassociatives and psychedelics.

And really, they should also make two separate (but collectively all-inclusive) forum categories that distinguish between drugs which can be toxic/dangerous, and those which can't, in doses that people actually tend to take. For instance, cannabis and LSD and shrooms are never really dangerous, health-wise, in doses that people actually take. DXM and LSA could be.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

No black market and all the 2c's I have except the 2c-b is very pure. All my friends who tried it found it nice while I sat there trying to get myself to throw up for 2 hours.

Well that is unfortunate, but my previous post discusses my thoughts on this in a better way, IMO.

 

[J.Wallace]

Ketamine and its analogues are dissociatives rather than psychedelics, do you think they shouldn't be discussed here either? I haven't tried DXM but I've read lots of positive reports from people who really enjoy it. I like dissociatives, and would try DXM given the chance. Maybe I wouldn't like it like you didn't, but that doesn't make it "dirty" or objectively bad, just not to everyone's taste.

One could argue that Ketamine and it's analogues can be Psychedelic. Methoxetamine, to me, can be psychedelic visually at times. No where near what a high dose of LSD would cause, but still visual non the less. Same goes for Ketamine.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Maybe you'll be unimpressed with that too? And repeat the same mistake?

I'm sure I won't be "unimpressed" by it, assuming the MAOIs I bought are legitimate..but even if so, DMT is a real psychedelic, and one that isn't "dirty" or poisonous, unlike Amanita Muscaria, DXM and LSA. I think those sorts of drugs should have a separate forum for them. It would discourage teenagers reading these forums from getting all curious about them.

 

[sekio]

And really, they should also make two separate (but collectively all-inclusive) forum categories that distinguish between drugs which can be toxic/dangerous, and those which can't, in doses that people actually tend to take. For instance, cannabis and LSD and shrooms are never really dangerous, health-wise, in doses that people actually take. DXM and LSA could be.

Dose makes the posion, buddy. You can get pretty loopy and be a general danger to yourself on mushrooms or acid, they are no more "safe" than any other psychedelic. You can die from drinking water if you are so inclined - no drug is ever "100% safe".

The reason that psychedelics are lumped in with the dissociative drugs is because there's really ony 3 or 4 dissociatives of note - PCP, DXM, Ketamine, Salvia. and analogs.
As for "Why is DXM discussed so much" - it's cheap, eaily availiable, and potent.

Basically, there's not enough demand for a dissociatives forum (The mods hear this kind of talk about making an opioid board all the time). If you don't like reading aout dissociatives and their use, don't read the threads, but there's no need to slag them with a "holier-than-thou" attitude. Some people actually like DXM and other dissociatives and find it a pleasurable experience.

Lots of people find DMT/LSD to be too intense for their liking, ut I don't see threads that regularly shit on psychedelic-users like dissociative users get.

 

[Splitz]

Here on PD we discuss psychedelics and dissociatives both, and other 'hallucinogens' besides, probably because they all distort perception so a lot of knowledge about how to keep one's sanity intact can be transferable between them. Stop bitching about it. You don't like DXM. Good for you, then ignore the threads about it.

I for one have only taken it a couple of times, but it's quite fun. I prefer other dissociatives and generally prefer 'classical' psychedelics, but it stands up well by itself.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Dose makes the posion, buddy. You can get pretty loopy and be a general danger to yourself on mushrooms or acid, they are no more "safe" than any other psychedelic. You can die from drinking water if you are so inclined - no drug is ever "100% safe".

The reason that psychedelics are lumped in with the dissociative drugs is because there's really ony 3 or 4 dissociatives of note - PCP, DXM, Ketamine, Salvia. and analogs.
As for "Why is DXM discussed so much" - it's cheap, eaily availiable, and potent.

Basically, there's not enough demand for a dissociatives forum (The mods hear this kind of talk about making an opioid board all the time). If you don't like reading aout dissociatives and their use, don't read the threads, but there's no need to slag them with a "holier-than-thou" attitude. Some people actually like DXM and other dissociatives and find it a pleasurable experience.

Lots of people find DMT/LSD to be too intense for their liking, ut I don't see threads that regularly shit on psychedelic-users like dissociative users get.

But some drugs are simply (such as Amanita Muscaria and DXM) much more poisonous than others, such as LSD-25 and DMT. I know the distinctions between these things can be arbitrary to *some* extent, but I think common sense can be used to verify that there is a categorical difference between DMT/LSD and Muscaria/DXM/PCP/Ketamine/Salvia. They are not really the "same category".

At the very least, there should be a sticky thread which warns against the *commonly reported negative side effects* of various *commonly discussed* drugs, and that's not due to a holier than thou attitude, it's just that..well..it's all in good safety.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Here on PD we discuss psychedelics and dissociatives both, and other 'hallucinogens' besides, probably because they all distort perception so a lot of knowledge about how to keep one's sanity intact can be transferable between them. Stop bitching about it. You don't like DXM. Good for you, then ignore the threads about it.

I for one have only taken it a couple of times, but it's quite fun. I prefer other dissociatives and generally prefer 'classical' psychedelics, but it stands up well by itself.

I just don't see how they are really "psychedelics"..this forum is full of people with real psychedelic experience I see, but I don't think those drugs should be included on here. I dislike that people such as myself read these forums and rarely see warnings about the negative side effects that they do cause.

 

[jookie]

LSD and DMT are both psychedelics but they have vastly different subjective effects. 2C's are also psychedelic, but I don't think most would say they are psychedelic in the same way LSD or mushrooms are. They have a different flavor to them. Similarly DXM is a psychedelic. I don't know if it's you not taking a high enough dose, but DXM is 100% psychedelic. Definitely not like DMT or LSD or any 2c, but still a psychedelic. Salvia is unlike Ketamine or LSD, but it's considered a psychedelic (and a dissociative in many circles). How "toxic" you perceive a chemical does not change it from being a psychedelic. A drug being a psychedelic is not meant to hold a good or bad connotation - it's just a very broad label for drugs that affect cognition and perception. It's very evident to me that you consider psychedelics as drugs that are benign to you. Many topic discussed in this subforum deal with personal experiences. Why is it surprising that they don't report negative effects? Maybe they just didn't get those negative effects. You should always be doing research with more sources. Trip reports and the such are just one aspect of that research.

I mean would it just be better to make subforums of Tryptamines, Phenylethylamines, ergolines for the 'typical psychedelics'? It's just not necessary really.

And it really bugs me how you define those drugs as poisonous. They are relatively safe at normal doses. Nausea doesn't make a drug poisonous. You can prepare amanitas properly. You can eliminate LSA nausea. Dosing pure DXM powder as opposed to chugging cough syrup reduces many side effects. etc.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

LSD and DMT are both psychedelics but they have vastly different subjective effects. 2C's are also psychedelic, but I don't think most would say they are psychedelic in the same way LSD or mushrooms are. They have a different flavor to them. Similarly DXM is a psychedelic. I don't know if it's you not taking a high enough dose, but DXM is 100% psychedelic. Definitely not like DMT or LSD or any 2c, but still a psychedelic. Salvia is unlike Ketamine or LSD, but it's considered a psychedelic (and a dissociative in many circles). How "toxic" you perceive a chemical does not change it from being a psychedelic. A drug being a psychedelic is not meant to hold a good or bad connotation - it's just a very broad label for drugs that affect cognition and perception. It's very evident to me that you consider psychedelics as drugs that are benign to you. Many topic discussed in this subforum deal with personal experiences. Why is it surprising that they don't report negative effects? Maybe they just didn't get those negative effects. You should always be doing research with more sources. Trip reports and the such are just one aspect of that research.

I mean would it just be better to make subforums of Tryptamines, Phenylethylamines, ergolines for the 'typical psychedelics'? It's just not necessary really.

And it really bugs me how you define those drugs as poisonous. They are relatively safe at normal doses. Nausea doesn't make a drug poisonous. You can prepare amanitas properly. You can eliminate LSA nausea. Dosing pure DXM powder as opposed to chugging cough syrup reduces many side effects. etc.

But when people that are inexperienced with drugs in general read these forums, they see raves on DXM and the like, then try them and when they feel like a braindead zombie, they're disappointed..to say the absolute least. I wish they had sticky threads that glared at the reader on these forums with warnings about the commonly reported specific negative side effects of different specific drugs.

In other words, just making useless blanket statements like "drugs in general can have side effects" is not enough, in my humble opinion. There should be threads which explicitly have negative "trip reports" on specific drugs; something to warn inexperienced little teenagers who read these forums before they try something that will fuck them up or make them feel like shit.

 

[Splitz]

Well if people are serious about looking for the information, they are directed to view the guidelines, and there's an index where they can find all the main threads for each drug, where the side effects are listed on the first page.

I mean, you'd have to be an IDIOT to take a drug without first looking for information regarding side effects, which can be found easily if said information is looked for. If you take the drug without bothering to do the proper research and have a shit time or kill yourself, that's your own fault and nobody elses. Now, the format here works for anyone with half a brain. So please please please just shut up about it.