RCs Why Has O-Desmethyltramadol Vanished?

[daddysgone]

hello all
Before this even begins, I just want to emphasize that this thread SHOULD NOT go in the "sourcing" direction. I do not want people to chime in with sources or advice on where this substance can still be found. I simply want a discussion/speculation as to why this particular substance seemed to pop up out of nowhere and then vanished just as quickly, not to be heard from again.

As many of you may recall, several months ago, a metabolite of tramadol called "O-desmethyltramadol", popped up on the RC scene and was available from many vendors. I did not get a chance to try this stuff, but many people I know did, and most reports were quite positive. However, after just a few months, this stuff completely vanished, and it has not popped up since.

Im just curious as to why this apparently very popular product, disappeared.
I know that there is always concern about the prospect of a RC opioid (the risks of addiction and overdose are much higher with an opioid then with something like a hallucinogen). However, the fact is that suppliers DID decide to offer it for some time, and I am really curious about what might have made them decide to no longer carry it. I suppose its possible that it is simply out of stock and they are just waiting for a new batch to be synthed, but at this point it has been many months, and I have to imagine that if they wanted to carry this product, they could have gotten their hands on some by now.

So the question remains, why would seemingly all RC vendors unanimously decide to stop selling a product that was quite popular? Any ideas?-DG

 

[islander20]

I assume all of the vendors were getting their supply from the same producer, i'll bet the producer got cold feet about producing a rc opoid.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

My guess is that it wasn't a popular seller, or there's another reason why they aren't offering it anymore, like rare (maybe non-lethal) adverse reactions.

My guess is as good as yours is.

 

[TheAzo]

The story i heard was that the supplier got scared, and backed out. I belive it was a very popular seller - when one of the first vendors that had it got a small lot of it in after discontinuing it, it sold out within hours.

Opiate RCs are alot riskier for producers than psyches and the like, because of the whole physical addiction, OD risk, and so on makes them alot more likely to attract the wrong kind of attention. I think they saw that it was, ah, too popular, and got scared.

Then again, that hasn't stopped the mephedrone producers.

 

[Drench]

This needs to make a return, we miss O-Desmethyltramadol!

 

[Kenaz]

This needs to make a return, we miss O-Desmethyltramadol!

According to some reports, one of the more popular "kratom extracts" is actually O-Desmethyltramadol sprayed over kratom leaves. (I'm going to refrain from providing the name to avoid getting dinged for sourcing, but if you UTFSE you'll find more information).

As far as getting O-Desmethyltramadol, you may have to skip the middlemen and go straight to the source. Instead of trying to find an RC supplier, you might have better luck getting a supplier to brew up a quantity and sell to you in bulk. This will, of course, require a pretty substantial investment of resources. It will also involve a pretty high risk of getting ripped off without recourse. (Being able to speak Mandarin and read Chinese script, or knowing someone who does, may help a bit).

Once you get your O-Desmethyltramadol, I'd strongly advise you to keep it to yourself. If I were an RC supplier, I wouldn't touch this stuff with a biosuit. There's a non-trivial chance of dying if you ingest a large dose -- and given that these are being purchased as "legal highs" you just know that some bonehead is going to wash down said large dose with booze and a few other substances.

 

[muvolution]

It is my understanding that O-Desmethyltramadol is the same drug that is in Nycunta, which is a schedule II drug in the United States. If it isn't the same, it is a close analog, and thus subject to prosecution for sale, distribution, or possession,

 

[Swerlz]

O-desmethyltramadol and Tapentadol are not the same thing

Tapentadol:

O-desmethyltramadol:

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^Is it close enough to be an analog? Tramadol may by unscheduled, but tapentadol is schedule II so subject to Federal Analog Act.

 

[Swerlz]

I wouldn't think so. Cause if it was tramadol would be covered by it too

 

[muvolution]

^Is it close enough to be an analog? Tramadol may by unscheduled, but tapentadol is schedule II so subject to Federal Analog Act.

It's a metabolite so I would think it would be considered an analog.

Noone is going to start selling noroxymorphone anytime soon even though it's a metabolite of OM. or MAM-6, etc...
No offense intended but i've always thought that RC's were sketchy, but that is over the line and i think you would most definitely be prosecuted for possession, let alone a distributor.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Kenaz, you're talking about krypton kratom, right? If so, its ok to mention that. There certainly is harm reduction value in knowing what you're sold as one drug is another and its documented, not just speculated.

Thanks for the responses, swerlz and muvolution.

It would seem pretty logical to me that if previously this drug wasn't subject to FAA law and IS after the release of tapentadol, it would make sense that availability would diminish like any other drug being scheduled or legal status changing.