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Stimulants Why is amphetamine so good at keeping opiod wd at bay?

Hexenstahl

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I'm currently forced to use speed to prevent heroin wd until my letter is finally in my mailbox (hopefully tomorrow). Initially I planned to take only so much to not feel wd, but you know how it goes...I'm fully amped up now lol.
Can somebody tell me why amphetamine is so good at preventing opioid withdrawals? As far as I know an opioid wd is caused by the brain's system being flooded by adrenaline. Shouldn't speed make wd worse then?
I can't tell you guys how lucky I am to have found a bag of speed in my drawer by accident. I was expecting my letter to come today but it didn't and was starting to panic at the thought of withdrawal (fuck the nightmares) but luckily I found enough speed to binge for at least two days. I'll never make the mistake again to order heroin after my baggie is empty. Always gotta make sure that I have a week's supply left in case of post delays.

Oh god I really hope this doesn't turn into a fucking porn binge again. I wanna be productive now and design something in Adobe Illustrator. Gimme some suggestions bluelighters. Quick, before 72 GIF tabs get opened, because by then it won't be too late!
 
In my experience it only helps if you do stims like right before you start getting sick and going into withdrawal. Then for me it kinda delays the withdrawals or Makes you not feel it as much.
 
In my experience it only helps if you do stims like right before you start getting sick and going into withdrawal. Then for me it kinda delays the withdrawals or Makes you not feel it as much.
Strange. As soon as I took a medium dose (lol what's a medium dose with Speed?) my wds were blown away including the depression ofc. I gotta be careful with the binge though.
 
I would assume because stimulants continue to give you that dopamine kick that opioids would, just in their own special way.

Also, there can be pain relief felt through the norepinephrine, serotonin & dopamine pathways. Scientists & doctors use to think only opioid receptor activation caused analgesia, but those 3 neurotransmitter systems when modulated or activated can also provide pain relief. Speed increases all 3, more so the dopamine but I digress.

Methamphetamine definitely gives me pain relief. At least for the first 4-6hrs or so. It's different than opioid pain relief, but it's still pain relief nonetheless.

I think both of these things at play are good at covering up a lot of the opioid withdrawal, making them less noticeable or unnoticeable altogether. But you'll have hell to pay when you crash & withdrawal at the same time.
 
Doesn't this suggest that withdrawl is at least partially psychologic? I'll admit I haven't a clue what I'm talking about, but I've always wondered the same thing that you are now wondering.

If you're not in the mood to consume adult material, would you be willing to draw something nice?
 
Doesn't this suggest that withdrawl is at least partially psychologic? I'll admit I haven't a clue what I'm talking about, but I've always wondered the same thing that you are now wondering.

If you're not in the mood to consume adult material, would you be willing to draw something nice?
No definitely not. The last time I cold turkeyed (against my will, because both my street dealer had been busted AND my internet connection was down for like 3 days because the stupid telecom company thought it would be a great idea to built fiberoptics into our building during winter) I was vomiting, diarrheing, and writhing on the ground all at the same time due to abdominal pain that felt like somebody put a mixer into my intestines, and much more. The freezing is bad too. It's a kind of inner cold that you cannot rid by bathing in hot water. Even in the desert you feel its icy grips on you. It's definitely not psychosomatic and has neurochemical causes. The problem with opioids is that they are anti-adrenergic and when you suddenly stop taking them, your brain floods your system with adrenaline and noradrenaline, but in all the wrong receptors which cause the wd symptoms. It's not like the doctors thought in the past where they speculated that the wd is caused by a lack of endorphins since the brain expects to receive them through regular intake of opioids. It has all to do with adrenaline production being continuously low.

Now, the mental portion of the wd (which I find the worst honestly), that is anything from the panic attacks, depression, avolition to the ultra-realistic, degenerate nightmares might be indeed caused or exacerbated by the psyche of the person. It's funny when outsiders read the symptoms of opioid withdrawal because it sounds like a bad case of flu mixed with some fever, because you can't accurately describe to outsiders how such a wd truly feels like. The first time I woke up in my bed with wds, y'know experiencing them the first time and all, I thought to myself what the actual FUCK is going on with me. I never knew what anxiety truly feels like until I went through that withdrawal. I was literally panicked about anything at that moment. I was afraid of every sound, felt very thin skinned and had panic attacks to the point were it almost became psychotic and I was close to calling the psychiatric emergency line as I felt that I was close to losing my sanity. The physical shit was nothing compared to what was going on in my mind. If somebody had given me a loaded gun at that point I guarantee you I would have killed myself. I think the only thing that prevented me from screaming for help in my room back when I was still living with my parents was that I didn't want to scare them, much less letting them know that I was a heroin user. I have no idea how I went through those 48h without going insane but I managed it, and from then on I swore to myself to never cold turkey again. Taper off, yes, use Lyrica yes, use speed, yes, but going down to zero? I'll never do that ever again. It was traumatizing to me. I think the fact that it hits you during night and punches you out of your sleep makes it even worse, because your mind is still halfway in the subconsciousness and fear feels much more intense during that time. This is why we often go under the blanket after waking up from a nightmare, but laugh at the content later during the day when our counscious mind has already taken over.

Methamphetamine definitely gives me pain relief. At least for the first 4-6hrs or so. It's different than opioid pain relief, but it's still pain relief nonetheless.
Hey DI88, I always like to hear your input :)
I never touched meth. I think americans think of meth when they hear speed, but I was talking of amphetamine sulphate. I tried all drugs, but for some reason I never wanted to touch meth and crack. Meth because it just lasts too damn long. I'm already starting to hallucinate after 48h or so, and on meth you're awake for days I have heard. With amp sulphate I can take a line, it lasts 6h and when I want more I can snort another line. But with meth you can't sleep even after the high is long over. You're still in this cold and gross wired state.
Well, and with crack...I think that's obvious: I've never seen dopefiends sell ridiculous shit that nobody wants like a "hot water knob", but crackheads do it and that shows me how much more powerful a crack addiction is. Strangely though I have my cocaine habit perfectly under control.

Lol I just realized that I managed to answer you guys, which means that I haven't been sucked into the dark vortex of porn binging. I actually hate porn you know. There are some studies that show how porn not only destroys relationships but can actually cause and promote depression. Well, that counts for regular porn consumption, but I only watch porn when high as fuck on stims...and have also weird kinks and fetishes that I don't have when sober. Amps are a weird drug. Also, I feel bad for porn actors because they are often coerced into this dirty industry. I feel bad for supporting it, even if it's just when I'm on stims. That's why I am always ridden by feelings of guilt when I come down.


But let's forget all this for now. I'm currently thinking about whether I should spend this night being creative on Adobe Illustrator or delving deeper into the mysteries of sacred geometry...or waste time on Bitchute watching conspiracy videos. The latter however might not be such a good idea after 24h of wakefulness because it might put me into a paranoid state like last time. I wrote about this incident here: https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/what-drugs-did-you-do-on-christmas.744638/page-14#post-15732222
My post there might read funny but it felt like a nightmare when I was psychotic.
Hmmm, I think I have nothing to say anymore...for now lol.
 
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I also just wanted to say that I'd be extremely relieved when my heroin arrives tomorrow. The feeling of replacing the cold, sweaty, wired feeling of speed the following day with a good dose of heroin is divine. The way the stiff neck and the whole body tenseness is just washed away by that opiate warmth is absolutely amazing. It's like springing into one of those icelanding hot springs. If not, then I have to either take benzos to be able to sleep (only when wd isn't bad enough) or continue the speed binge for another day and hopefully then it arrives. Speed is only cool for like 24h. Anything beyond that turns into a psychomaniacal trip where literally everybody can see that you're on some serious shit.
 
Well amphs potentate analgesic effects of opiates by some overlaying mechanisms. I find most drugs dosed in high enough dose at least somewhat elevate WDs of most other drugs (and in a lifelong polydrug use I had experienced it more than once). I wouldn’t use speed for opiod WD but than K, really high dose of benzos and downers in general can make it manageable or make WDs totally vanish if they are not severe. Hell I even met people claiming acid is good for WDs, and while I’m not keen to tripping during WDs, no reason to not believe it doesn’t work for them and no reason not to believe ego death dose of acid wouldn’t work for me too..
 
Yeah we Americans have meth. lol
It's definitely much stronger than your average amphetamine.
Last time I did adderall, I mostly just got a mood lift & some motivation to work on music.
But if I do meth, you can count on me being a sex maniac for several days. lol
Amphetamine still hits all the same neurotransmitters as meth though, especially in higher & more recreational doses.


I have to agree with G_Chem about TAAR1 agonism too.
 
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Now I just gotta wait until the stims wear off at 10pm since I just snorted a line lol (didn't expect it to arrive today for some reason but it did). Ahh the warmth will be magnificent when I'm crashing down with this cold wired feeling and the typical opioid feel then washes over me. Makes me feel like I didn't even binge on stims or made it through the night. I have such a love-hate relationship with opis.

It's definitely much stronger than your average amphetamine.
Last time I did adderall, I mostly just got a mood lift & some motivation to work on music.

Meth is the fentanyl of amphetamines and one of the reasons why I will never touch it. It ruins "normal" amps like racemat amphetamine or dextroamphetamine.

But if I do meth, you can count on me being a sex maniac for several days. lol
Let's not forget the music that bumps on infinite loop while watching porn or having sex. Before I did amps the first time 9 years ago I never understood why my neighbors always fucked through the whole night with a certain type of music (a kind of percussion techno genre) on infinite loop. Since I have taken speed myself I absolutely understand how those people felt. This shit makes you animalistic (sometimes to a point where it becomes questionable). I only have sex on cocaine though because amps dry me out and the sweat just has this disgusting chemical smell. That's why I always opt for porn when on speed even though I always regret it afterwards. I miss the first few times when I used speed and didn't feel horny at all. I had to discover that side of the drug. The hornyness kind of ruins everything because I could do so many productive things. Even though masturbating on speed feels godly.
Another cool side effect of speed binging is that for some reason the sleep deprivation really enhances the way I hear music. I just listened to "From the cradle to enslave" by Cradle of Filth and oh my god...the nuances you hear out of those tracks when sleep deprived turns the music into another experience. Not sure if I'm the only one who perceives music like that. That's actually the part of speed use that I like the most. It's the next day when you do everything in slowmo because you're so exhausted, and then you turn on one of your favorite tracks and you're like "hey cool, I never heard that backvocalist whispering before while the lead vocalist sings. It's a nice addition to the atmosphere. The lyrics are genius too...damn these guys have created a one of a kind song...holy fuck this is actually an unknown masterpiece that should be sent with a rocket to outer space!"
When after a speed session I'm sleep deprived af, I really just sit there and appreciate the 6 to 15 min. songs instead of just skipping to the best parts of a track and then off to the next. It just sounds so differently. With weed it's different. I actually hate weed for various reasons which I have once explained in this forum I think. But the thing with weed is that it makes songs sound...weird. At a certain dose it even makes the songs that are actually good sound ridiculous. It was kinda fun as a gateway drug, but once I tried other drugs it quickly became my most hated drug right after alcohol. I especially hate this ridiculous and infantile 420 subculture.

@G_Chem
thanks for the TAAR1 info.
 
I wouldn’t use speed for opiod WD
Dude it's made for it! I didn't feel shit from the heroin wd. Normally I should be right at the peak now but I really don't feel anything except the stims in my system :cool:

Hell I even met people claiming acid is good for WDs
Sounds like an absolute nightmare. Acid is for me, like weed an enhancer. I once smoked some indica strain while in mild wds and it was absolutely horrible. The body pain became much worse.
 
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Ugh, send me some of that heroin!!!!!! lol :cry:
If we lived in close proximity I'd share a few lines with ya. I was nodding yesterday, complete with dry mouth and itchiness all over the body from two 3cm lines.

Here is a little advice for americans on this board: please order from european dealers on darknet marketplaces (if someone here doesn't know how to buy Monero/BTC and needs help navigating the DN, then please send me a PM and I'll help you guys and gals with every step. Of course only if the moderators here allow it.) who accept worldwide shipping because our heroin here is really completely fent-free. It's depressing how many of you people are dying every year because of fentanyl and that is why I repeat it here on BL so often that you guys should really buy actual afghan heroin from europe. If you can, order from german dealers because they are known to ship fast. Oh and another thing: my experience shows that price unfortunately doesn't equal quality. I sometimes received mediocre heroin for 50€/g and sometimes mindblowing heroin for only 30€/g, so go for the cheap ones. You'll get real heroin with euphoria and long legs. Boycott your US dealers. Stop playing russian roulette with your lives please. If some of you have given up on life because you have issues of self-worth, then please do it at least for the sake of your family and friends. You might not believe it, but there is always at least one person out there that cares about you. And also, I am here for anybody who just wants to talk about their problems and needs advice or just solace. I might not be available all the time (I sometimes take entire days off the internet) but I promise you to reply.
Have a nice day/night everyone, wherever you are :group hug:
 
If we lived in close proximity I'd share a few lines with ya. I was nodding yesterday, complete with dry mouth and itchiness all over the body from two 3cm lines.

Here is a little advice for americans on this board: please order from european dealers on darknet marketplaces (if someone here doesn't know how to buy Monero/BTC and needs help navigating the DN, then please send me a PM and I'll help you guys and gals with every step. Of course only if the moderators here allow it.) who accept worldwide shipping because our heroin here is really completely fent-free. It's depressing how many of you people are dying every year because of fentanyl and that is why I repeat it here on BL so often that you guys should really buy actual afghan heroin from europe. If you can, order from german dealers because they are known to ship fast. Oh and another thing: my experience shows that price unfortunately doesn't equal quality. I sometimes received mediocre heroin for 50€/g and sometimes mindblowing heroin for only 30€/g, so go for the cheap ones. You'll get real heroin with euphoria and long legs. Boycott your US dealers. Stop playing russian roulette with your lives please. If some of you have given up on life because you have issues of self-worth, then please do it at least for the sake of your family and friends. You might not believe it, but there is always at least one person out there that cares about you. And also, I am here for anybody who just wants to talk about their problems and needs advice or just solace. I might not be available all the time (I sometimes take entire days off the internet) but I promise you to reply.
Have a nice day/night everyone, wherever you are :group hug:
I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the darknet & bitcoin & all that.
I'm not even sure if I could afford to buy bitcoins. And even if I could, I'm not even sure how I'd do it. lol
I dunno why, but I got left behind when it came to all that stuff. I guess I'm just not very tech savvy anymore.
Otherwise I'd be ordering shit too.

I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)

I'm not even sure if real brown exists in the US anymore.
My old heroin dealer went to prison in 2019 & I've had shit luck finding anything ever since.

Hell I don't even think I'll have any weed on my birthday next Wednesday. I've been pretty bummed & disappointed. Not only cause I'm another year older but because I won't even get to really enjoy it the way I want to. And it's almost a symbolic representation of what my life has become. Can never enjoy anything I want to do anymore. Life's become perpetually retarded for me. Same shit day after day, just barely even tolerating even existing.
 
Dextro-Amphetamine significantly increases the analgesic properties of Morphine Sulphate…..the U.S. Military medical community discovered through extensive controlled testing during the Second World War

D-amphetamine
Morphine
Ketamine

The ULTIMATE battlefield lifesaving painkiller for serious combat injuries, blown off limbs, hyper velocity rifle projectiles, thermo bardic pressure / internal organ trauma, 3rd degree burns requiring skin grafts, etc

They have auto-injector pens loaded with a solution containing all three drugs, like an epi pen, IM/SC injection (5min onset) I.V. injection would be the best, but when you’re loosing blood so rapidly you’ll pass out in 15 seconds…..applying a turneket stopping the blood loss it #1 ……then an auto-injection into the thigh/leg, shit anywhere
 
….just go to a Methadone clinic and have doc reduce dose by a single mg daily, in 2-3 months you’ll be opioid free (in theory) add a little Dexedrine / Ritalin / Cocaine / Methamphetamine in a low therapeutic dose if you must with you’re daily low doses Methadone
 
In my experience it only helps if you do stims like right before you start getting sick and going into withdrawal. Then for me it kinda delays the withdrawals or Makes you not feel it as much.
I had the same experience when I was coming off heavy use. The w/d still occurred and inbetween bags of go was probably the worst wd I’ve experienced

It helps me bc im not craving it nearly as strong and helps with the sluggish feelings hits. I began methamphetamine for this exact reason (help with physical withdrawal) and now have a stronger dependence to ice. Which I’m good with honestly but just a warning to op if you’re looking to break addiction I’d go with a sub instead and ween down
 
I'm not even sure if I could afford to buy bitcoins. And even if I could, I'm not even sure how I'd do it. lol

Bitcoin is just a form of currency, you're basically just exchanging USD for BTC. You can buy any amount of Bitcoin, 1 cent or $100,000. $10 of BTC is like 0.0003 BTC, lol, but you don't have to buy it in whole bitcoins. In fact only wealthy people can afford to buy whole bitcoins.

There is a learning curve, but it's pretty easy, you just have to spend a little time learning to understand the whole process. You can buy Bitcoin through many payment apps, like Cash App, these days.
 
Bitcoin is just a form of currency, you're basically just exchanging USD for BTC. You can buy any amount of Bitcoin, 1 cent or $100,000. $10 of BTC is like 0.0003 BTC, lol, but you don't have to buy it in whole bitcoins. In fact only wealthy people can afford to buy whole bitcoins.

There is a learning curve, but it's pretty easy, you just have to spend a little time learning to understand the whole process. You can buy Bitcoin through many payment apps, like Cash App, these days.
True.
I'm lucky if i can afford weed for the month though, so it'd probably take me years to save up for 1 bag of heroin or something anyway.

I miss the good old days when people would just trade shit instead. lol I give you my drugs & you give me some of yours. lol
I'm sure people still do this somewhere, but I lost all my friends & connections & meeting new people isn't as easy once you're in your 30's I guess.
Especially other opioid users (who aren't pieces of shit I mean).

I could easily find speed if I wanted, but I've always preferred the brown.
 
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