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Why hasn't meth taken off in the UK?

If its so easy to syntheziese, why is it so expensive?

For example in Germany was meth quit common used and abused in WW2, but after the war it changed. Meth was outlawed, because it was demed too harmful. As a alternative there were speed pills prescribed with less strong ingredients (see Captagon etc.). These pills were easy to get and people abused them, too. One just had to go to doctor, complain about weight and would receive some diet pills that contained amph type uppers. When there prescription was limited in the late 60s/early 70s, the demand still existed and an illegal market was created.

You could also ask the other way around: Why did the asians never had anything else then meth?
The japanese invented it, made it popular in the region and nobody ever started looking for something else. As far as i know, they legaly sold meth pills in japan till the 50s. After making it illegal they never introdruced a legal alternative, like they did in europe.

Maybe that is part of the reason, but i honestly dont know it. History can be strange and irrational sometimes. Also it cant fully explain why by now meth hasn't taken off.
 
Being a witness to a petty home synth, meth seems incredibly easy to make and it seems the only issues that arise is crackdowns on pseudo ephedrine. it's also not expensive at all around here, maybe in midwest-deep south? Cali has some of the cheapest and most abundant meth supplies around. Speed paste may seem cheaper but when the average gram is only between 10-30% speed is it really?

Meth is fairly potent, stronger, and lasts longer than amphetamine so price is obviously gonna be higher but when you look at the big picture, it's not really more expensive at all... If I were to go up to a meth user and offer to sell them shitty (or even pharmaceutical) quality amphetamine they would laugh in my face and go buy some meth, regardless how much I illusion the price difference.

From what i read and heard meth works best, if smoked.
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Meth "works best" when injected, but can also be snorted, eaten, and plugged very effectively. Though the latter two aren't very common, quite a few prefer to snort or slam their meth rather than smoke it. Since perusing the boards, I learned that a good sum of people from the UK will stick nearly anything up their nose, regardless of any positive or negative benefit... so ROA is a poor excuse.
 
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CaptainKratom said:
Being a witness to a petty home synth, meth seems incredibly easy to make and it seems the only issues that arise is crackdowns on pseudo ephedrine. it's also not expensive at all around here, maybe in midwest-deep south? Cali has some of the cheapest and most abundant meth supplies around. Speed paste may seem cheaper but when the average gram is only between 10-30% speed is it really?

Meth is fairly potent, stronger, and lasts longer than amphetamine so price is obviously gonna be higher but when you look at the big picture, it's not really more expensive at all... If I were to go up to a meth user and offer to sell them shitty (or even pharmaceutical) quality amphetamine they would laugh in my face and go buy some meth, regardless how much I illusion the price difference.


Meth "works best" when injected, but can also be snorted, eaten, and plugged very effectively. Though the latter two aren't very common, quite a few prefer to snort or slam their meth rather than smoke it. Since perusing the boards, I learned that a good sum of people from the UK will stick nearly anything up their nose, regardless of any positive or negative benefit... so ROA is a poor excuse.
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I wouldn't necessarily say meth is easy to make. Meth labs blow up all the time lol
 
rujex said:
Price is also a issue. Meth is atleast ten times more expensive then speed. Thats a big barrier to market entry.


Just a guess: From what i read and heard meth works best, if smoked. But people in Europe are not so used to smoke stims.
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You are right, price is ridiculous here in the UK. TRying to find meth is like trying to find a unicorn when you are a stright, young female.
 
dr katz said:
I wouldn't necessarily say meth is easy to make. Meth labs blow up all the time lol
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Yeah, that's because it's typically shady tweakers with little to no chemistry knowledge that are the ones making or attempting to make it 8). It's also far from rediculous to assume quite a few of them aren't high or have been high for days during the cooking process either.

What other recreational drugs do you know of that you can just cook up from scratch with the ease of methamphetamine, with products obtained from the local hardware and drug store while sometimes having NO knowledge of chemistry, just by following steps (sans krokodil).

If you could compare the amount of successful cooks to the amount of cooks that went wrong your view would likely change. Lol just take a second think about the demographic who cook up Shake n' Bake... Your in cali, home of many meth users, have you ever witnessed the process before? It honestly doesn't take as much knowledge as you would think... and the people making it aren't always the smartest cookies.
 
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paranoid android said:
I dunno it's kinda the same deal in the part of Canada i live in. Crack/coke is the number 1 drug here besides Cannabis and it's pretty socially acceptable but there is a huge stigma behind meth here. You do get some of it around (most of it seems to be the bottle made shit) but not much. It's odd that there isn't more here considering Quebec isn't exactly far away.
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In Quebec crystal meth is also rare, but meth pills are incredibly common. Do those white speed pills not make their way out to Newfoundland? I know they get distributed in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
 
JAPAN NEVER INVENTED METHAMPHETAMINE. I read not long ago that it was invented in Germany in 1880-sumthing I think what you talk about and what I always believed to, (no thatnks to the movie 'sultan sea") is that the japanese where the 1st to patent it and make a legal drug, correct me if im wrong
 
methyldreams said:
JAPAN NEVER INVENTED METHAMPHETAMINE. I read not long ago that it was invented in Germany in 1880-sumthing I think what you talk about and what I always believed to, (no thatnks to the movie 'sultan sea") is that the japanese where the 1st to patent it and make a legal drug, correct me if im wrong
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The first reference to methamphetamine I can find on the ACS database does indeed come from Japan: Constitution of ephedrine. Desoxyephedrine (1919) by A. Ogata (Erowid has an overview of the article).

A cursory online search shows most sources claiming that amphetamine was first synthesized in Germany in the 1880s and that methamphetamine was subsequently synthesized in Japan in 1919. However, it is entirely possible that methamphetamine had been synthesized earlier than this and it simply isn't showing up on the database.
 
Don't know why people say it's expensive it's cheap where i live
 
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Its already big in Germany in the areas next to the czech border. Anywhere else its rare and there is just street amph on the market. The media is crying a lot about this drug of hell and how fast its popularity is rising, but its still more a local phenomene.
 
'Why hasn't meth taken off in the UK yet?'

Maybe it will one day, but right now speed freaks have access to cheap and plentiful 'base' (cut amphetamine sulfate) there, which they are used to.
 
I'm not sure there's much of a market for it in the UK, most people don't want it, they would rather have shorter acting stims. If there was a demand for it then it'd be more widespread. I think social conditions are different to the USA & other big meth markets. PCP never really caught on here either.
 
I also miss partying with meth, having moved to Germany from the USA. I think it's not as common here as people think. I plan on visiting Prague very soon, however.
 
Personally I think it's a shitty drug.

plus everything is dirt cheap here Amp. Sulfate , MDMA , Heroin . You don't have to live a life of crime to be able to afford a habit unlike most countries.
 
I've done amphetamine sulfate here. It was nice, I suppose. But it doesn't offer me what crystal meth can (intense, euphoric, long-lasting).
 
Personal opinion from an Aussie who's travelled to London, for what it's worth...
Cocaine is readily available, cheap and high quality in London. In Australia, from my experience, it's an expensive exercise in futility. Crap quality. In comparison, Meth delivers far more bang for your buck.
 
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